The IRB rankings are a crock of you know what! ;o)

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Wales win the grand slam - beat everyone in front of them, yet England beat Ireland by a large score (well done on that by the way) and are above us

http://www.irb.com/rankings/index.html

I realise that most people don't pay much attention to them, but surely there is something fundamentally wrong when you are lower in the rankings than a team you beat?

Are England better? Me thinks not!

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Woodstock wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Woodstock wrote:Why do they ned to take the positions after just 12 months? They could do it 2 or 3 years in and then make the draw! There would be hardly no logistical problems with this!! Gives a few other teams a bit of a chance to move up as well i,e, Scotland. Also where is the fairness in this if teams such as Samoa, Fiji etc do not get a fair crack home and away to make bigger progress up the rankings?? Totally weighted in favour ofthe big boys I'd say.

Because they have logistical problems with the small unions

Also the likes of fiji and Samoa have a fair crack to move up, its just you dont have a clue how the rankings work. The reason they dont is that the only top 10 team they ever beat is Wales and they cant even manage that any more. The points they would gain with the 1 in 10 games they can win against top level opposition get sucked back up when they keep losing. The same as the points any of the 6Ns get for the once in a blue moon wins over Sanzars, long term they stay ranked below them...because they arent as good. If anything playing very occassional games gives you a better chance of a freak result overanking you for a long period...look at Tonga.

I am quite sure that has england played Samoain the WC 2011 they would have certainly lost. They still do NOT get the opportunties the big boys get and if you think they do kindly list all the games played in Fiji, Samoa and the othe PI nationsover the last ,,,,, oh 10 years,

You didnt read anything I wrote did you? Stop being so angry all the time and start trying to learn something rather than just reacting with WAAAALLLLLLLEEEESSSSS to everything.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now peter don't have a hissy there old chappy me laddy. I read what you wrote and it really never answered my worries, but I never thought it would dear chap.

I am Welsh don't you know bwhahahaha not Sais so of course one will react with Cymru.

Try not to getinto the realms of trying to guess someone's emotions on the internet, very difficult to get right old chap.

Still your opinions are vitally important to us and we await your next gem old boy.

Tea? and have some ckae too there there.

If you don't like the IRB rankings, don't start a thread to draw attention to them. It will only upset you and your compatriots.

So England are still the best team in the NH, why are people surprised?

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Woodstock wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Woodstock wrote:Why do they ned to take the positions after just 12 months? They could do it 2 or 3 years in and then make the draw! There would be hardly no logistical problems with this!! Gives a few other teams a bit of a chance to move up as well i,e, Scotland. Also where is the fairness in this if teams such as Samoa, Fiji etc do not get a fair crack home and away to make bigger progress up the rankings?? Totally weighted in favour ofthe big boys I'd say.

Because they have logistical problems with the small unions

Also the likes of fiji and Samoa have a fair crack to move up, its just you dont have a clue how the rankings work. The reason they dont is that the only top 10 team they ever beat is Wales and they cant even manage that any more. The points they would gain with the 1 in 10 games they can win against top level opposition get sucked back up when they keep losing. The same as the points any of the 6Ns get for the once in a blue moon wins over Sanzars, long term they stay ranked below them...because they arent as good. If anything playing very occassional games gives you a better chance of a freak result overanking you for a long period...look at Tonga.

I am quite sure that has england played Samoain the WC 2011 they would have certainly lost. They still do NOT get the opportunties the big boys get and if you think they do kindly list all the games played in Fiji, Samoa and the othe PI nationsover the last ,,,,, oh 10 years,

You didnt read anything I wrote did you? Stop being so angry all the time and start trying to learn something rather than just reacting with WAAAALLLLLLLEEEESSSSS to everything.

haha spot on!

HERSH wrote:So England are still the best team in the NH, why are people surprised?

Now, where did I leave my whip?

[quote="biltongbek"]

HERSH wrote:So England are still the best team in the NH, why are people surprised?

Maybe because Wales have beaten them in the last 2 games home and away - Just a maybe

But Wales can't beat SH opposition!

and they have only won 2 of the last 4 against England.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:Personally I don't care about the rankings. All I care about it the score on
the board at the end of the match.

Pity youre a scotland fan then

That made me cry until I remembered I'm half Welsh as well

mckay1402 wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:Personally I don't care about the rankings. All I care about it the score on
the board at the end of the match.

Pity youre a scotland fan then

That made me cry until I remembered I'm half Welsh as well

You're doubly afflicted then aren't you? Poor chap.

I think you mean trebly afflicted mate

Woodstock wrote:When coaches current and past as well as players NEVER check these silly stats you know they are pants.

I would not worry about them, as I have already posted to have england drawn as 1st tier and Wales 2nd tier in the world cup only favours one team WALES, beaten them home and away on the trot now. You will see the silly ones telling us that the TESTs before the WC were friendlys...FRIENDLY TESTs yeah right.

I would just sit back and let the english fester in knowing they are 2nd best in the NH, it will gall them for 12 months hahaha

Not what the rankings say

No a Welshman saying Wales are better than England is a far truer reflection on the facts than an unbiased ranking system employed by the IRB.............NOT

I expect the IRB will soon change the rankings to the system which Plaid Cymru, the Western Mail, and a handful of Welsh 606 posters use. This includes almost victories (Welsh defeats by less than 30 points), and only acknowledges Englands results if they have lost, hence the table;

1st Wales 180 pts
2nd NZ 91.43
3rd Aus 89.99
etc
1000th Eng 0.00

Finally the world will see what they know to be true

I'm proud of the fact that the English don't celebrate being the 4th best team in the world?

Yet I feel we should make more of the fact that we are the Best ranked NH team.

The IRB rankings will remain biased until Wales climb above England.
Then the rankings will become the golden epitome of international rugby wisdom. Although that could be a while. Come back here late summer anyway.

HERSH wrote:But Wales can't beat SH opposition!

and they have only won 2 of the last 4 against England.

For SH opposition I'd read Australia and Argentina-as England haven't beaten either SA or NZ since 2006...

Which still isn't half bad if you compare it to the Welsh record against any SH that isn't Argentina.

who wants to join my team? The united states of lost rugby causes

We'll go right into the rankings at 73rd in the world!

Anyone who can say they are in the top 100 in the world is doing pretty well in my book!

That's the sort of thing you'd only hear from a Jock these days.... hang on.

I don't care what the rankings say, Wales have beaten England in the last 2 games played, Ireland in the last 3, Scotland and Italy in the last 5, and France in the last 1. Were the best in the northern Hemisphere, regardless of what the rankings say.

Well the easiest way to make the IRB rankings not look bizarre in places is simply to win as many tests as possible from now on, starting with Australia.

Yeah they are rank to be honest. If only they took into consideration the appalling coaching then Ireland and Scotland would be in the top 4

Billy, don't forget the refereeing howlers you've suffered with - Top 3 mate

Oh, no boys, you ain' taking our number 3 spot, we had to deal with PDV for four years, that alone should have given us the top spot.

RubyGuby wrote:Billy, don't forget the refereeing howlers you've suffered with - Top 3 mate

Top 3 is a dead cert, we always beat those pesky Saffers

eirebilly wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Billy, don't forget the refereeing howlers you've suffered with - Top 3 mate

Top 3 is a dead cert, we always beat those pesky Saffers

Oh, OK

Well guys there certainly seems to be a lot of mileage in the rankings nonsense

It will be interesting to see the championship this year to see if Argentinas' IRB ranking over the last decade has been overly inflated by their serious lack of games!

Personally, I would like to see the rankings zeroed (exudling the top 4 ) and then start all over again for the top 20? - I think below this and it would be pretty futile, although Wales could play Barbados, The Bahamas, Columbia etc, a couple of times.... If only to give us 0.31 points

biltongbek wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Billy, don't forget the refereeing howlers you've suffered with - Top 3 mate

Top 3 is a dead cert, we always beat those pesky Saffers

Oh, OK

You know its true biltong, we are the saffers nemisis

eirebilly wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Billy, don't forget the refereeing howlers you've suffered with - Top 3 mate

Top 3 is a dead cert, we always beat those pesky Saffers

Oh, OK

You know its true biltong, we are the saffers nemisis

Yeah mate we are waiting in anticipation, by the end of this year you haven't been to our shores for almost a decade,

biltongbek wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Billy, don't forget the refereeing howlers you've suffered with - Top 3 mate

Top 3 is a dead cert, we always beat those pesky Saffers

Oh, OK

You know its true biltong, we are the saffers nemisis

Yeah mate we are waiting in anticipation, by the end of this year you haven't been to our shores for almost a decade,

When you can put together a side that will be competitive against Ireland then we may pop on over to see what you have, Until then its a waste of time really

eirebilly wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

eirebilly wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Billy, don't forget the refereeing howlers you've suffered with - Top 3 mate

Top 3 is a dead cert, we always beat those pesky Saffers

Oh, OK

You know its true biltong, we are the saffers nemisis

Yeah mate we are waiting in anticipation, by the end of this year you haven't been to our shores for almost a decade,

When you can put together a side that will be competitive against Ireland then we may pop on over to see what you have, Until then its a waste of time really

We'll take good care of em for you Biltong...warm the coals for them while they're here so to speak...

You coming out Billy?

Taylorman wrote:

We'll take good care of em for you Biltong...warm the coals for them while they're here so to speak...

You coming out Billy?

There is a very big chance that i will be in NZ for a week around that time Taylorman

Ireland are going to get 1 win against the AB's this year

I don't see why people get so hung up about it. It's mathematics. It doesn't actually mean England are better than Wales. Jeez be happy with the win

Exactly, its not supposed to be a league table or a list of who had the best team last weekend.

Stop whinging so much, the system works the same for everyone, yet it always seems to be the welsh that get hard done by it? Hmmm....

Celebrate your victory and grand slam, stop being sad and jealous about the rankings. Be happy people.

Some look at the rankings I just look at the results.
Knowledgeable rugby fans know who the best teams are.

Cymroglan wrote:Some look at the rankings I just look at the results.
Knowledgeable rugby fans know who the best teams are.

That's pretty much the truth cymro.

Taylorman wrote:We'll take good care of em for you Biltong...warm the coals for them while they're here so to speak...

Taylorman, while they are there do me a favour and ask them when they are coming to fetch them a decent hiding in the darkest africa.

Can we get a banging a head against the brick wall smiley please?
The rankings are not there to show who the best team at this point in time is. If you were looking at them for that you were looking in the wrong place anyway

When Wales actually beat a SH side then, and only then will they move up to the heady heights of 4th, but Wales are a see saw side who can't really get their act together when it comes to taking on the 'Big three'.

Also, Wales have lost a lot of games prior to the World cup and actually during it, and this is why they are where they belong. Below England!!

At the end of the day I don't think there is much between England and Wales, well apart from a dodgy camera angle!

and lets not forget that England have only been together for a few weeks.

english warrior wrote:When Wales actually beat a SH side then, and only then will they move up to the heady heights of 4th, but Wales are a see saw side who can't really get their act together when it comes to taking on the 'Big three'.

Also, Wales have lost a lot of games prior to the World cup and actually during it, and this is why they are where they belong. Below England!!

Yeh I agree, we were outclassed by France in the previous 6N, lost at home to England and then lost again to them away. We did beat England in the reverse warm up but lost to SA first game and then ultimately lost to France and Australia. But things are different now. England have done well, like Wales at the world cup they too have only been together for a few weeks. I think this Welsh side should now be judged from what they do from the summer tour down under through to the 6N next year.

We would have played Australia 4 times, NZ, Argentina and Samoa all once, only then can we see how close Wales genuinely are to being a outright top 4 side. I for one am hoping for just the one test win in Australia realistically speaking, but its not out of the question for a 2-1 series win. Away from home is never easy especially out there, but one test will do me fine as it will show we are capable of not only beating a SH side, but beating a SH away from home. I would then hope to beat the Aussies, Argies and Samoans at home then who knows if we can overcome the NZ hoodoo on us. England will be judged in a similar way with their summer tour to SA and the AI. Then we will see where the two sides are and what they have the possibility to achieve in the future.

biltongbek wrote:Well the secret to the world rankings is really not to lose, eh?

No mate - that's the old fashioned Saffa rugby

The secret is to Win

nganboy wrote:

biltongbek wrote:Well the secret to the world rankings is really not to lose, eh?

No mate - that's the old fashioned Saffa rugby

The secret is to Win

touche mate. Hopefully Meyer will change all that.

biltongbek wrote:

Taylorman wrote:We'll take good care of em for you Biltong...warm the coals for them while they're here so to speak...

Taylorman, while they are there do me a favour and ask them when they are coming to fetch them a decent hiding in the darkest africa.

Just admit it biltong, you are bricking it. A visit from Ireland would send you flying down the rankings. When will you stop ducking us

eirebilly wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Taylorman wrote:We'll take good care of em for you Biltong...warm the coals for them while they're here so to speak...

Taylorman, while they are there do me a favour and ask them when they are coming to fetch them a decent hiding in the darkest africa.

Just admit it biltong, you are bricking it. A visit from Ireland would send you flying down the rankings. When will you stop ducking us

We got nowhere to go mate, we have alreay infiltrated Europe with players that qualified for "other nations" just to make "other" stadiums our home ground in order to know what it feels like to play Ireland at "home"

Nothing more than money grabbers biltong

Sure if i would'nt love Ireland to play a series in SA though, that would be grand

eirebilly wrote:Nothing more than money grabbers biltong

Sure if i would'nt love Ireland to play a series in SA though, that would be grand a grand spanking for our boys

Fixed that for you mate.

biltongbek wrote:

eirebilly wrote:Nothing more than money grabbers biltong

Sure if i would'nt love Ireland to play a series in SA though, that would be grand a grand spanking for our boys

Fixed that for you mate.

Yep, your boys would get spanked, thanks for fixing that

HERSH wrote:At the end of the day I don't think there is much between England and Wales, well apart from a dodgy camera angle!

and lets not forget that England have only been together for a few weeks.

But there again we won you did not and on your own cabbage patch oddly shaped like a toilet bowl

Woodstock, you've got the bragging rights at the moment, no problem.

But when you insult the spiritual home of rugby........................