Quins v Wasps

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Looks like a quins 1st team (apart from Clegg) and Grey is still injured.

15 Mike Brown
14 Ugo Monye
13 George Lowe
12 Jordan Turner-Hall
11 Sam Smith
10 Rory Clegg
9 Danny Care

1 Joe Marler
2 Rob Buchanan
3 James Johnston
4 Olly Kohn
5 George Robson
6 Maurie Fa'asavalu
7 Chris Robshaw (C)
8 Nick Easter

16 Aston Croall
17 Mark Lambert
18 Will Collier
19 Tomas Vallejos
20 Tom Guest
21 Karl Dickson
22 Benjamin Urdapilleta
23 Ross Chisholm

Brilliant try from Wade under the posts, Quins fell asleep

What a try by Wade. Lovely line.

Wade has be touring this summer

What a game this is.

Quins should be out of sight. In the form they displayed in the first half of the season, they would have been.

Wade and May on the wings for the midweek team in SA....wow.

And if Ashton keeps ups his couldnt care less attitude then maybe one could take his place....

Whats the score?

Aye... Mark Wilson to go as well eh marra?

Ah well thats a no brainer Cumbrian...best back rower in the premiership....

16-10 to Quins, error-ridden start to 2nd half

Feck Cleggy! You could do your old club a favour there lad!

Clegg misses penalty attempt, yet more errors.

Try Robshaw. Brought down just short and rolled over the line. I was slightly surprised it was allowed.

23-10

Quins are all over Wasps, and only a lack of precision is saving a rout. Attacking lineout on Wasps 5m line sees them lose the ball.

TBP for Quins as JTH goes over in the corner.

What a run from Wade, he had no right to avoid being dragged in there!

Wade is literally made of oil. Btw if anyone is at the match, please donate to the Right To Play charity!

Wasps 4 points ahead of us now...not five that i thought...

Can we escape?

Well played Quins today

I know that Wade isn't the biggest fella, but I have no concerns about his size, he always displays excellent strength in contact, attack and defence.

Would you unleash him on the boks though? or the midweek team...likewise what would you do with Johnny may?

May and Ward and JJ in the same team = mouthwatering

GeordieFalcon wrote:Would you unleash him on the boks though? or the midweek team...likewise what would you do with Johnny may?

No too small,

But so was Shane Williams...so was Jason Robinson...so is Vincent Clerc...and they are up there amongst the top international performers....

Surely if he ids exhilerating in attack...but still has enough strength to make a decent defence...which he has then we play him for his strengths....

I really think this is an attitude that has held England back over the years....we look at the weaknesses rather than their strengths...

If the weaknesses are so poor that they mean a player is unable to do the basics for his position - then for me the strengths will not outweigh those weaknesses.

A hooker who cannot throw straight, a prop who cannot scrummage, a scrumhalf who cannot pass, a stand off who cannot tackle and a full back who cannot catch will all end up costing the side more points than they ever gain with their other skills.

From what i have seen of Wade that does not apply. He does the basices to a decent standard and looks a real threat on attack.

All I would say is that people accuse Parisse of looking good because he is in a poor side. Could the same apply to Wade (and others mentioned) they look good in sides that are struggling to win and because they are simply better than their team mates?

With Ashton out of form, and Strettle unconvincing we need to find some wingers who can make a mark on the international stage. Wade may well be that man.

You've got to wonder what would happen if the Falcons pull a Lazarus and overtake Wasps. Would guys on the edge of England recognition like Wade, Launchbury, Simpson, Waldouck and Lindsay (He was in the Saxons) stick around? That's not even mentioning Haskell or Palmer.

LondonTiger wrote:If the weaknesses are so poor that they mean a player is unable to do the basics for his position - then for me the strengths will not outweigh those weaknesses.

A hooker who cannot throw straight, a prop who cannot scrummage, a scrumhalf who cannot pass, a stand off who cannot tackle and a full back who cannot catch will all end up costing the side more points than they ever gain with their other skills.

From what i have seen of Wade that does not apply. He does the basices to a decent standard and looks a real threat on attack.

All I would say is that people accuse Parisse of looking good because he is in a poor side. Could the same apply to Wade (and others mentioned) they look good in sides that are struggling to win and because they are simply better than their team mates?

With Ashton out of form, and Strettle unconvincing we need to find some wingers who can make a mark on the international stage. Wade may well be that man.

Watching him for the Ebgland U20s, I'm going to say no, he looks good because he's class. I think Wade is that man, but Sharples and May and Smith and Benjamin are all nice options to have too. If the wingers don't buck up, there is plenty of pressure on their places.

Cumbrian

Im sure we could find places for them...

With Ashton out of form, and Strettle unconvincing we need to find some wingers who can make a mark on the international stage. Wade may well be that man.

LT,

I would put May in that equation aswell...Wade and May on the wings would be frightening....

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george doors wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Would you unleash him on the boks though? or the midweek team...likewise what would you do with Johnny may?

No too small,

Why? I haven't seen him miss tackles and just yesterday we watched people bounce off him

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george doors wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Would you unleash him on the boks though? or the midweek team...likewise what would you do with Johnny may?

No too small,

Why? I haven't seen him miss tackles and just yesterday we watched people bounce off him

GeordieFalcon wrote:Cumbrian

Im sure we could find places for them...

With Ashton out of form, and Strettle unconvincing we need to find some wingers who can make a mark on the international stage. Wade may well be that man.

LT,

I would put May in that equation aswell...Wade and May on the wings would be frightening....

Wade, May, Foden with Brown on the bench and May covering OC and Foden wing?

GeordieFalcon wrote:Cumbrian

Im sure we could find places for them...

With Ashton out of form, and Strettle unconvincing we need to find some wingers who can make a mark on the international stage. Wade may well be that man.

LT,

I would put May in that equation aswell...Wade and May on the wings would be frightening....

Would snap your arm off for Launchbury, Wade and Waldouck. I'd also be interested in Lindsay if his throwing continues to improve. However, we have had to read many posts carving our squads up over the years so we should be a bit more sensitive to it and not indulge in this.

Regarding the wings I wonder if guys like Charlie Sharples are wasted on England. Hear me out... Sharples is deadly finishing things off, put him in space with the line in front of him and he'll more than likely score.

The problem is England haven't been putting people in space, even when Ashton was scoring tries it was because he was following play and not staying on his wing.

So if this continues England are going to need wingers that can create something out of nothing (Christian Wade/ Jonny May) or guys who can act as battering rams coming into the midfield (Matt Banahan/ Miles Benjamin/ Ugo Monye). I would suggest that a combination of the two would be best.

I think it's too early to guess what we'll be attacking like yet Cumbrian, depends on who the backs coach will be and what his plans are for us.

Personnaly i'd be happy with Wade and Monye for the mid weekers, a good mix of experience and youth and lots of pace and power. But if we're going on form then Sam Smith was just as exciting as Wade.

I head that Waldouck is moving to Saints

He'd be very good for them if he stays fit, he's only about 24

ChequeredJersey wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Cumbrian

Im sure we could find places for them...

With Ashton out of form, and Strettle unconvincing we need to find some wingers who can make a mark on the international stage. Wade may well be that man.

LT,

I would put May in that equation aswell...Wade and May on the wings would be frightening....

Wade, May, Foden with Brown on the bench and May covering OC and Foden wing?

As highly as I rate Brown, I'd rather have Joseph on the bench. With Brown on the bench, if one of the two wings gets injured then Foden or Brown will have to cover there, which isn't ideal. I know May's position of choice has previously been centre, but has he actually played there this season, and how often in the last couple? Joseph covers centre and the wings to an excellent standard and if Foden gets injured then May goes to FB.

I'd love to squeeze Brown into the squad, but I think his lack of positional versatility prevents that. Unfortunately I think he's a starter or not at all. I'd very much like to see him given some games and Foden a few matches off to keep them both viable and fresh.

yappysnap wrote:I think it's too early to guess what we'll be attacking like yet Cumbrian, depends on who the backs coach will be and what his plans are for us.

Personnaly i'd be happy with Wade and Monye for the mid weekers, a good mix of experience and youth and lots of pace and power. But if we're going on form then Sam Smith was just as exciting as Wade.

Mm not too sure about Sam Smith being just as exciting.

Wade slipped him very easily when he tracked back for the Smith kick through and the fact he looks very good in a struggling team has to be a factor.
If he hadn't been injured I believe he may well have started or at least benched for England in the 6Ns under the new management.