Justice_4_Hartley.

Running Dragon wrote:It's weird but I'm not sure who has come out of this looking worse, Hartley or Ferris. For the committee to reduce the punishment from the minimum allowed seems very odd and points the finger at Ferris who is rapidly gaining a reputation as a cry baby. I'd ban both of them!

biltongbek wrote:“It’s unfortunate for Dylan as he was in good form during the Six Nations and he has developed as a player and as a leader,” said England forwards coach Graham Rowntree, who also attended the hearing. “However, we are looking forward to him being available for South Africa.”

although you may not beleive this, but at my son's school if you are caught doing anything untoward you are banned from playing rugby.

munkian wrote:Or sent home for some 'English' players

Carpe Diem wrote:A bit like playing at Twickers for some of yours eh Munk?

HERSH wrote:I agree with wickedwasp, running to the Ref pointing at his finger just reminded me of a school game.

Carpe Diem wrote:A bit like playing at Twickers for some of yours eh Munk?

GeordieFalcon wrote:As longs as he's available for the SA tour. We are horrifically short at Hooker!

ulster_on_the_up wrote:I would much prefer my player to carry on the with the teams best interest in mind than swanning around the pitch half distracted trying to manufacture a position from which he could extract revenge to the detriment of the team. Remember the difference between the olden' days and us playing for our clubs at the weekend, is professionalism. Better to clear your head knowing it is going to be dealt with off the pitch than distract yourself on it.

HERSH wrote:
Can't a Modern rugby play bide their time or think of two things at once?

SecretFly wrote:

HERSH wrote:
Can't a Modern rugby play bide their time or think of two things at once?

Obviously Hartley is still reassuringly old-school on that one. Play rugby and have a snack at the same time. Quality player with ye olde values

ulster_on_the_up wrote:

HERSH wrote:I agree with wickedwasp, running to the Ref pointing at his finger just reminded me of a school game.

Too right, big cry baby.
I can't stand it when people draw attention to the breaking of laws. These men are role models and this kind of behaviour will only further encourage the squealers in society to continue to report crime. I for one would be happier if these 'cry babies' brought an end to this and i could live in a place with zero 'official' crime rates while vigilantes roam the streets doling out their own brand of justice.

Or maybe Fez did the sensible thing - made the referee away of foul play so it could be dealt with by the correct authorities, and then got on with the game

SecretFly wrote:"Any of yous lose an energy bar from your pockitses??? Coz, if not, I'll be 'aving it to try to get this big Irish twit from off of me"

Yeah...yeah - could be, biltong. I wonder did he use that in mitigation?

ulster_on_the_up wrote:I agree that it should be mentioned to the captain so he can bring it up with the ref, however i don't think that by by-passing him that 1F deserves the berating he is getting.
I certainly wouldn't label the big man a cry baby, not within earshot anyway, he might justifiably tell me ma then i'd be in real trouble.

Triangulation wrote:

ulster_on_the_up wrote:I agree that it should be mentioned to the captain so he can bring it up with the ref, however i don't think that by by-passing him that 1F deserves the berating he is getting.
I certainly wouldn't label the big man a cry baby, not within earshot anyway, he might justifiably tell me ma then i'd be in real trouble.

Hartley has a self earned reputation as a volatile, dirty player.

As a result of that reputation people such as Gatland attempt to wind him up pre match.

Players on field inevitably will try to wind him up on field to get a response. Think Moore vs France

I strongly suspect Ferris was deliberately trying to get a reaction by face massaging or fish hooking Hartley. When he got the desired result but not in eyesight of the ref he immediately reported it. The fact that DOC also ran to the ref suggests it was premeditated.

WHat the hell is Ferris doing in the video anyway? He is lying down on his side next to the ruck but not really part of it, not legally anyway, with his right arm in the thick of it and his hand in very close proximity to Hartley's face.

The spotlight turns to Ferris now.

Bigtime.

I cant wait for the written reasons.

IF true this is a really shamefull episode from Ireland

MrsP wrote:Quote from this mornings press.


"It is understood nothing which emerged in the proceedings suggested any actions on the part of Ferris were a mitigating factor. The Ulsterman, 26, who gave evidence via video link, is not thought to have done anything which could be construed as provocation. "

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2121111/Dylan-Hartley-lands-week-ban-biting-Stephen-Ferris.html#ixzz1qOnIWY1Q

Triangulation wrote:

ulster_on_the_up wrote:I agree that it should be mentioned to the captain so he can bring it up with the ref, however i don't think that by by-passing him that 1F deserves the berating he is getting.
I certainly wouldn't label the big man a cry baby, not within earshot anyway, he might justifiably tell me ma then i'd be in real trouble.

Hartley has a self earned reputation as a volatile, dirty player.

As a result of that reputation people such as Gatland attempt to wind him up pre match.

Players on field inevitably will try to wind him up on field to get a response. Think Moore vs France

I strongly suspect Ferris was deliberately trying to get a reaction by face massaging or fish hooking Hartley. When he got the desired result but not in eyesight of the ref he immediately reported it. The fact that DOC also ran to the ref suggests it was premeditated.

IF true this is a really shamefull episode from Ireland

Carpe Diem wrote:You know we talked about the concept of 'a line' Bilt and how it probably shouldn't be crossed...

wickedwasp wrote:Biting is against the rules. Hartley bit. He's guilty and stupid and deserves a ban.

Ferris was totally within his rights to report it to the ref.

Just doesn't seem right to those like me who grew up with the idea you settled it on the field.

And yes, I do know the game's moved on & it's professional now & reporting to the ref was probably the clever thing to do.

But, I don't have to like it......................

geoff998rugby wrote:

Triangulation wrote:

ulster_on_the_up wrote:I agree that it should be mentioned to the captain so he can bring it up with the ref, however i don't think that by by-passing him that 1F deserves the berating he is getting.
I certainly wouldn't label the big man a cry baby, not within earshot anyway, he might justifiably tell me ma then i'd be in real trouble.

Hartley has a self earned reputation as a volatile, dirty player.

As a result of that reputation people such as Gatland attempt to wind him up pre match.

Players on field inevitably will try to wind him up on field to get a response. Think Moore vs France

I strongly suspect Ferris was deliberately trying to get a reaction by face massaging or fish hooking Hartley. When he got the desired result but not in eyesight of the ref he immediately reported it. The fact that DOC also ran to the ref suggests it was premeditated.

IF true this is a really shamefull episode from Ireland

Then again a post like this which is totally hypothetical conjecture, with no basis in fact, can be ignored as so much hot air.

wickedwasp wrote:Biting is against the rules. Hartley bit. He's guilty and stupid and deserves a ban.

Ferris was totally within his rights to report it to the ref.

Just doesn't seem right to those like me who grew up with the idea you settled it on the field.

And yes, I do know the game's moved on & it's professional now & reporting to the ref was probably the clever thing to do.

But, I don't have to like it......................

Triangulation wrote:Partiucularly after trying to drag Hartley out of the ruck by his face!!!!!

Triangulation wrote:

wickedwasp wrote:Biting is against the rules. Hartley bit. He's guilty and stupid and deserves a ban.

Ferris was totally within his rights to report it to the ref.

Just doesn't seem right to those like me who grew up with the idea you settled it on the field.

And yes, I do know the game's moved on & it's professional now & reporting to the ref was probably the clever thing to do.

But, I don't have to like it......................

Partiucularly after trying to drag Hartley out of the ruck by his face!!!!!

Triangulation wrote:

ulster_on_the_up wrote:I agree that it should be mentioned to the captain so he can bring it up with the ref, however i don't think that by by-passing him that 1F deserves the berating he is getting.
I certainly wouldn't label the big man a cry baby, not within earshot anyway, he might justifiably tell me ma then i'd be in real trouble.

Hartley has a self earned reputation as a volatile, dirty player.

As a result of that reputation people such as Gatland attempt to wind him up pre match.

Players on field inevitably will try to wind him up on field to get a response. Think Moore vs France

I strongly suspect Ferris was deliberately trying to get a reaction by face massaging or fish hooking Hartley. When he got the desired result but not in eyesight of the ref he immediately reported it. The fact that DOC also ran to the ref suggests it was premeditated.

IF true this is a really shamefull episode from Ireland

ulster_on_the_up wrote:

Triangulation wrote:

wickedwasp wrote:Biting is against the rules. Hartley bit. He's guilty and stupid and deserves a ban.

Ferris was totally within his rights to report it to the ref.

Just doesn't seem right to those like me who grew up with the idea you settled it on the field.

And yes, I do know the game's moved on & it's professional now & reporting to the ref was probably the clever thing to do.

But, I don't have to like it......................

Partiucularly after trying to drag Hartley out of the ruck by his face!!!!!

Incidentally if you watch the video you will see that Ferris grabs Hartley around chest level (underneath his arms), not by his face, not that that would justify biting.

Triangulation wrote:

ulster_on_the_up wrote:I agree that it should be mentioned to the captain so he can bring it up with the ref, however i don't think that by by-passing him that 1F deserves the berating he is getting.
I certainly wouldn't label the big man a cry baby, not within earshot anyway, he might justifiably tell me ma then i'd be in real trouble.

Hartley has a self earned reputation as a volatile, dirty player.

As a result of that reputation people such as Gatland attempt to wind him up pre match.

Players on field inevitably will try to wind him up on field to get a response. Think Moore vs France

I strongly suspect Ferris was deliberately trying to get a reaction by face massaging or fish hooking Hartley. When he got the desired result but not in eyesight of the ref he immediately reported it. The fact that DOC also ran to the ref suggests it was premeditated.

IF true this is a really shamefull episode from Ireland

while we are making speculations is it equally not possible that Hartley was attempting to provoke Fez into a reaction by biting him and this was in fact Hartleys motivation

ulster_on_the_up wrote:

while we are making speculations is it equally not possible that Hartley was attempting to provoke Fez into a reaction by biting him and this was in fact Hartleys motivation

ulster_on_the_up wrote:'Dylan Fart-ley'

Triangulation wrote:

wickedwasp wrote:Biting is against the rules. Hartley bit. He's guilty and stupid and deserves a ban.

Ferris was totally within his rights to report it to the ref.

Just doesn't seem right to those like me who grew up with the idea you settled it on the field.

And yes, I do know the game's moved on & it's professional now & reporting to the ref was probably the clever thing to do.

But, I don't have to like it......................

Partiucularly after trying to drag Hartley out of the ruck by his face!!!!!