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Justice_4_Hartley

What do people expect from today’s disciplinary hearing?

IMO I hope he doesn't play again this season, and I hope he never plays for England again (if found guilty of course!)

HERSH, so long as you remain sitting, one option is kind of covered.
But as a loosie, Fez is a bit of a turnover bandit.

HERSH wrote:Put it this way I wouldn't want to sit next to Ferris on a bus or a plane as I'd dread to think where his finger will end up!

... or where they have been.

Spoiler:

I think most people would have more respect for him if he just admitted to attempting to wind Hartley up, let’s be honest most of us would if you thought the player would react and get yellow or red card especially as Ireland were being hammered.

I suggest wearing trousers and a good belt as a solution to the worry about what a fellow passenger might do with a digit at 30,000 feet.

the guy is a thug.

There is no place in our great game for him.

Cabbages - I'm assuming you mean Hartley not Ferris?

In fairness, Hartley's disciplinary record has been exemplary for 5 years now, so that seems a little harsh.

cabbagesandbrussels wrote:the guy is a thug.

There is no place in our great game for him.

Oh dear - that would have precluded MJ (for instance) from playing.

There was the time that Dylan was tending a baby sparrow with a broken wing. He allowed the poor mite to nest in the gap in his back teeth. He would chew worms into a wormy mulch to feed his little friend until one day the sparrow came back to full health and flew away.
Now I have heard that a magical bond was formed between the two. That little sparrow often returned to its great cavernous sanctuary when it felt that its protector may be in danger. In a flash of sparrowy precognition it knew that its great friends life may rest in its feathers.
Crouching low, mimicking its natural pussycat foe it stalked its prey. As soon as that wormy looking pinky entered its masters gob it struck with all its might. “My life for yours” it chirped its final cheep.
As we all know, once a sparrow stings it will die very soon afterwards. Unwilling to let his comrades memory be sullied little Dylan swallowed hard and took the blame.
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

Best post ever.

Submachine wrote:There was the time that Dylan was tending a baby sparrow with a broken wing. He allowed the poor mite to nest in the gap in his back teeth. He would chew worms into a wormy mulch to feed his little friend until one day the sparrow came back to full health and flew away.
Now I have heard that a magical bond was formed between the two. That little sparrow often returned to its great cavernous sanctuary when it felt that its protector may be in danger. In a flash of sparrowy precognition it knew that its great friends life may rest in its feathers.
Crouching low, mimicking its natural pussycat foe it stalked its prey. As soon as that wormy looking pinky entered its masters gob it struck with all its might. “My life for yours” it chirped its final cheep.
As we all know, once a sparrow stings it will die very soon afterwards. Unwilling to let his comrades memory be sullied little Dylan swallowed hard and took the blame.
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

And thus another fable sees the light. Beautifully written Submachine.

Submachine,

Roll us all one while you at it, before the police come round and bust you.

Submachine

Very good Subm!

Has anyone else listened to the interview that Mallinder gave to that Northampton Chronicle?

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/northampton-saints-mallinder-saints-are-a-clean-club-1-3676109

What is he complaining about players getting bans while on International duty and how it's not fair on the club? It's the player who is being punished by a ban and if any side he plays for is adversely affected by that ban then take it up with the offending player!!!!

Is he really suggesting that someone found guilty of foul play in an International match should be allowed to continue to play for their club?

That's just daft!

Aahhh welcome back MrsP

Mrs P

I don't want to put words in your mouth or make any unwarranted assumptions, but would it be fair to say you're not a founder member of the Dylan Hartley fan club?

MrsP wrote:Very good Subm!

Has anyone else listen to the interview that Malinder gave to that Northampton Chronical?

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/northampton-saints-mallinder-saints-are-a-clean-club-1-3676109

What is he complaining about players getting bans while on International duty and how it's not fair on the club? It's the player who is being punished by a ban and if any side he plays for is adversely affected by that ban then take it up with the offending player!!!!

Is he really suggesting that someone found guilty of foul play in an International match should be allowed to continue to play for their club?

That's just daft!

They do it in football

Yes, but rugby's way is better, after all it does allow the panel to make sure any bans don't interfere with upcoming internationals!

wickedwasp wrote:Mrs P

I don't want to put words in your mouth or make any unwarranted assumptions, but would it be fair to say you're not a founder member of the Dylan Hartley fan club?

Darn! I thought I was hiding it so well!

I am indeed not a fan. Too much off the ball stuff for my liking. Then there was the whole eye scrabbing thing. Not convinced he scrummages legally either. That has no bearing on whether he is guilty or not though.

Thunor,

The thought of taking on board any aspect of the disciplinary dealings of football is not a happy one.

Eireb!

Hiya yerself!

Not even a ban for a large number of yellows? I would bring that in. Might stop some cynical players

Just yanking your chain

Got to admit, I've always wondered why he doesn't get pinged every time for standing up in the scrum.

I have missed you MrsP

Ah, Thanks Eireb!

:shucks:

Thunor,

I know what you mean but I am happy enough for the citing/banning thing to be kept exclusively for foul/dangerous play.

The sin-bin should already be punishing players and teams for cynical play in rugby.

wickedwasp wrote:Just yanking your chain

Got to admit, I've always wondered why he doesn't get pinged every time for standing up in the scrum.

Because I'm pretty sure it's not actually illegal to stand up in the scrum

No it's not illegal but the book does say that they must bind "firmly and continuously".

20.3(a) Binding by all front row players. All front row players must bind firmly and continuously from the start to the finish of the scrum.
Sanction: Penalty kick

And,

20.8

(i) Lifting or forcing an opponent up. A front row player must not lift an opponent in the air,
or force an opponent upwards out of the scrum, either when the ball is being thrown in or
afterwards. This is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick

But that's the thing, he/all hookers that's stand up are still bound to their props. I think there is a sub section about standing?

And MrsP the fact that he's the first to stand up, means that he is being forced up so it should be a penalty to him

I am certainly not going to pretend I have any idea of what goes on in the front row of a scrum but I think he repeatedly stands up.

That could be that he's either being pushed up which is a penalty to him, or he get pushed up through pressure so it's a scrum reset.

Unfortunately some posters have half an idea of what they think are the laws and then bang on about things if it's gospel.

And the nearest I get when playing is second row, I'm far to good looking to play front row

Well it is illegal to force an opponent upwards out of the scrum and, to me, that is what it looks like he does at almost every scrum.

As I say though, by no means claiming any expertise on front row play, just describing what I see and how I read it in the light of the Laws of the game.

MrsP wrote:
I am certainly not going to pretend I have any idea of what goes on in the front row of a scrum but I think he repeatedly stands up.

I bet secretly you would like too

Marcus horan was (rightly) pinged against Connacht for driving up and not straight in the scrum. Trouble is he did the same thing the next scrum and got the penalty. I think that there are far too many front rowers getting away with driving up.

MrsP wrote:Well it is illegal to force an opponent upwards out of the scrum and, to me, that is what it looks like he does at almost every scrum.

As I say though, by no means claiming any expertise on front row play, just describing what I see and how I read it in the light of the Laws of the game.

If he was forcing someone up he would be the second to stand up as his head would be pushing upwards under the opposition hooker.

You don't want to know what goes on in there, it's populated by a sub human race who communicate by repeatedly banging heads together

Knackeredknees wrote:You don't want to know what goes on in there, it's populated by a sub human race who communicate by repeatedly banging heads together

I have been there, we do it because it feels great when we stop

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:You don't want to know what goes on in there, it's populated by a sub human race who communicate by repeatedly banging heads together

I have been there, we do it because it feels great when we stop

Um biltong question for you! How do you type so well when your using your forehead to bash the keyboard?

"You don't want to know what goes on in there,...."

Indeed!

I think I'll just stick with watching from the sofa or the stand and shouting,

"Everytime ref!"

MrsP wrote:

I think I'll just stick with watching from the sofa or the stand and shouting,

"Everytime ref!"

Funny even from second row or 8 I say that to the ref if we concede a penalty for a front row frogetting that all he has to do is lean,grab shirt, push!!

Knackeredknees wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:You don't want to know what goes on in there, it's populated by a sub human race who communicate by repeatedly banging heads together

I have been there, we do it because it feels great when we stop

Um biltong question for you! How do you type so well when your using your forehead to bash the keyboard?

Easy, I dictate and my assistant types.

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:You don't want to know what goes on in there, it's populated by a sub human race who communicate by repeatedly banging heads together

I have been there, we do it because it feels great when we stop

Um biltong question for you! How do you type so well when your using your forehead to bash the keyboard?

Easy, I dictate and my assistant types.

Wow you have someone who can translate the grunts into English, she must be very intelligent

Knackeredknees wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:You don't want to know what goes on in there, it's populated by a sub human race who communicate by repeatedly banging heads together

I have been there, we do it because it feels great when we stop

Um biltong question for you! How do you type so well when your using your forehead to bash the keyboard?

Easy, I dictate and my assistant types.

Wow you have someone who can translate the grunts into English, she must be very intelligent

And she looks like Jessica Alba as well.

Portnoy wrote:Just as everyone always knew then. A still mirky set of 'facts' led by speculation, assertion and heresay.

Not mirky at all. A player reports an incident to the referee, who sees the resultant marks left on the players finger.

This is a clear cut scenario in every sense. I am amazed at some of the responses on this thread.

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:

biltongbek wrote:

Knackeredknees wrote:You don't want to know what goes on in there, it's populated by a sub human race who communicate by repeatedly banging heads together

I have been there, we do it because it feels great when we stop

Um biltong question for you! How do you type so well when your using your forehead to bash the keyboard?

Easy, I dictate and my assistant types.

Wow you have someone who can translate the grunts into English, she must be very intelligent

And she looks like Jessica Alba as well.

See proof that repeated blows to the head cause delusional tendancys and loss of sight

So when's the report out?

Portnoy wrote:So when's the report out?

Most of my emails from the 6N media office tend to arrive in the afternoon. Will keep an eye out.

'I think I'll just stick with watching from the sofa or the stand and shouting,

"Everytime ref!"'

There was a guy behind me at the Millenium for the France game, who shouted that when France got penalised at the very first scrum of the afternoon.

BlueNote wrote:'I think I'll just stick with watching from the sofa or the stand and shouting,

"Everytime ref!"'

There was a guy behind me at the Millenium for the France game, who shouted that when France got penalised at the very first scrum of the afternoon.

Tweren't me!

I was on the sofa for that one!

BlueNote wrote:'I think I'll just stick with watching from the sofa or the stand and shouting,

"Everytime ref!"'

There was a guy behind me at the Millenium for the France game, who shouted that when France got penalised at the very first scrum of the afternoon.

We do that at the Dragons, but it obviously comes across better when it's not as isolated. I think it's funny personally.

Where's the confounded written judgment?!?!?!?!?!

They're bottling this.

Those toads.

Dont be an arse Tri, it always takes a few days for it to be written up and reviewed before being released as you well know

How come we've had the Clark one for an hour and a half at least then and that hearing only happened last evening?

I don't think there's a conspiracy by the way, just must have very slow folk at the 6 Nations!