Jimmy Anderson v Dale Steyn since 2010

(Data excludes the SA-Eng series that overlapped into 2010)

(Anderson/Steyn)

Tests Played - 22/18
Wickets Taken 101/87
Bowling Average 23.67/24.59

Oh Jimmy Jimmy...

whoah, didn't realise Jimmy's record was quite that good! Both very very impressive records

Yeah, I knew Jimmy had been good this past two years, but not that good! It probably does say something thought that that is Jimmy at his best, but Steyn at probably the worst he has bowled, especially recently.

Both outstanding records, but Steyn > Anderson, just, at the moment still!

Duty I checked your data.

Steyn 87 wickets at 22.08, strike rate 43?
Anderson 101 wickets at 22.83, strike rate 50?

That's from 1 Feb 2010?

If you include the english series.

Steyn 39 innings, 102 wickets, 22.33 average and strike rate 43.7
Anderson 49 innings, 117 wickets, 24.39 average and strike rate of 51.5

I'd take Steyn over Anderson. That bit of extra pace can cause problems on more docile pitches and that s/rate............superb.

i would take steyn over anderson, but to have them both in the same attack would be fantastic.

Well you have to admit they are both very good, anderson is in excellent nick, steyn in my view a little off colour at the moment, but we will see some tremendous cricket in July not only from these two, but Bresnan, Morkel, Philander and Finn is it?

I'd have thought Broad ahead of Bresnan biltong (though Bresnan does seem to be somewhat of a lucky charm), should be a cracking series.

Bresnan vs Finn I reckon.

Both teams have excellent sides. Looking forward to it already.

Yeah, possibly but I don't enjoy Broad he reminds me of dominic Cork when he was here in 1994 I think it was, and we went down to St Georges park, what a plonker the guy was, as sour as the day is long. He behaved like a spoilt brat.

Cork toured in 94?

I see your point Biltong. I remember Cork bowling bouncers to Tendulkar in 1996 and giving him a long hard stare afterwards.

Benaud said "Sachin has faced better, faster and bigger bowlers than you and came off better"

Quite right.

It was either 94 or 97, I am pretty sure it was before 97 as my met my wife then an she certainly would not have allowed me to go watch cricket in Prot elizabeth for a week without Parental supervision.

But yeah cork was the beeswax, I remember we went to one of the boxes at the ground and the organisor was telling us Corks' mother wasn't happy with the accommodation she was given and they had a temper tantrum until they got what she wanted.

Must have been 97. I think that was our first tour to South Africa after your comeback, unless it was a lions tour or something?

Maybe you were in your honeymoon period back then biltong?

Nope was 1995. Just checked.

The plonker actually took 7 wickets in that match, I suppose he took his frustrations out on the SA Batsmen.

95?

He wasn't bad if he got his length right. No pace but could swing it.

Well he couldn't have been all bad if he made the england squad... as a bowler I mean.

to be fair to Broad he's really improved his temperament over the last year or so I think, he now just goes about his business and he's a much better bowler for it. Just don't believe him when he says you should review it

biltongbek wrote:Duty I checked your data.

Steyn 87 wickets at 22.08, strike rate 43?
Anderson 101 wickets at 22.83, strike rate 50?

That's from 1 Feb 2010?

If you include the english series.

Steyn 39 innings, 102 wickets, 22.33 average and strike rate 43.7
Anderson 49 innings, 117 wickets, 24.39 average and strike rate of 51.5

Here's the list in full:

Jimmy Anderson

Averaged 24.77 against Bangladesh in England
Averaged 13.73 against Pakistan in England
Averaged 26.04 against Australia in Australia
Averaged 29 against Sri Lanka in England
Averaged 25.71 against India in England
Averaged 27.66 against Pakistan in UAE
Averaging 20 against Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka (Currently)

Total Average: 23.84

Dale Steyn

Averaged 20.27 against India in India
Averaged 18.13 against West Indies in West Indies
Averaged 46.33 against Pakistan in UAE
Averaged 17.47 against India in South Africa
Averaged 21.81 against Australia in South Africa
Averaged 21.57 against Sri Lanka in South Africa
Averaged 26.55 against New Zealand in South Africa

Total Average: 24.59

Duty sadly that calculation doesn't work mate.

If I have one average of 30 for 1 wicket and I have one average of 20 for 10 wickets that doesn't make my average 25, it makes it.

20x 10 = 200 runs conceded
30 X 1 = 30 runs conceded
230 runs conceded for 11 wickets

Average is 230/11 = 20.90

You have to see how many wickets you got for each of those matches and then calculate runs conceded add the lot and divide by the wickets.

Or you can just get the averages from cricinfo.

Dale Steyn

James Anderson

Either way, two incredible bowlers and barely anything between them at this stage of their careers.

Very difficult to split them. As someone said above Steyn can call upon that additional pace on placid pitches, but then again Anderson fared much better than Steyn did on the benign UAE surfaces. Shows how much Jimmy has progressed since his wayward youth, I guess. Two fast bowlers that would have had a stack of success in any era, that is for sure.

what's the away and home averages

Anderson away since 01/10/2009 (includes SA series)

14 matches, average 27.75, strike rate 56.6, 57 wickets

Anderson at home 1/10/2009

12 matches, average 21.36, strike rate 47.2, 60 wickets

Steyn away since 01/10/2009

10 matches, average 20.97, strike rate 42.4, wickets 41

Steyn at home, 11 matches, average 24.68, strike rate 48.3, 61 wickets

Dale steyn struggled in the UAE, he only took six wickets at and average of over 45 there and a strike rate of 80.

Otherwise his record was

8 matches, average 20.97 strike rate 42.4 and 35 wickets.


So in my view I'll choose Anderson over Steyn if I travel to the UAE, otherwise Steyn in any ohter conditions.

Stella wrote:95?

He wasn't bad if he got his length right. No pace but could swing it.

Cork in 1995 was a very good bowler then in his first year of test match cricket playing for England. He took a hattrick against the mighty West Indies batting lineup and in one of the test matches in South Africa, he dismissed South African captain Hansie Cronje with a real jaffa of a delivery that swung late so much despite it pitching on middle and leg but it still managed to get the outside edge of Cronje's bat before being caught by the wicketkeeper.

Don't think the tests in the UAE are particularly relevant as the average per wicket for Pak v SA was 51 & for Pak v Eng 22 (which means Steyn was better than the ave & Anderson worse).

In the context of this series, Jimmy probably has the edge.

yeah your right bilty...

But its abit irrelevant saying one is better than the other as they are so close - the reality is though -Jimmy is the best bowler SA can face in a test and Styn is the best bowler that england can face in a test!!!

Thats the reality and bring it on!!

Even in his rather out of form state, Dale Steyn is a mighty fine bowler. Now that he has gained additional backup from a very very accurate line and length bowler who could move it around a fair bit, he I believe would become even more dangerous. Steyn is already a modern day great in my book.
As far as James Anderson goes, he has become a superb bowler over the last few years. He's particularly dangerous when the conditions facilitate swing. He can swing it at good pace although not as quick as Steyn does, but he gets the ball to do more, and over the years has developed into a fine bowler in different conditions.
If you jump to the wrong conclusions about sSteyn on flat track after reading his recent UAE stats, just have a look at his stats in India, and then go to youtube and look for some of his real massive movements on flat tracks.
When both are at their best, Dale Steyn is ahead of James Anderson, but Anderson is one of the finest that the South African batters will face in their career for sure.