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RU pitch dimensions and the importance of the in-goal area

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Post by Portnoy Mon 30 Apr 2012, 2:13 pm

Why do so many rugby games have such tiny in-goal areas?.

Clearly many matches take part on football-owned pitches which have priority of rights to the ground. And so they may justifiably have objections to have rugby goal post holes to be dug into their normal in-play area.

Is there a minimum ru in-goal area irrespective of the pitch size?

And what is the smallest in-goal depth in rugby?
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Post by red_stag Mon 30 Apr 2012, 2:17 pm

Portnoy, from memory I think there is a law stating the minimum size is 5m deep.
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Post by Portnoy Mon 30 Apr 2012, 2:23 pm

red_stag wrote:Portnoy, from memory I think there is a law stating the minimum size is 5m deep.

What's the minimum length of a pitch Staggy?

5m seems too short in pro rugby,
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Post by doctor_grey Mon 30 Apr 2012, 3:24 pm

From what I remember the in goal is now supposed to be a minimum of 10 metres deep, but a number of stadiums are grandfathered since they are simply out of room. But I can't remember where I heard it. My law book is upstairs, but is too far for me to walk at the moment.

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Post by Portnoy Mon 30 Apr 2012, 3:43 pm

Once again I take personal action I go to the IRB Laws - which are quite rightly set to allow any rugby game to take place.

But gives no guidance (quite rightly) for elite games.

http://www.irblaws.com/downloads/EN/Law_1_EN.pdf

Maybe there should be competition regulations, but the Law indicates a 10m indicates a minimum in-goal depth.

And I suspect that there are many TVed games less than that.
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Post by LondonTiger Mon 30 Apr 2012, 4:23 pm

"The distance from the goal line to the dead ball line should be not less than 10 metres where practicable."

In many cases it is not practicable (is that a word?) to have 10m in goal and the 100m pitch length that they desire.
In goal areas have become smaller as:

a) More matches are played at football pitches
b) Clubs build bigger stands. They rarely have extra land to go backwards, so instead they go forwards.


I notice there are no formal minimums in the laws, only maximums.


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Post by Biltong Wed 02 May 2012, 9:17 am

I've always wondered about those pitches with the short in goal areas, the kick into the in goal area is surely not a viable option if you can't kick accurately enough to gather before the ball is out of play.


Running around to the posts is also limited.
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Post by aucklandlaurie Wed 02 May 2012, 10:32 am

The size of the in goal is very important,bigger ingoals give a bugger area that has to be defended,especially making kicks an extra opportunity to score from.
I must say I think it is the ground that bath plays on is miniscule,They brought Eden Parks back from 22metres to 18metres.

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Post by Portnoy Wed 02 May 2012, 10:54 am

Clearly the obvious answer is that the area of the in-goal area as a proportion of the playing area should be defined in the laws.

But once again that might/will cause terrible consternation and possibly retribution from stadia where footy holds the primacy of the rights.

A rugby request to stick its posts infield of the footy playing area (and the bumps, hollows and faults which would inevitably be created) would be met with short shrift.
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Post by aucklandlaurie Wed 02 May 2012, 11:05 am

Portnoy
Isnt the maximum stated in the Laws?...22 metres.

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Post by Portnoy Wed 02 May 2012, 11:36 am

aucklandlaurie wrote: Portnoy
Isnt the maximum stated in the Laws?...22 metres.

I can't find a Law defining max/min depth of the in-goal area.

Clearly competition rules may define certain locally acceptable preferences which override the deliberately vague Law 1 - and Law 22 doesn't help
http://www.irblaws.com/EN/downloads/
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Post by LondonTiger Wed 02 May 2012, 11:40 am

"Dimensions.
The field of play does not exceed 100 metres in length and 70 metres in
width. Each in-goal does not exceed 22 metres in length and 70 metres in width."


It clearly defines the maximum in the link you provided yesterday.

The minimum is only a recommendation (10m).


This all makes sense as a maximum is easy to work with - whereas a minimum depends on the space available.

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Post by Biltong Wed 02 May 2012, 12:13 pm

Well then the width might also only be a recommendation. Wink

We should make narrower pitches then even less tries can be scored.
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Post by LondonTiger Wed 02 May 2012, 12:22 pm

biltongbek wrote:Well then the width might also only be a recommendation. Wink

We should make narrower pitches then even less tries can be scored.

Pretty sure Sa were accused of doing just that in the not too distant past.

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Post by Biltong Wed 02 May 2012, 12:33 pm

We did? Shocked

I know we made our players wider, but even then they only make up 45 meters width, which still leaves 23 meters space. Whistle
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