England (U17's) 28 vs. 24 France (U17's)
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England (U17's) 28 vs. 24 France (U17's)
http://www.rfu.com/News/2012/April/NewsArticles/230412_17s_France.aspx
England Under 17 28 France Under 17 24
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England Under 17 backed up their 33-15 win against Scotland last month with a hard fought four-point 28-24 win against France at Harrow School.
In a topsy-turvy encounter Brett Herron, Tom Howe, George Wacokecoke and Charlie Hewitt scored for England, while Herron added two points with the boot and Josh Sharp six.
France started the brighter though and scored a converted try after a clever kick through but England dominated the half, having two tries disallowed before fly half Brett Herron scored following a good carry and offload from the impressive James Chisholm.
England kept up the pressure, turning down numerous opportunities to kick at goal before Tom Howe rewarded his side with a try after a strong break by skipper Nick Tompkins to make the score 12-7 to England at the break.
The home side started the second half as they had finished the first, attacking the French line and sub Stuart Townsend’s smart kick set up George Wacokecoke to win a foot race and score in the corner to make it 17-7.
France began to retain some possession and got their second try of the afternoon after a nice passage of play and a good conversion from wide out closed the gap to three points. But England pushed again and were rewarded with a penalty in front of the posts converted by Josh Sharpe to make the score 20-14.
The pendulam then looked to have swung in France's favour after England were reduced to 13 men. First Tom Howe was sin binned for a deliberate knock-on before Matt Bolwell was given a yellow card for pulling down the maul. The French pack scored from the resulting lineout through a driving maul to edge in front 21-20.
England managed to maintain their tempo despite the two man disadvantage and were awarded a penalty in front of the posts, converted by Sharp to hand England back the lead. But in another twist, the French reclaimed the advantage after they were given a penalty for offside to go 24-23 up with minutes left.
As the clocked ticked England managed to grab possession and began their charge up the pitch, after considerable pressure on the French line Charlie Hewitt crashed over the whitewash for a tight but deserved victory to round of the Under 17’s unbeaten two game programme.
Coaches John Fletcher, Ian Peel and Pete Walton were delighted with the result and the performance in what was a very physical game. Peel said: “We’ve concentrated on three key themes this season and really drilled those down in to the lads – sometimes you can try and do too much at this age and we felt that it is important to just focus on the three areas highlighted by the national academy coaches.
“We did very little team preparation and told the players that they will be judged on their ability to catch and pass – leading to basic phase shape, ball carry – leading to off load and the breakdown and tackle – leading to ruck defence.”
Fletcher said: “The Under 17 programme underpins what we are trying to do at Under 18 and Under 20 level. The lads have been fantastic all year and deserve the results in both games this season.
"As always it is not just the result, it is the manner of the result. We outplayed a strong French team in most areas and certainly looked more dangerous with the ball in our hands.”
Walton added: “Without wanting to sound like a broken record; the community game, regional academies and the national programmes are working really well.”
Points: Herron 1T, 1C, Howe 1T, Wacokecoke 1T, Hewitt 1T, Sharp 2P
England Under 17 starting XV
15 Richard Mathieson (St Pauls Barnes) (London Wasps)
14 Howard Packman (Moulton College) (Northampton Saints)
13 Nick Tompkins (Oaklands College) (Saracens)
12 Max Clark (Bryanston School) (Bath Rugby)
11 George Wacokecoke (St Joseph’s College) (Northampton Saints)
10 Brett Herron (Wellington College) (London Irish)
9 James Mitchell (Lymm School) (Sale Sharks)
1 Lewis Boyce (MacMillan Academy) (Leeds Carnegie)
2 Matt Beaty (Lancaster Grammar) (Sale Sharks)
3 Luke Chapman (Truro College) (Exeter Chiefs)
4 Jordan Onojaife (Stowe School) (Northampton Saints)
5 Charlie Ewels (Bryanston School) (Bath Rugby)
6 Dan Grange (Prince Henry Grammar School) (Leeds Carnegie)
7 Ellis Genge (Hartpury College) (Bristol Rugby)
8 James Chisholm (Brighton College) (Harlequins)
Replacements
16 Paul Hill (Prince Henry Grammar School) (Leeds Carnegie)
17 Matt Bolwell (Truro College) (Exeter Chiefs)
18 Charlie Hewitt (Ivybridge Community College) (Exeter Chiefs)
19 Jack Walker (Settle School) (Leeds Carnegie)
20 Stuart Townsend (Ivybridge Community College) (Exeter Chiefs)
21 Josh Sharp (Oaklands College) (Saracens)
22 Louis Clayton-Malloy (Harrow School) (London Wasps)
23 Tom Howe (Shiplake College) (London Wasps)
24 Will Owen (Wyggeston & Queen Elizabeth 1st) (Leicester Tigers)
Cumbrian- Posts : 5656
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It’s been an outstanding season for the England age grades. By my reckoning they have only lost one game at any level (U20’s, U18’s & U17’s) and that was the U20’s narrow loss to France away.
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That is an incredible stat!
And for the first time it feels like we may have the right men in place in the top tier of the game to actually take advantage of all this talent and make the England team we've always threatened.
Good to hear Chisholm went well, O'Shea's already talking about him as one for the future.
And for the first time it feels like we may have the right men in place in the top tier of the game to actually take advantage of all this talent and make the England team we've always threatened.
Good to hear Chisholm went well, O'Shea's already talking about him as one for the future.
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Aye and he's ANOTHER young no.8 supplied by quins. That's what? Nick Easter, Tom Guest, Chis York, Joe Trayfoot, Jack Clifford and this lad. It's pretty impessive.
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I think one of the u16 sides (England put out 2) lost to Wales recently, but at age-group level I don't think England have ever been better. The u18 clubs and schools side (separate from the u18s) also recently comfortably beat their Irish counterparts.
Interesting comments about the decision to limit preparation and just focus on basic skills at u17 level.
Interesting comments about the decision to limit preparation and just focus on basic skills at u17 level.
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Just because we're bigger and more physical at this level isn't it? Oh and bigger player pool.
Still, well played to them. Very good they're focusing on basic skills. The most important thing at this level is applying skills and training field moves during an actual game. And of course using this to win the game
Still, well played to them. Very good they're focusing on basic skills. The most important thing at this level is applying skills and training field moves during an actual game. And of course using this to win the game
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Related to Ross? Looking forward to him getting some more first team game time....
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Yep Rosses "little" brother.
Cumbrian if only we were producing that many locks then we would be set, seems everyone wants to be a number 8 these days!
Cumbrian if only we were producing that many locks then we would be set, seems everyone wants to be a number 8 these days!
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those result by england age grades team are indeed impressive but thought England have been dominating Europe at U20 and below forever anyway?
it's only recently that France managed to put together decently trained young players to give England a decent opposition.
it's only recently that France managed to put together decently trained young players to give England a decent opposition.
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yappysnap wrote:Yep Rosses "little" brother.
Cumbrian if only we were producing that many locks then we would be set, seems everyone wants to be a number 8 these days!
There are a fair few rugby siblings out there.
You have Matthews, who I think is a future international, and Twomey so it isn't too bad.
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Yep Rosses "little" brother
Is that the same type of 'little' brother as Alesana's little brother Manu? Does he have any of his brothers pace, as an 8 with that motor and the required power should be on the 7s circuit short term and then into the England under 20s not long after.
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whocares wrote:those result by england age grades team are indeed impressive but thought England have been dominating Europe at U20 and below forever anyway?
it's only recently that France managed to put together decently trained young players to give England a decent opposition.
It's an assumption that people make, but it isn't true (For instance France dominated the U18's tournament until the last two years). England have only really start consistently winning age grade competitions and challenging the Southern Hemisphere teams since 2005 (the generation that contained the like of Dan Cole, Toby Flood, Tom Croft and Dylan Hartley). This was when the RFU academies that were created in the early 2000's started to bear fruit. There has been a criminal waste of young players and resources in the past. However, with the likes of the aforementioned and Corbisiero, Lawes, Youngs, Farrell, Tuilagi and Sharples in the England team, it looks like more players are making the transition from the age grades to full international rugby.
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yappysnap wrote:Yep Rosses "little" brother.
Cumbrian if only we were producing that many locks then we would be set, seems everyone wants to be a number 8 these days!
What? Is George Robson, Charlie Matthews, George Merrick and sam Twomey not enough for you? Give it a few years and I think Merrick and Matthews could form a very useful partnership.
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None of them are that big and nasty though, watch what happens when Kohn isn't around. What ever other teams do to produce the likes of Attwood, Slater etc we need to get on it!
Sam i'm honestly not sure about his turn of pace or anything, as he's U17 it's tricky getting much info other then he's a very bright prospect and that when I saw him trianing he looked pretty stacked!
Sam i'm honestly not sure about his turn of pace or anything, as he's U17 it's tricky getting much info other then he's a very bright prospect and that when I saw him trianing he looked pretty stacked!
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Cumbrian wrote:whocares wrote:those result by england age grades team are indeed impressive but thought England have been dominating Europe at U20 and below forever anyway?
it's only recently that France managed to put together decently trained young players to give England a decent opposition.
It's an assumption that people make, but it isn't true (For instance France dominated the U18's tournament until the last two years). England have only really start consistently winning age grade competitions and challenging the Southern Hemisphere teams since 2005 (the generation that contained the like of Dan Cole, Toby Flood, Tom Croft and Dylan Hartley). This was when the RFU academies that were created in the early 2000's started to bear fruit. There has been a criminal waste of young players and resources in the past. However, with the likes of the aforementioned and Corbisiero, Lawes, Youngs, Farrell, Tuilagi and Sharples in the England team, it looks like more players are making the transition from the age grades to full international rugby.
It was really in 2008 (Dan Cole's year) that we've really dominated. U20 have been in all but one final of the JWC (semi loss to Australia in 2010?) and have generally been there or there abouts in the 6 Nations, with quite a few players missing at clubs. I had a look at the relative performances of the U21 and full international sides in the 6 nations between 2003 and 2008. The U21 won one more game than the full side and I'd hardly say we were particular dominant in the full 6 nations after 2003.
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None of them are that big and nasty though, watch what happens when Kohn isn't around. What ever other teams do to produce the likes of Attwood, Slater etc we need to get on it!
Sam i'm honestly not sure about his turn of pace or anything, as he's U17 it's tricky getting much info other then he's a very bright prospect and that when I saw him trianing he looked pretty stacked!
Fair enough. Slater's signing for Tigers was part luck and part necessity. A Leicester boy living and playing in Aus gets spotted by a Tigers scout and recommended to Nottingham. Injury crisis at Tigers sees him signed on loan only for Cockerill to realise he's a bit handy and then to sign him up on a year long deal which has now been extended by a couple of years. He was supposed to be playing blindside for Notts as well.
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HammerofThunor wrote:Cumbrian wrote:
It's an assumption that people make, but it isn't true (For instance France dominated the U18's tournament until the last two years). England have only really start consistently winning age grade competitions and challenging the Southern Hemisphere teams since 2005 (the generation that contained the like of Dan Cole, Toby Flood, Tom Croft and Dylan Hartley). This was when the RFU academies that were created in the early 2000's started to bear fruit. There has been a criminal waste of young players and resources in the past. However, with the likes of the aforementioned and Corbisiero, Lawes, Youngs, Farrell, Tuilagi and Sharples in the England team, it looks like more players are making the transition from the age grades to full international rugby.
It was really in 2008 (Dan Cole's year) that we've really dominated. U20 have been in all but one final of the JWC (semi loss to Australia in 2010?) and have generally been there or there abouts in the 6 Nations, with quite a few players missing at clubs. I had a look at the relative performances of the U21 and full international sides in the 6 nations between 2003 and 2008. The U21 won one more game than the full side and I'd hardly say we were particular dominant in the full 6 nations after 2003.
Fair enough I stand corrected, but you get the jist of what I was saying.
yappysnap wrote:None of them are that big and nasty though, watch what happens when Kohn isn't around. What ever other teams do to produce the likes of Attwood, Slater etc we need to get on it!
Sam i'm honestly not sure about his turn of pace or anything, as he's U17 it's tricky getting much info other then he's a very bright prospect and that when I saw him trianing he looked pretty stacked!
I dunno, Merrick seems to be a bit of a unit to me. His England profile says he is 6ft 7in & 18st 12lb. So you could take a stone off that straight away, but he is still a big lad for 19.
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Anyone know if Wales have an U17 team?
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A quick google search suggest they have an U16 and some regional U17 teams. I think the only standard international teams are U18 and U20
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