Did Manny need Catchweight.... and will it matter anyway?????

Will anyone care in ten years time that he used it??? ..............

For me it should harm his legacy!!!!

However for me the simple fact is he'd have won anyway........and it won't impact his legacy!!

De ninguna manera !!!

I hate catchweights (for title fights mainly) so yes I do care!

It's not just Manny I object to all catchweights and annoyed at anyone who's used them inc Leonard for his unbelievable 2 weights/belts in 1 fight match!

There is so little difference between the weights, there is IMO no need for them. I think you should agree to fight at a particular weight or don't fight at all.

Tricky one Truss, will stick in the craw of many that he won titles in catchweight fights myself included but for me the catchweights do not impact too much, easily forgotten but given how small Manny started and where he was fighting but a few years ago most of the catchweights he has asked for such as 145 with Cotto and 151 with Tony were reasonable enough requests to level the playing field and he also won those fights in enough style to suggest a couple of pounds either way to suggest they did not make that big a difference.

What it does impact for me is in the belt winning area because nobody will convince me Manny is a light middle champion, did not win it at the weight and never defended it, but belts or not the odd catchweight does not detract from the fact he is an outstanding fighter and has done some remarkable things over the last few years.

True but as we know his legacy wich will be top 15 no doubt will be he won titles from 112 or whatever to 154.................

Marquez tainted wins will be forgotten too... no doubt

I doubt it would have effected the outcome in any of his fights, with the only one making me pause for the slightest of thoughts being De la Hoya. Not a catchweight fight, I know, but this wasn't a case of just a single lb here, a couple more there as it was with Cotto, Margarito etc. This was a weight division which Oscar hadn't fought in for seven / eight years, and it was very much evident that he really had no business campaigning back at Welterweight at that stage. Had they fought at Light-Middleweight, where Oscar had been for so long, it may have been different. I'm not sure Oscar could have reversed the result, in all honesty, as he was a good few years removed from his prime. But I doubt he'd have taken such a one-sided beating like the one we saw.

Mind you, had Oscar wanted the fight at his more natural 154 lb, Manny, Roach and Arum wouldn't have even entertained the idea. Rightfully so, in fairness, given that Manny hadn't even fought past Lightweight prior to that bout.

Have already made my views on catchweight contests - particularly ones which have a title on the line - pretty clear, so for me it's a minor annoyance with Manny, but certainly not enough to take any real shine off his sparkling legacy. Catchweight or no, his performance against Cotto was absolutely wonderful.

The way I look at Marquez is he was just a guy who gave Manny fits, but again he is not the only guy through history who struggled with a guy he should have breezed through, if we look at it sensibly there is not really enough on Norton's record to suggest he should have troubled Ali like he did.

No but they'll see two wins and a draw on his record..
against Marquez who is a great..

and in ten tears time it will be another way of measuring him higher in the alltime stakes....

When we look at it sensibly...we can decipher that it's results that matter at the end of the day and not the disgraceful way they are accrued..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:No but they'll see two wins and a draw on his record..
against Marquez who is a great..

and in ten tears time it will be another way of measuring him higher in the alltime stakes....

When we look at it sensibly...we can decipher that it's results that matter at the end of the day and not the disgraceful way they are accrued..

I think to the hardcore boxing fan the result takes nothing away from Marquez's legacy & the disgraceful way they are accrued as you put it added to the catch weights are more damaging to Manny. He didn't need these catch weights, had Marg weighed in at 154 Manny would still have beaten him. Only a casual fan or a Manny nuthugger will see it as a way to rank him higher in an atg poll.

The thing that is so irritating about the catchweight for Cotto vs Pacquiao is they forced the champion to defend his belt when he didn't want to. Cotto refused to but his belt on the line at a catchweight and the WBO forced him anyway (jokers).

That being said Manny would have probably won anyway.

It depends, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. I along with many other's despise catchweights and I don't rate Manny very highly at all because of it. Punching your way to becoming a 7 weight world champion when there's only a cup of sugar between each of the weight categories is not as special as it seems. And given that he's robbed Marquez blind how many times now? The shenanigans with Mayweather also, who consequently would school him, he'd do well to shut his mouth and retire.

A hideously overrated boxer where I feel the catchweights will harm his legacy a great deal.

Overrated boxer, yes, not an overrated fighter though. If you go to war with Pacquiao you are going to get your butt kicked.

Catchweights will be forgotten over a period of time. He would have won anyway. He was outstanding the night he beat Cotto and even if the Marg fight had been made at the full 154lbs Marg wouldn't have been able to cope with Pacs speed.