Mental Toughness and Nadal
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Mental Toughness and Nadal
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Very interesting article here about what the Djoko-Nadal rivalry tells us about Nadal's mental toughness. I say interesting I guess in part because it echoes something I've been saying. If you have reliable tools to fall back on which you know can do the job against your opponent (i.e. Nadal's f/h to the b/h vs. Federer, and knowing that as the match gets longer your chances improve against pretty much everyone pre-Djoko 2011) onlookers may gain an exaggerated perception of the relative importance to your success of that elusive quality "mental toughness". To put it another way, mental toughness needs to have some foundations on which to rest and the more reliable those foundations, the better. If a game relies upon more delicate timing it's more difficult to win back the 'mojo' by gutsing it out, which is one of the reasons why I have always been astonished by the ability of Tiger Woods to win at will at his height - golf is a very difficult game to 'try harder' at.
Now, vs. Djoko, Nadal has not yet devised a 'go-to' tactic and the 'one more heave' at USO and Aus left him agonisingly short, in the latter case against a Djoko who was not on his absolute best form.
As the author says, if these two face one another in the MC final one of two impressive 7-in-a-row streaks has to go and the other will become an even more impressive 8-in-a-row.
Ps. - this is not an invitation to bicker about relative mental toughness of Fedal, it's about how different ways of playing the game can give different impressions of the contribution of 'mental toughness' to the player's success in a way which is not necessarily accurate. If it were easy to do what Nadal has done in the game everyone would do it, but they don't.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1143242-how-novak-djokovic-has-forced-us-to-reevaluate-rafael-nadals-mental-toughness
For those who can't link, it's here.
Very interesting article here about what the Djoko-Nadal rivalry tells us about Nadal's mental toughness. I say interesting I guess in part because it echoes something I've been saying. If you have reliable tools to fall back on which you know can do the job against your opponent (i.e. Nadal's f/h to the b/h vs. Federer, and knowing that as the match gets longer your chances improve against pretty much everyone pre-Djoko 2011) onlookers may gain an exaggerated perception of the relative importance to your success of that elusive quality "mental toughness". To put it another way, mental toughness needs to have some foundations on which to rest and the more reliable those foundations, the better. If a game relies upon more delicate timing it's more difficult to win back the 'mojo' by gutsing it out, which is one of the reasons why I have always been astonished by the ability of Tiger Woods to win at will at his height - golf is a very difficult game to 'try harder' at.
Now, vs. Djoko, Nadal has not yet devised a 'go-to' tactic and the 'one more heave' at USO and Aus left him agonisingly short, in the latter case against a Djoko who was not on his absolute best form.
As the author says, if these two face one another in the MC final one of two impressive 7-in-a-row streaks has to go and the other will become an even more impressive 8-in-a-row.
Ps. - this is not an invitation to bicker about relative mental toughness of Fedal, it's about how different ways of playing the game can give different impressions of the contribution of 'mental toughness' to the player's success in a way which is not necessarily accurate. If it were easy to do what Nadal has done in the game everyone would do it, but they don't.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1143242-how-novak-djokovic-has-forced-us-to-reevaluate-rafael-nadals-mental-toughness
For those who can't link, it's here.
There was a time in tennis where no one was considered tougher to beat than Rafael Nadal. He never wavered, he never gave up the fight and he would force you to earn each and every single point.
Moreover, when the big points came along, you could be sure that Rafa would find his best tennis and make you earn it even more.
While a lot of that description is true, some of it is also part of the Rafa mythology. His on-court intensity makes it easy to associate him with the ultimate warrior, who never, ever gives up. Which is not always true.
Still, you will be hard pressed to find observers and fans who do not consider Rafa among the best competitors the sport has ever seen. And who regard him among the most mentally tough in clutch situations.
His entire rivalry with Federer is not only defined by the Rafa cross-court forehand to the Federer backhand, but also by how Rafa always edges out the close ones, saves and wins a higher percentage of the breakpoints and so on and so forth.
When Roger wins against Rafa, he usually does so in pretty dominant fashion. When the match is close, it's a pretty good bet, that it will go Rafa's way in the end.
This bolstered the conception of Rafa being the ultimate master of mental toughness and clutchness. When he can edge out the player who many considers the best of all time, again, and again and again, surely, Rafa must be the toughest mental customer in town.
Why do I then claim that Novak Djokovic' ascendancy has forced us to reevaluate those conceptions and beliefs?
To put it shortly: it's one thing to be mentally clutch against a player you know how to beat and where you have the tools to do so. It's quite another to be mentally clutch once you're in the "underdog" position and another player has shown consistent dominance over you.
In all of Rafa's career, he's faced little adversity on the tennis court. He's never had to face a player, who would consistently beat him. Sure, Federer would win here and there. Sure, Rafa would get upset on hard court by lesser players in his early years. But no one dominated him.
In fact, Rafa was the perfect prodigy, ready to dominate his surface of choice from the get go. At the peak of Federer's powers, a teenage Nadal with a very simple game could still beat him on clay (and hard).
He got to No. 2 in the world as well as winning his first slam as he turned 19. Since then, the trajectory of his career has only been upward (a part from injury setbacks). And he's never faced a player, who would consistently beat him or even play even with him in the most important tournaments.
Until last year, that is.
Novak Djokovic presented Rafa with the challenge he's gone his whole career without. And so far, while not exactly shying away from it, Rafa has not been able to solve it. To his credit, he's not gone away yet. And he was as close as ever in breaking Djokovic stranglehold in the Australian Open final.
Some of the problem is probably mental, which is why we should reevaluate his mental clutchness, at least ever so slightly.
As many of his matches with Djokovic over the past year bears witness to, Nadal is not the one coming up with the goods when it matters. Many of his fans where shocked by the backhand he put into the net at 30-15, 4-2 in the final set of the Australian Open. Many fans also complained about how he failed at crucial times in their Wimbledon final.
That said, he still wins and saves his fair share of the breakpoints. So it's quite possible that he's almost as mentally clutch as before, but Djokovic is just his equal or better.
Or perhaps Djokovic is just the better tennis player at the moment, which Nadal—mental clutchness or not—can do little about.
Let's also not forget that it's easier to be mental clutch in situations, where you feel you have the upper hand and has the game and the tools to win.
Nadal used to be able to count on the basic truism in men's tennis: the longer the point goes, the longer the match goes, the more I favor my own chances.
That truism is no truism against Novak Djokovic these days—and that is, in my opinion, what robes Nadal of his heralded confidence and clutchness: he's got no safe strategy to fall back on.
In this respect, Djokovic does present a unique challenge to the Nadal psyche.
How does one go on court against a player, who's beaten you seven straight times in a row—and in pretty convincing fashion no less—and still maintain the believe that you will win this time around?
That's the challenge Nadal is up against.
To his advantage, he's got the perfect setting this week in Monte Carlo to right his ship. He's won there every single year since 2005. Djokovic has just made the final once, losing to Nadal in 2009.
Seven straight titles, seven straight defeats. Which one of those numbers will weigh heavier on Nadal's mind if he's to meet Djokovic in the final?
Hopefully, we'll get to see them square off this coming Sunday and find out.
And learn more about the mind of a champion in the process.
barrystar- Posts : 2960
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HMM - very fair comment..
But if you sense a sadness about the situation of an ageing Federer, spare a thought for how diehard fans of Sampras would have felt in Pete's final couple of years on tour (with the notable exception of that very last USO trophy of course).
Pete at Fed's equivalent age was quite often performing like a hapless journeyman compared to the current-day 30 yr old Fed, whose W/L ratio for the last 8 months or so is very possibly (??) the best of any ATP player, regardless of age. Federer, even though not the man he was once in Slams, has yet to have a Bastl moment (or even anything close) in the way that Pete famously did. And perhaps never will ........
But if you sense a sadness about the situation of an ageing Federer, spare a thought for how diehard fans of Sampras would have felt in Pete's final couple of years on tour (with the notable exception of that very last USO trophy of course).
Pete at Fed's equivalent age was quite often performing like a hapless journeyman compared to the current-day 30 yr old Fed, whose W/L ratio for the last 8 months or so is very possibly (??) the best of any ATP player, regardless of age. Federer, even though not the man he was once in Slams, has yet to have a Bastl moment (or even anything close) in the way that Pete famously did. And perhaps never will ........
lags72- Posts : 5018
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Re: Mental Toughness and Nadal
HM Murdoch wrote:barrystar wrote: If someone has a consistent record of winning big tournaments and lots of matches with a good w/l % over their career it's difficult to avoid the notion that they have won or saved loads of bp's, gp's, sp's, mp's and are mentally tough.
Yes, I can certainly accept that.
What frustrates and saddens me about present day Fed is that we as fans look on and see a great player, now in his thirties and at the start of a slow decline, playing younger players in their prime. We attach so many conditions to our expectations i.e. "he needs to win the first set to stand a chance", "he needs to keep the points short", "he needs to serve perfectly". If those conditions aren't met, we know in our heart of hearts that the writing is on the wall and he will likely lose.
I've got the sense over the last 18 months or so (at the slams anyway) that Fed probably feels the same. Maybe it's not realistic to expect him to feel differently but it's still sad to see.
I take your point, but put a blindfold on and consider the record of this player who reached 30 in August 2011:
2010: Slams 1W, 1SF, 2QF; w/l 65/13; 5 wins including 1 Slam, TMF and 1 TMS; y/e 2
2011: Slams 1F, 2SF, 1QF; w/l 64/12; 4 wins including TMF and 1 TMS; y/e 3
2012: (so far) Slams 1SF; w/l 23/3; 3 wins including 1 TMS; rank 3
It's really not that grubby nor that sad, in fact it's absolutely superb. As Fed said, he created a monster and there's no need to judge the 30-yr-old who seems to be enjoying himself as much as ever by that monster. If he can beat anyone else in the top 4 it's a bonus and they aren't taking him lightly.
barrystar- Posts : 2960
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Re: Mental Toughness and Nadal
Barrystar yes, by normal standards he is still great and you are quite right - judging him now against his peak isn't fair.
The disappointment comes from knowing that although 1F, 2SF and 1QF is very good for the 2011 slams, it could have and maybe should have been at least 2F and 2SF. He was 2-0 up on two occasions but ended up losing in 5.
After so many years at the pinnacle of the game, it still feels slightly shocking to see that happen to him.
The disappointment comes from knowing that although 1F, 2SF and 1QF is very good for the 2011 slams, it could have and maybe should have been at least 2F and 2SF. He was 2-0 up on two occasions but ended up losing in 5.
After so many years at the pinnacle of the game, it still feels slightly shocking to see that happen to him.
HM Murdock- Posts : 4749
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HM Murdoch wrote: He was 2-0 up on two occasions but ended up losing in 5.
Stop it you are making me want to cry...
hawkeye- Posts : 5427
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I should admit HM wonderful observation...
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