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Post by youngguns6 Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:42 pm

There's rumours going around about Tom Prydie, dan Evans, Manu, Daniol Jones plus a few South Africans like Peter Grant. Can anyone confirm if there's any truth in this?
Also where's R.Rees off to, he'd be a welcome addition to the squad.

Looking at the players leaving we are in desperate need of a 2 locks and a quality 15.
People have had a winge that we may be signing an experienced 10 even though we have the highly talented Steffan Jones and Lewis Roblin but if one gets injured (Steffan has just done his ankle) then we are very short of quality. It's a long season and I'm sure they will still get plenty of game time. They will learn a lot from someone like Grant.

Any info would be appreciated.

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Post by Dragonfan311 Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:17 am

Tom Prydie, dan Evans is a done deal check southwalesargus!

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:25 am

I am not too sure on Manu, the rumblings I have heard are along the lines of it is uncertain as to whether he is leaving the scarlets or not.

I guess with Thomas Prydie and Dan Evans that is pretty much the signings that were required in the backs. Prydie as wing/fullback, and Dan Evs as Fly Half/Fullback/Wing.
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Post by GavinDragon Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:18 am

SS theres a rumour going round on the dragons forum that yoyu guys are after lydiate? heard that at your end?

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:37 am

Not really. He would be a good signing, but we have Turnbull (4,5,6,7,8,), Shingler (4,5,6,7), McCusker (6,7,8), Murphy (6,8), and Gilbert (6,8) who all play in the same position as Lydiate so that would seem a rather dull signing for both player and region.
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Post by Smirnoffpriest Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:04 am

If you said we were signing Toby Faletau on the other hand... Very Happy

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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:06 am

I know Peter grant has been playing in the Japanese league for some time, not sure whether his contract is up there yet.
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Post by pioden gorllewin Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:33 am

Heard the lydiate rumour,not sure how much truth is in it. He is going out with a local girl from pontyberem, and they are looking to relocate to carmarthenshire. Maybe someone has put 2 +2 together and come up with =7.
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Post by ScarletSpiderman Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:36 am

pioden gorllewin wrote:Heard the lydiate rumour,not sure how much truth is in it. He is going out with a local girl from pontyberem, and they are looking to relocate to carmarthenshire. Maybe someone has put 2 +2 together and come up with = 6.

Fixed it for you
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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:38 am

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
pioden gorllewin wrote:Heard the lydiate rumour,not sure how much truth is in it. He is going out with a local girl from pontyberem, and they are looking to relocate to carmarthenshire. Maybe someone has put 2 +2 together and come up with = 6.

Fixed it for you

Laugh Is that how you guys learn maths at school. Whistle
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Post by Impossible Standards Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:42 am

Dragons are close to signing their new 10. Also they are looking at some SH locks.

.....any moment now!
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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:54 am

just leave ours alone, we need them now that Vicki and Bakkies have retired.
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Post by youngguns6 Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:03 am

So it looks like the Prydie deal is going threw. Next season is massive for him, he's got a lot to prove after his welsh caps. Still he's only 20 and has time on his side but he will need to step up and own the 15 Jearsy next season. I'm pleased with that signing, at 6ft 4" he will be our biggest back, we've been very lightweight in the backs for some time now.

Who are the locks we are looking at?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:05 am

I don't care if they're from the southern hemisphere or Greenland as long as they're good. I swear we go weak at the knees when we hear an Antipodean accent and lose sight of whether or not they're any good.

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:13 am

biltongbek wrote:just leave ours alone, we need them now that Vicki and Bakkies have retiredTheir all playing for England.

Fixed that for you

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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:16 am

Smirnoffpriest wrote:
biltongbek wrote:just leave ours alone, we need them now that Vicki and Bakkies have retiredTheir all playing for England.

Fixed that for you

Ah, but they will soon be coming home. Whistle
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Post by Smirnoffpriest Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:20 am

biltongbek wrote:
Smirnoffpriest wrote:
biltongbek wrote:just leave ours alone, we need them now that Vicki and Bakkies have retiredTheir all playing for England.

Fixed that for you

Ah, but they will soon be coming home. Whistle

I'm sure you'll have a warm welcome for them Very Happy

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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:26 am

Smirnoffpriest wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
Smirnoffpriest wrote:
biltongbek wrote:just leave ours alone, we need them now that Vicki and Bakkies have retiredTheir all playing for England.

Fixed that for you

Ah, but they will soon be coming home. Whistle

I'm sure you'll have a warm welcome for them Very Happy

Of course, 930 kg's of prime South African beef in the forward pack.
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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:42 am

just leave ours alone, we need them now that Vicki and Bakkies have retiredTheir all playing for England

All of one lock? Headscratch , if that's the depth of Saffa locking talent then this tour will be easy enough, hey we'll even let you have Botha back if you want!

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Post by Comfort Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:47 am

maybe the dragons are signing matfield and botha?

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Post by GavinDragon Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:48 am

Laugh

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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:27 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
just leave ours alone, we need them now that Vicki and Bakkies have retiredTheir all playing for England

All of one lock? Headscratch , if that's the depth of Saffa locking talent then this tour will be easy enough, hey we'll even let you have Botha back if you want!

Now why would we want Botha back. It is like giving someone a sarmie and then asking for it back after it has been sweating in the plastic bag for months, with mould running riot. vomit

Sis man.

I have decided that as of now I will oppose any of our players playing overseas, unless of course I don't rate them as necessary to our own cause. Whistle
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Post by formerly known as Sam Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:29 pm

Lol. Wales and Scotland try and get them so young that we don't always have chance to decide whether we rate them or not.

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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:33 pm

To be very honest with you it is starting to furious me off that clubs are starting to draw our youngsters from such a tender age.

It might not look like it is making a big impact, but looking at France in particular, there are a big number of youngsters who might run arounf with a French rugby jumper in the near future.

I honestly think the IRB need to start looking at a way to limit this or alternatively compensate the countries that lose these players.

By my count there were over 40 SA players playing in the top 14, and half of those played only a handful of games in SA provincial rugby, with some picked right out of Craven Week.

I am beginning to think we must deny access to foreign scouts at our rugby matches.
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Post by ScarletSpiderman Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:34 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Lol. Wales and Scotland try and get them so young that we don't always have chance to decide whether we rate them or not.

Yeah but sadly we missed the boat with Ben Morgan.
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Post by pioden gorllewin Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:55 pm

ooops...1st time i've tried messaging on this from my phone, knew i'd do a mistake somewhere, thanks ss.

if i was a dragons fan i'd be pleased with the signings so far of tom prydie, dan evans and peter grant.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:03 pm

Is Peter Grant confirmed?

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Post by Smirnoffpriest Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:10 pm

biltongbek wrote:To be very honest with you it is starting to furious me off that clubs are starting to draw our youngsters from such a tender age.

It might not look like it is making a big impact, but looking at France in particular, there are a big number of youngsters who might run arounf with a French rugby jumper in the near future.

I honestly think the IRB need to start looking at a way to limit this or alternatively compensate the countries that lose these players.

By my count there were over 40 SA players playing in the top 14, and half of those played only a handful of games in SA provincial rugby, with some picked right out of Craven Week.

I am beginning to think we must deny access to foreign scouts at our rugby matches.

I heard somewhere (think it was the Western Mail so I don't promise factuality or realism) that the IRB were looking into something along the lines of compensation for nations whose players have instead 'qualified' for another country - think they were looking at helping the Tier 3 countries, but don't know much details.

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Post by Morgannwg Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:25 pm

Dragonfan311 wrote:Tom Prydie, dan Evans is a done deal check southwalesargus!

Those are very good signings, I'm pleased with that. Peter Grant would be another very good signing but surely he wouldn't come here with the low money we could offer him? Gavin Henson anyone?

I think we could do with a few forwards, but not Deniol Jones... Maybe we should look to the Premiership who have some good scrummaging forwards (Keys).
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Post by Smirnoffpriest Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:30 pm

I agree D Jones would be a waste of money and you could probably do much better raiding either your own Prem clubs or the other regions Prem clubs.

I'd like you to sign R Rees though

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Post by GavinDragon Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:30 pm

would take hodge of keys over deiniol anyday of the week

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:33 pm

Deiniol Jones would be a waste of money. He's coming to the end of his career (and he hardly set the world alight at his peak) and we should be trying to get a lock who has his best years ahead of him.

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:34 pm

Smirnoffpriest wrote:
biltongbek wrote:To be very honest with you it is starting to furious me off that clubs are starting to draw our youngsters from such a tender age.

It might not look like it is making a big impact, but looking at France in particular, there are a big number of youngsters who might run arounf with a French rugby jumper in the near future.

I honestly think the IRB need to start looking at a way to limit this or alternatively compensate the countries that lose these players.

By my count there were over 40 SA players playing in the top 14, and half of those played only a handful of games in SA provincial rugby, with some picked right out of Craven Week.

I am beginning to think we must deny access to foreign scouts at our rugby matches.

I heard somewhere (think it was the Western Mail so I don't promise factuality or realism) that the IRB were looking into something along the lines of compensation for nations whose players have instead 'qualified' for another country - think they were looking at helping the Tier 3 countries, but don't know much details.

It was IIRC a proposal by the NZRU - a cunning plan which would (a) send some money through to the PI teams letting the NZRU pat itself on the back and (b) send quite a lot of money NZ's way Whistle which would help NZ keep the more of the players it wants to hold on to.
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Post by Comfort Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:38 pm

so the IRB and NZ in cahoots again....

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Post by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:42 pm

Comfort wrote:so the IRB and NZ in cahoots again....

Rolling Eyes

NZ makes proposals to the IRB, a lot of the time they get voted down. I'm sure other countries do the same. And NZ gets it's 2 votes on the committee, same as the other major nations.

I'm pretty sure this one hasn't been voted on yet, but given that most of the 6N countries will probaby oppose it I can't see it passing.
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Post by Morgannwg Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:46 pm

Deniol is one of the worst 2nd rows in the world on current form. We don't need or want over teams rejects. I thought we had put those days behind us. I would assume the Dragons will be looking a scrum half Dyer, Hodge, the props and the hooker all from Cross Keys, now that Burns is retired.
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Post by Biltong Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:47 pm

Kiwireddevil wrote:
Comfort wrote:so the IRB and NZ in cahoots again....

Rolling Eyes

NZ makes proposals to the IRB, a lot of the time they get voted down. I'm sure other countries do the same. And NZ gets it's 2 votes on the committee, same as the other major nations.

I'm pretty sure this one hasn't been voted on yet, but given that most of the 6N countries will probaby oppose it I can't see it passing.

Yeah you'll need all the countries outside of europe to vote on that one, as the rest won't want it passed, Japan would most likely vote with the rest of europe.
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Post by Comfort Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:47 pm

im only joking kiwi Smile

it makes perfect sense for countries to want to protect their investments (players) or have their losses accounted for.

Theres too big a grey area for a blanket rule though, its the problem with qualification as it stands as well, too much grey area!

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Post by Brendan Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:53 pm

Can anyone tell me if any Georgrain has played for any country other then them. They are away from home alot but all seem to look at playing for their country as the top honour

Other countries it just seems to be about playing international rugby

It mainly seems to be the big three and the PIs though I think nowadays it is less PIs but second generation living in another country eg most PIs playing for NZ are accually NZ

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Post by Morgannwg Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:09 pm

I just remebered the Dragons will also probably be bringing Hallam Amos through. We are starting to get a bit congested in the back 3 and need more centres. Grant or Henson would do nicely for 12 cover. Any chance of us dropping Tuilagi?
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:21 pm

Morgannwg wrote:Any chance of us dropping Tuilagi?

Unfortunately not as much chance as him dropping the ball, which must be up to about 85% by now.

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Post by gowales Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:45 pm

Amos is a very exciting prospect Morgs, i have a good feeling about him

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Post by gowales Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:45 pm

Amos is a very exciting prospect Morgs, i have a good feeling about him

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Post by Impossible Standards Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:54 pm

Amos and Dixon look good prospects.
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Post by LordDowlais Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Brendan wrote:Can anyone tell me if any Georgrain has played for any country other then them. They are away from home alot but all seem to look at playing for their country as the top honour

Other countries it just seems to be about playing international rugby

It mainly seems to be the big three and the PIs though I think nowadays it is less PIs but second generation living in another country eg most PIs playing for NZ are accually NZ

Isnt, Dimitri Yashvilli, the French player Georgain ?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Jack Dixon looked quality when he came on against Munster not long ago.

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Post by GavinDragon Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:00 pm

there are plenty of prospects both in our academy at 20's but also u18s we have about 6-8 players in the u18's welsh side and colleg gwent are near the top of the schools competition, add into that the success of teams like keys and id say we have plenty of bodies to bring through, not all are going to be superstars but all are gwent boys and will give 100% to the cause im sure,

the money we have freed up losing long dog and brew should be wisely invested in 1 or 2 top quality players and the rest concentrated on bringing our own boys through IMO

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:03 pm

Dimitri Yachvili is French. His grandfather was Georgian.

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Post by LordDowlais Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:05 pm

luckless_pedestrian wrote:Dimitri Yachvili is French. His grandfather was Georgian.

Are you sure ? I am positive his family still live in Georgia and that his brother was playing for them as well.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:08 pm

GavinDragon wrote:there are plenty of prospects both in our academy at 20's but also u18s we have about 6-8 players in the u18's welsh side and colleg gwent are near the top of the schools competition, add into that the success of teams like keys and id say we have plenty of bodies to bring through, not all are going to be superstars but all are gwent boys and will give 100% to the cause im sure,

the money we have freed up losing long dog and brew should be wisely invested in 1 or 2 top quality players and the rest concentrated on bringing our own boys through IMO

I think that is realistically the future for all of the regions for the next few seasons.
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