best newcomer of 6 nations

best newcomer?

There are some cracking options there but purely for being in the pivotal position and perorming like he has it has to be Farrell.

aaaah there are three I want to choose!

Farrell, Morgan and Cuthbert. All have been so key.

Good list.
I would include a bunch of the gents you listed:
Denton, Hogg, Cuthbert, Fofana, Morgan, Farrell.

No way is he 'best' newcomer but Tuilagi had his moments.

Has to be Farrell really - pivotal role, wonderful kicking, inspired tackling and the zombie stare. All he needs to do is get the passing sorted. He did seem to kick too much but a lot of the tactical kicking was spot on.

Having said all that I'd still rather we had an on form Flood back - and there may be some good alternatives coming through - but Farrell should be there or thereabouts for a long long time.

Got to be Cuthbert for me. He's really taken his chance and surprised me, i didn't think he would fair very well but he did.

Tipuric - not his fault Warburton is on the block. Absolute class player.

Cuthbert has slotted in nicely in place of Williams. Reminds me of Ben Cohen with immense speed and step for a giant.

Still, went for Ben Morgan. He seemed to fade away in his first two starts, but yesterday he was running riot until the end. An absolute sensational find! Been massive in England's big wins.

Barritt would tackle a train
Farrell...excellent but im still concerned about him offensively.
Cuthbert has been a revelation on the wing.

But for me...

Ben morgan.

As mentioned before....his fitness has been an issue...but yesterdazy he was immense for the full game

Right, finally decided to go for Cuthbert, just because so many of his tries were absolutely crucial ones. Considering he didn't play pro rugby until september and he's already playing like this? magical story.

Morgan would have been my second choice. As a Scarlet I'm so proud of him, he had an absolute stormer yesterday and is thriving on the international stage, great to see.

I have gone for Cuthbert. All the talk was about North but i feel that Cuthbert has been nothing short of excellent and has outshone his wing partner.

North had a superb game against Ireland, and an amazing start against England but otherwise has been quiet, whether that's down to us not using him right or him being over marked, I don't know! Nor do I care as it's allowed us to bring in Cuthbert more, and boy has he shined. Both of them are v good, v young and have so SO much room to improve.

But I agree, Cuthbert's had the better tournament over all.

North was defo targetted dreamer, he was not afforded the same amount of time on the ball as Cuthbert was. The pair of them are immense but Cuthbert was the find of the 6N.

I won't mind if Wales alternate which winger they want to put into space each game, wouldn't half confuse teams as to which one to target!

It's just been a magic season for Cuthbert, like it was for Georgie last season.

Cuthbert or Farrell for me

Rennie and Denton were good, but like Parrise, they shone in a very poor team making it difficult to determine how good they are.

Of course, if we are counting positional - Halfpenny at FB.

Owens and Tips were also very good for Wales.

If the pair of them stay injury free then Wales will be in good shape for years to come

Hows the head today dreamer?

my head is fine! Stopped drinking at 8pm due to over doing it on the Fri, but what a day. Hardly needed to drink, the atmosphere in the diff alone was enough!

Still v tired though, feel emotionally drained a little bit.

It was certainly a fantastic day for you Welsh

so it was!

It's actually been a superb tournament for all the newcomers though, the young guys have been given a chance, and they've all shined. Tis brilliant.

Alex Cuthbert, great find for Wales, reminds me of a young Adrian Hadley or Maurice Richards.

Lovely score yesterday, an a few good ones previously.

I went Farrel but any of him, Morgan or Cuthbert have been great,

The ease in which Alex Cuthbert has fitted seamlessly into the Welsh team has impressed me, especially when you consider he was replacing Shane. Cuthbert for me.

I voted for cuthbert, I think he is better than North.

Cuthbert, Farrell and Denton stand out. Why split hairs.

I put Morgan but missed Cuthbert! I think he's been superb, and out-shone North

so far cuthbert 29%

farrell 27%

morgan 12%

denton 12%

I can't imagine that Farrel is getting so many votes though. How many game sdid he play?

He was solid but not impressive by any stretch of the imagination.

Tough one. I thought Rennie & Denton looked the best new finds over the first half of the 6N and I've voted for them in similar polls so far. Cuthbert has looked increasingly impressive. In the end I went for Farrell though. There's certainly more he needs to show and add to his game to become a top FH, but that he's excelled in everything that has been asked of him in such a pivotal role, which has dictated the results achieved, and at such a young age, is truly remarkable.

biltongbek wrote:I can't imagine that Farrel is getting so many votes though. How many game sdid he play?

He was solid but not impressive by any stretch of the imagination.

I think he played them all, the first couple at centre?
Anyway, for a youngster I thought he stood out. A lot to learn but a genuine find at 10 for England.

For me it's a straight 2 way fight between Cuthbert and Farell!!!

Morgan was good yesterday but Englands pack was very much in control, against bigger packs he isn't as good, he makes the odd break but doesn't do enough for long enough periods. But that will come as his fitness improves.

Denton has been a great find, as has Rennie and Fofana, but for me thay are not match winners.

Cuthbert scored 3 tries in 3 games and all were very important, I have no fear about him running in tries against weaker opposition, but scoring against teams that are defencively up there with us, and having to really beat men for each of those tries, from a fair way out is just superb.

Farell might have question marks over his distribution and offence but what he has offered England is the pleasure of a 99% kicker, who can also kick from distance, this offers a different threat to defences who have to be more carefull in their own half.

I am not choosing between the 2!

I will admit he has promise yes, but there were other newcomers far more impressive for me.

thebluesmancometh wrote:For me it's a straight 2 way fight between Cuthbert and Farell!!!

Cuthbert scored 3 tries in 3 games and all were very important, I have no fear about him running in tries against weaker opposition, but scoring against teams that are defencively up there with us, and having to really beat men for each of those tries, from a fair way out is just superb.

Farell might have question marks over his distribution and offence but what he has offered England is the pleasure of a 99% kicker, who can also kick from distance, this offers a different threat to defences who have to be more carefull in their own half.

I am not choosing between the 2!

I watched all the Six Nations games, and Cuthbert impressed me every time, I can't say I noticed Farrel do spectacular things. He did his job well, but I truly cannot remember any impressive thing he did with an offload into space, hitting a gap etc.

For me it is clear cut, cuthbert by a mile.

To be fair, in his first 5 England games he accumulated 63 points. Not bad for a 20 year old. Who would you have in his place on the list?

I'm not saying he shouldn't be on the list. He did his job well.

I just think Cuthbert was brilliant.

It's probably national bias, but Farrell just edges it for me. At FH he put England in all the right places that enabled them to get the wins, at FH & centre it was his faultless kicking that secured the wins, and then just as important there was his defensive performance and what he contributed to the new spirit of the team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDtIapCDnBE

I voted for Farrell but Cuthbert,Denton should get mentions. I thought Cuthbert was a bit overated before. Its not hard to score against 13 Scots but his try yesterday was sublime. Shut me up!

Breadvan wrote:I voted for Farrell but Cuthbert,Denton should get mentions. I thought Cuthbert was a bit overated before. Its not hard to score against 13 Scots but his try yesterday was sublime. Shut me up!

His try against Italy was equally sublime.

I agree Billtong, but sometimes I judge players on what they bring the team rather than what their individual actions were.

Farell hasn't set the world alight, but I have no doubt England would've lost 3 in a row with Hodgson at 10, I think the English pack has gone from strength to strength knowing Farells boot is a metronome, they seemed to say you kjnow what, our backs aren't world class, we'll take control and let the boot do the rest. This is like a spiral, Farells boot has worked well and put the pack into the right areas, so the pack have rewarded that with brute force, of which was rewarded with points.

I think Farell looks like a 30 year old at the helm, and for me he cannot be dropped while England are winning.

Bluesman, you may be right, but mate, I would have flourished behind that England pack yesterday, and I am a prop.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

That is part of my point though, Hodgson never instilled confidence in the pack, they played much more back foot ball, similar to what Tovey and Evans do for the Dragons, the Dragons tight 5 is awfull in terms of quality, but the half back pairing give them a lot of momentum and make them look better than they are.

It would be a shame to select 'the best'. You could definitely make a cracking XV out of all the newcomers the championship has turned up though.

thebluesmancometh wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

That is part of my point though, Hodgson never instilled confidence in the pack, they played much more back foot ball, similar to what Tovey and Evans do for the Dragons, the Dragons tight 5 is awfull in terms of quality, but the half back pairing give them a lot of momentum and make them look better than they are.

Oi Hobo, we need a sour grapes smiley for Bluesman

sour grapes Glas?

Went for Cuthbert.

Remember describing him as "George North mk2" before the 6ns, very important scores, very impressive all round and having him AND North coming inside has allowed Roberts to play as more than just a crash ball.

Morgan got stronger and stronger.

Farrell was very good at what he did, but Englands back line hasn't fired.

Denton & Rennie were good up until the Italy game.

Fofana was deadly ball in hand and picked some inspired lines, but other than the tries, i can't remember seeing a single thing he did....

Ken Owens was impressive in his chances too.

thebluesmancometh wrote:sour grapes Glas?

Yes. You lost to this apparently poor team.

Oh ye, but I wouldn't comment on that game, it hardly showed either team in a good light!!

I actually am a season ticket holder at the Dragons, I am a big fan and work with a lot of the first team. The front row is not top quality by far, and without Charteris the tight 5 is poor, Sidoli and Jones are average players right now, and Lloyd Burns is still learning the game. What top quality prop cn they feild?

I will say I know of a certain tighthead just entering the academy who will be top quality IMO!!!

Farell, purely because FH is such a pivotal position and for a 20-year old to look world-class there is quite special. Rennie and Cuthbert really impressed me too.

Farrell has done what is expected of a international player but to tag him as being world class is silly.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:Farell, purely because FH is such a pivotal position and for a 20-year old to look world-class there is quite special. Rennie and Cuthbert really impressed me too.

Mate Farrell at no point has looked World Class. He is a promising talent but he is not even in the top three in the six nations and none of them are world class.

He is a world class goal kicker though, I'll give you that.

While MadforChelsea overdoes it with his 'world class', I think you might be being a bit churlish here, Cymro and maesteg. Farrell is very young and completely new to international rugby but never has looked out of place or a complete rookie as he had a right to. In the context of where he is in his career, therefore, perhaps a bit more than just doing 'what is expected of an international player'.

Maesteg: I would agree entirely with your assessment that 'he is a promising talent', ie no more yet. But - given what might be seen as a current paucity of outstanding talent in the position in these islands - who are the other 3 current NH international No 10s behind whom Farrell would find himself in your view (surely no Scot or Italian, and the French are all over the place at 10 as well)? Or did you mean there are others not currently chosen for their country who you feel are stronger than Farrell? I'm not disputing the point, just interested in where you're coming from on this one.