The IRB rankings are a crock of you know what! ;o)

by Huwball Mon 19 Mar 2012, 11:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

Wales win the grand slam - beat everyone in front of them, yet England beat Ireland by a large score (well done on that by the way) and are above us Shocked

http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html

I realise that most people don't pay much attention to them, but surely there is something fundamentally wrong when you are lower in the rankings than a team you beat? Doh

Are England better? Me thinks not! Rolling Eyes

by **Biltong** Wed 21 Mar 2012, 8:57 am

No worries wickedwasp, most stadiums have a resemblence to a toilet bowl, but I guess the interpretation of art and design is in the eye of the beholder. Wink

by Woodstock Wed 21 Mar 2012, 8:58 am

wickedwasp wrote:Woodstock, you've got the bragging rights at the moment, no problem.

But when you insult the spiritual home of rugby........................

Never mentioned the MS zen

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 8:58 am

Woodstock wrote:
HERSH wrote:At the end of the day I don't think there is much between England and Wales, well apart from a dodgy camera angle!

and lets not forget that England have only been together for a few weeks.

But there again we won you did not and on your own cabbage patch oddly shaped like a toilet bowl

That you did just like we did last year in Cardiff, the home of the self confessed best team in the NH, shame the IRB rankings don't back that up.

by eirebilly Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:09 am

Woodstock wrote:
wickedwasp wrote:Woodstock, you've got the bragging rights at the moment, no problem.

But when you insult the spiritual home of rugby........................

Never mentioned the MS

by wickedwasp Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:11 am

Woodstock

Good comeback, made me smile Smile

by Woodstock Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:15 am

wickedwasp wrote:Woodstock

Good comeback, made me smile

Sorry I quite like 'HQ' actually, some good memories. There again I was lucky I never met the likes of Hesh et al. zen

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:18 am

I'm a little surprised that there isn't a big party being organised at the MS Bubbly

plus an open top bus parade celebrating 5th place in the IRB rankings?

by eirebilly Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:20 am

HERSH wrote:I'm a little surprised that there isn't a big party being organised at the MS plus an open top bus parade celebrating 5th place in the IRB rankings?

Hee hee, you are a scamp HERSH Wink

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:21 am

Should the Welsh team get MBE's, OBE's etc...?

by munkian Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:24 am

Well, 6000 fans turned up to cheer on the Welsh Grand Slam Champions outside the Senned the other night.

I'm shocked myself that the England squad haven't all been knighted for finally beating Ireland thumbsup

by thomh Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:26 am

We did beat them last summer of course.

by munkian Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:29 am

Lordy, its disgusting they haven't been given their own island then. The Falkland's maybe ? Hartley alone would keep they Argies fingers off it cake

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:30 am

munkian wrote:Well, 6000 fans turned up to cheer on the Welsh Grand Slam Champions outside the Senned the other night.

I'm shocked myself that the England squad haven't all been knighted for finally beating Ireland

6000 fans!

It must have felt like a Rabo game. Whistle

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:34 am

I'm sorry, my bad.

It must have felt like a sell out Rabo game Whistle

by **Biltong** Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:35 am

HERSH wrote:I'm sorry, my bad.

It must have felt like a sell out Rabo game

Buuuuuuuuuuuurn. Laugh

by wickedwasp Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:37 am

Nice Hersh laughing

by munkian Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:38 am

biltongbek wrote:
HERSH wrote:I'm sorry, my bad.

It must have felt like a sell out Rabo game

Buuuuuuuuuuuurn.

I'd rather low crowds than the fans throwing bottles at our players Whistle

by Equo Troiano Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:39 am

HERSH wrote:I'm sorry, my bad.

It must have felt like a sell out Rabo game

Two Rabo games with the crowd numbers combined you mean?

Actually, this is a good point. While Welsh international rugby basks in the glory of another GS (I know, I know, its just as inexplicable to the rest of the world as it is to us) - Welsh Regional rugby is in dire straits, poor attendances and financial woe. Surely this will have a knock-on effect for the international game in years to come - or maybe as soon as next year, when Wales will finish in their post GS year 6N position of 4th.

by **Biltong** Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:40 am

munkian wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
HERSH wrote:I'm sorry, my bad.

It must have felt like a sell out Rabo game

Buuuuuuuuuuuurn.

I'd rather low crowds than the fans throwing bottles at our players

Yeah, me too. Sad

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:46 am

munkian wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
HERSH wrote:I'm sorry, my bad.

It must have felt like a sell out Rabo game

Buuuuuuuuuuuurn.

I'd rather low crowds than the fans throwing bottles at our players

That’s the trouble with more bums on seats statistically you're going to get one or two nutters.

by **Biltong** Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:57 am

HERSH wrote:
munkian wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
HERSH wrote:I'm sorry, my bad.

It must have felt like a sell out Rabo game

Buuuuuuuuuuuurn.

I'd rather low crowds than the fans throwing bottles at our players

That’s the trouble with more bums on seats statistically you're going to get one or two nutters.

Very true, statistically for every 45 million spectators we have, there is a mad hatter. They either tackle a referee or throw bottles.

Because of our average crowds that happens once every few years.

by Woodstock Wed 21 Mar 2012, 9:58 am

Bottles thrown is small cheese when you have, players eye gouging, biting and cheating with fake blood a sad time indeed for the poor runners up. Wen was the last time england managed a grand slam???? Yeah that IRB ranking table really makes sense bwhahahahahabwhahahaha what what.

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 10:05 am

At least Wales are in the top 5, and as we all know on their day they can beat anyone!

Except NZ. and SA an AUS when played in the SH.

That’s not a bad return for a small corner of the UK.

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 10:33 am

Shhhhhhhhs.

Woodstocks sleeping. Ok!

by **Biltong** Wed 21 Mar 2012, 10:52 am

HERSH wrote:Shhhhhhhhs.

Woodstocks sleeping.

Doubt it, he is planning his assault for tomorrow. Wink

by eirebilly Wed 21 Mar 2012, 10:54 am

Just wait until View wakes up HERSH Wink

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:02 am

Woodstock wrote:Bottles thrown is small cheese when you have, players eye gouging, biting and cheating with fake blood a sad time indeed for the poor runners up. Wen was the last time england managed a grand slam???? Yeah that IRB ranking table really makes sense bwhahahahahabwhahahaha what what.

When was the last time Wales beat a SH side???????????? or even got to a final of a RWC let alone won one. England do both these things regularly..............................maybe that's why we are higher in the rankings Doh

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:12 am

I've just removed a couple of posts for personal attacks. Can we please take this rather pointless debate about the minor placings in the world rakings out of the playground.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:12 am

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:
Woodstock wrote:Bottles thrown is small cheese when you have, players eye gouging, biting and cheating with fake blood a sad time indeed for the poor runners up. Wen was the last time england managed a grand slam???? Yeah that IRB ranking table really makes sense bwhahahahahabwhahahaha what what.

When was the last time Wales beat a SH side???????????? or even got to a final of a RWC let alone won one. England do both these things regularly..............................maybe that's why we are higher in the rankings

Perhaps "occasionally" is more appropriate there Wink

by wickedwasp Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:13 am

Kiwi

Love it - "minor placings" laughing

by damngoodOvalball Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:14 am

HERSH wrote:Should the Welsh team get MBE's, OBE's etc...?

I'm sure Adam Jones's mate boris johnson is actively canvassing the Queen and parliament on their behalf. Don't you have to actually win a RWC to get an MBE for rugby?

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:16 am

damngoodOvalball wrote:
HERSH wrote:Should the Welsh team get MBE's, OBE's etc...?

I'm sure Adam Jones's mate boris johnson is actively canvassing the Queen and parliament on their behalf. Don't you have to actually win a RWC to get an MBE for rugby?

Richie McCaw turned down a knighthood, but accepted an MNZ (MBE equivalent). The rest of the ABs missed out.

Though scoring 7 runs in an Ashes cricket series is enough for an MBE from memory Whistle

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:21 am

Wales have won a 7's WC

by damngoodOvalball Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:23 am

Kiwi, think it was 12 runs and a dropped catch. Poor old colly paid for that one with years of Aussie sledging.

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:35 am

Kiwireddevil wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:
Woodstock wrote:Bottles thrown is small cheese when you have, players eye gouging, biting and cheating with fake blood a sad time indeed for the poor runners up. Wen was the last time england managed a grand slam???? Yeah that IRB ranking table really makes sense bwhahahahahabwhahahaha what what.

When was the last time Wales beat a SH side???????????? or even got to a final of a RWC let alone won one. England do both these things regularly..............................maybe that's why we are higher in the rankings

Perhaps "occasionally" is more appropriate there

Once every 10 years would be regular, but not frequent, hence the use of "regular", although against Aus I'd argue that frequent would also apply.

Kiwi old boy, if you insist on being a pedant at least get it right thumbsup

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:37 am

Whatever happened to that nice chap Woodstock's posts?????????? laughing

by **Biltong** Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:41 am

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Whatever happened to that nice chap Woodstock's posts??????????

I think he retracted them becuase of hind sight and regret Wink

by HERSH Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:47 am

What comments were these?

I hope they weren't offensive, Woodstock always seemed like a nice level headed fella Very Happy

by A World Cup and 3 Finals Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:49 am

biltongbek wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Whatever happened to that nice chap Woodstock's posts??????????

I think he retracted them becuase of hind sight and regret

Yeah and decided to switch his allegiance to England as well...................is that a pig on its decent in to Heathrow??????????

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:54 am

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:
Kiwireddevil wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:
Woodstock wrote:Bottles thrown is small cheese when you have, players eye gouging, biting and cheating with fake blood a sad time indeed for the poor runners up. Wen was the last time england managed a grand slam???? Yeah that IRB ranking table really makes sense bwhahahahahabwhahahaha what what.

When was the last time Wales beat a SH side???????????? or even got to a final of a RWC let alone won one. England do both these things regularly..............................maybe that's why we are higher in the rankings

Perhaps "occasionally" is more appropriate there

Once every 10 years would be regular, but not frequent, hence the use of "regular", although against Aus I'd argue that frequent would also apply.

Kiwi old boy, if you insist on being a pedant at least get it right

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:57 am

A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Whatever happened to that nice chap Woodstock's posts??????????

I removed one by Equo and one by Woodstock. Both for personal attacks.

by eirebilly Wed 21 Mar 2012, 11:58 am

Kiwireddevil wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Whatever happened to that nice chap Woodstock's posts??????????

I removed one by Equo and one by Woodstock. Both for personal attacks.

oooh Portnoy will love you for this openess Wink

by **Biltong** Wed 21 Mar 2012, 12:42 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Kiwireddevil wrote:
A World Cup and 3 Finals wrote:Whatever happened to that nice chap Woodstock's posts??????????

I removed one by Equo and one by Woodstock. Both for personal attacks.

oooh Portnoy will love you for this openess

Yeah and now he will expect it from us all. Doh

Thansk Kiwi. now there is no more mystery on V2.

by Huwball Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:01 pm

HERSH wrote:
Should the Welsh team get MBE's, OBE's etc...?

Should anyone that plays a game get an order or equivalent for the country?

It appears that like so much in this country, things that are meant to differentiate us have been eroded!

Give someone a certificate for taking part (much like England losing to Wales and finishing 2nd Whistle

)

The game is just that.... a game. The fact that the players get loads of cash for it makes no difference - what service have they done for the country?

One another note.... I am quite impressed that this one thread has dragged on for so long... it's getting like a warburtons red card thread Very Happy

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 21 Mar 2012, 1:03 pm

Well in this case Wales have done the country a diservice, they contiorbuted to losses for the majority of the population.

Have them strung up for high treason :P

by english warrior Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:38 pm

If Wales were to lose all their games coming up in the summer( Snigger, chortle and guffaw) Wink

, where could they end up in the rankings? which i know will be more managable for them and their fans, as a lot are suffering from vertigo and nose bleeds now they are up to the dizzying heights of 5th!! Yahoo

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:43 pm

english warrior wrote:If Wales were to lose all their games coming up in the summer( Snigger, chortle and guffaw) , where could they end up in the rankings? which i know will be more managable for them and their fans, as a lot are suffering from vertigo and nose bleeds now they are up to the dizzying heights of 5th!!

Yeah WUM it up kid, if they lose all their games and England do too then Wales wil be ranked above them, quite possibly in 4th Doh

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:44 pm

english warrior wrote:If Wales were to lose all their games coming up in the summer( Snigger, chortle and guffaw) , where could they end up in the rankings? which i know will be more managable for them and their fans, as a lot are suffering from vertigo and nose bleeds now they are up to the dizzying heights of 5th!!

It sort of depends on other results EW. England are likely to lose all 3 to South Africa, so if Wales lose 3-0 the two teams will drop about the same amount. If Ireland manage to turn their form around and pinch a match in NZ they'll skyrocket up, but I think the important series rankings wise is Argentina vs France - either side could make a move.

by eirebilly Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:49 pm

Since Ireland are the lowest ranked of the lot, they stand a better chance of moving up in the rankings Very Happy

Just need to win the series in NZ 1-2, that should'nt be too hard should it? Whistle

by english warrior Wed 21 Mar 2012, 2:49 pm

Kiwiredevil-

'If Ireland manage to turn their form around and pinch a match in NZ'

Que, eh?? what? If they manage to pinch a game in NZ? Look, did you see Ireland at the weekend, they couldn't pinch a game if it was stolen to order, Dear, dear me, do you have any knowledge of what you administrate?

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