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CrippledTart wrote:
By popular demand (Miky), here is a v2 verson of my 606 thread "Ask Me Ref".

As stated on the 606 version, this isn't just for people to ask me questions (I do not consider myself to be the biggest wrestling genius in the world contrary to the impression you get from some of my posts!), it's for people to ask questions and ANYONE who knows the answer to provide it.

This is not an opinion thread, per se. It is for those random wrestling musings you may have had but never got the answer to.

So if there's anything you ever wondered about wrestling, and never knew who to ask, go for it.

Bobby Roode wrote:If Hogan and Bischoff could create their perfect wrestler, who or what would it be like?

Hero wrote:2. Austin.
He’s widely regarded as one of if not the greatest ‘star’ to grace the industry. Whilst Hogan & HHH are often derided by the IWC for using their influence and power backstage, Austin seems above derision. Firstly what abuse of politics has Austin been guilty of, and why does he not fall into the Hogan/HHH category in the eyes of the IWC?

Good question. Steve Austin definitely used his political clout at times, but it was when he thought something was bad for business. Triple H and Hogan have a tendency to bury wrestlers they see as a threat, whereas Austin to my knowledge never acted that way.

He was fiercely protective of his character, and a student of the industry who had a good idea of what was good and bad for business. He was also accused of being paranoid at times.

Austin refused to work programmes with Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn in the summer of 1999. Gunn because he didn't rate him, Jarrett because the two had personal heat over Jarrett criticising the "Austin 3:16" gimmick as blasphemous. There were rumours he wouldn't put over Triple H in 1999 as well, but these are believed to be unfounded (he did a job for him at No Mercy). He also refused to do the job in an unadvertised match with Brock Lesnar on Raw in 2002, arguing that it would be bad for business. Austin's logic was that, as the biggest name in the company, it would have more effect if Brock ran through others on his way to a big PPV showdown between the two, where he would be happy to put Brock over.

The business he did in 1998 and 1999 was phenomenal, and meant that he had no political challengers. However Triple H's ascendance led to tension, and Austin felt insecure in his spot as the top guy. This led to a drastic change around 2000, when he suddenly became harder to work with. Austin did not take well to Vince having a new favourite, and protected his territory any time he felt challenged. He did not last much longer as a full-time main eventer, mainly because of his condition but also largely because the situation had diminished his passion for wrestling.

Another key was Austin's character: He was the toughest guy in the room. He took on all kinds of numbers and usually won. This made incredible money but did not lend itself to putting others over. In fact the WWF didn't want him doing jobs to anyone when they could help it - even tainted ones - while so much money was rolling in. Austin's character was dominant, not just physically but also in that he took up everyone's attention. This was a big plus for the WWF in his peak run, but in his latter years it became a hindrance. As the sheriff, when he was for all intents and purposes retired, he undercut every wrestler he came into contact with. And without great feuds to sink his teeth into, his promos suffered, he relied more on the tired beer drinking routine, and became something of a parody.

Austin didn't boost an awful lot of careers, but it wasn't with malice. Therein lies the difference between him and Triple H or Hogan. For the most part, he did what he thought was right for business.

Crips, first of mate thanks for the answer on Ron simmons very informative, love this thread

With a few exceptions why have none of the major japenese stars ever made it big in the US mainstream?

Muta had a run in wcw and Inoki was involved with wwf but other than these two im struggling to think of any. Why is it the likes of Misawa, Tanahashi, Tenzan, Nagata, Nakamura who are/were all in my opinon far superiors workers than alot of the talent under contract to the wwe/tna have never been given a chance?
is it a culture thing? a language thing? or is it purely just there style of wrestling dosnt fit the generic movesets of the US?

Dave wrote:Just on Adrian Adnois, is he the same guy who played Adrian Streets over here?

No, Adrian Adonis was a wrestler from the 70s to the mid 80s who played a tough guy biker gimmick, most famous for his tag team with Jesse Ventura in the AWA. He went to the WWF during its expansion, and continued the gimmick as an upper midcard heel.

After putting on a significant amount of weight, he was punished by Vince McMahon by being given the gimmick of a flamboyant cross-dresser. However, Adonis did a great job with the character, playing it to the hilt, and was even given his own talk show segment "The Flower Shop", starting a feud with Roddy Piper which culminated at Wrestlemania 3.

Adrian Street was a totally different person who also performed a gay gimmick but I don't know much about him!

Lex-Express wrote:Crips, first of mate thanks for the answer on Ron simmons very informative, love this thread

With a few exceptions why have none of the major japenese stars ever made it big in the US mainstream?

Muta had a run in wcw and Inoki was involved with wwf but other than these two im struggling to think of any. Why is it the likes of Misawa, Tanahashi, Tenzan, Nagata, Nakamura who are/were all in my opinon far superiors workers than alot of the talent under contract to the wwe/tna have never been given a chance?
is it a culture thing? a language thing? or is it purely just there style of wrestling dosnt fit the generic movesets of the US?

I think it's all of the things you listed.

There's no denying some of the best wrestlers of all time have been Japanese. However, the Japanese style rarely translates to the American wrestling scene.

I think a large part of the reason is that American wrestling, particularly WWE, has a heavy emphasis on promos. A Japanese wrestler may speak good English, but might struggle with the intricacies of cutting a promo in English, getting the tone right, etc.

Another reason is that, while wrestling has always used the concept of the foreign heel, Japan hasn't been an enemy of America for a long time. In the 60s, 70s and 80s, the foreign heel de jour was Russian, with the occasional middle eastern character thrown in. Since the fall of communism, there hasn't been anything to take its place, except for the occasional middle eastern heel; there have been far less foreign heels in the last 10-20 years than there were before (not including the likes of Sheamus, Drew Macintyre, etc, whose nationality isn't a major part of their characters). In addition, all of those nationalities were often played by Americans; it's not so easy for an American to play a Japanese person!

It also comes down to comfort levels, both for the promoters and the audience. WWE, and the NWA/WCW before that, very rarely featured genuine foreigners as regular main eventers. If you're not going to seriously push a Japanese wrestler, why bother utilising them in the midcard? There are plenty of American wrestlers right on your doorstep who can be used in the midcard. Given that WWE particularly has never put an emphasis on great wrestling moves and matches, they just wouldn't see an exciting Japanese midcarder as a priority. And given that Japanese wrestling has never been particularly about great bodies or size, a lot of Japanese wrestlers don't look the part as far as WWE is concerned, however great their matches.

Finally, wrestling is such a huge deal in Japan. I'm sure that many, if not most Japanese wrestlers would much rather make their name in their home country than in the US. Japan has a huge wrestling scene, only comparable with America and Mexico in the world for exposure and legacy. If you're a wrestler from outside Japan or Mexico, your dream is to make it big in the US; if you're a wrestler from Japan or Mexico, your dream is likely to be to make it in Japan or Mexico. Being a Japanese wrestling star has all the benefits of being a star in the US - money, respect, fame - with the added bonus that the Japanese treat wrestling far more seriously, as a true art form and not a joke. Given that wrestling is presented so differently in Japan, with much less of the light-heartedness and "humour" in the US, many would see a move to WWE or TNA as a step down.

Wonderful answer cripps. On a similar theme, will language issues stop del Rio rising to the very top of the WWE? While his English is excellent it is obvious it is not his first language.

Also, why didn't he wear his mask in the WWE, I thought they had special significance to Mexican wrestlers?

JoshSansom wrote:Wonderful answer cripps. On a similar theme, will language issues stop del Rio rising to the very top of the WWE? While his English is excellent it is obvious it is not his first language.

Also, why didn't he wear his mask in the WWE, I thought they had special significance to Mexican wrestlers?

WWE doesn't like having too many masked wrestlers. They see one masked wrestler as a unique gimmick that can be used to sell merchandise, but don't want a whole roster of them. In fact it might be coincidence, but it took just a few months after Rey Mysterio's arrival in the company for Kane to be unmasked.

The company sees body language and facial expressions as a major part of a wrestlers' act. It is often said that WWE wrestlers are told to play to Row Z, ie over-exagerrate so that even the fans in the back row can get into the performance.

It's also worth noting that Del Rio has excellent facial expressions, which were wasted under a mask. The company may have just felt he was more valuable unmasked.

I think his promos are just fine, and unlikely to stop him making it to the top. While English isn't his first language, he speaks it fluently and with charisma; he sounds like he's cutting a promo in a thick foreign accent, rather than speaking a foreign language, if you know what I mean.

I remember reading in Bret Hart's book about the controversy over his final contract with the WWF. I remember being suprised with the length of the contract (Off the top of my head 10 years?). Is this length of contract the norm in pro wrestling or was it more indicative of Hart's status in the company and the situation at the time (WWF & WCW competing to sign each other's talent)?

Thanks

This thread is excellent by the way

Bonesaw's ready wrote:I remember reading in Bret Hart's book about the controversy over his final contract with the WWF. I remember being suprised with the length of the contract (Off the top of my head 10 years?). Is this length of contract the norm in pro wrestling or was it more indicative of Hart's status in the company and the situation at the time (WWF & WCW competing to sign each other's talent)?

Thanks

No, it isn't normal. It was unprecedented, and indicative of Vince's desperation to keep Bret and inability to compete with WCW financially. WCW at the time was paying huge money, and offered Bret $9m to sign a three-year contract with them. The WWF was in dire financial straits at the time, and Vince couldn't possibly match it. So he offered Bret a $9m 20-year contract, with (I believe) the first three years as a wrestler on around $1.5m a year, and the rest in the office.

Bret has always claimed that money was not his motivation, and he much preferred the chance to stay with the WWF, with a job for life. However, Vince decided a year later that he no longer wanted to honour the deal, leading to the Montreal screwjob. I'd say it's likely to be the only 20-year contract you'll ever see in wrestling.

I agree with this thread being excellent. Here's a question;

How do you know so much?
What do you do for a living?
Why isn't it pro-wrestling historian?

Brock Lesnar is one of my all time favourites. Due to the huge impact he had during his 2 year run in WWE. To win the WWE Title against The Rock at Summerslam. To win the KOTR. To win the Royal Rumble. To win the WWE Title against Kurt Angle in the main event of Wrestlemania. To beat Taker in a Hell in a Cell. All in a 2 year run, is nothing short of amazing.

What are people's opinion of him in WWE? Amongst the likes of Taker, HHH etc. And the higher ups of the company. Vince etc. Do they see him as someone who could have had everything and threw it in their faces. Or as someone they see as a future hall of famer because of the impact he had?

Electric Demon wrote:I agree with this thread being excellent. Here's a question;

How do you know so much?
What do you do for a living?
Why isn't it pro-wrestling historian?

I was wondering all this myself

UpsideDownFace wrote:Brock Lesnar is one of my all time favourites. Due to the huge impact he had during his 2 year run in WWE. To win the WWE Title against The Rock at Summerslam. To win the KOTR. To win the Royal Rumble. To win the WWE Title against Kurt Angle in the main event of Wrestlemania. To beat Taker in a Hell in a Cell. All in a 2 year run, is nothing short of amazing.

What are people's opinion of him in WWE? Amongst the likes of Taker, HHH etc. And the higher ups of the company. Vince etc. Do they see him as someone who could have had everything and threw it in their faces. Or as someone they see as a future hall of famer because of the impact he had?

Brock is an interesting one. In someways his legacy is all the better because he didn't stick around too long. Came in, ran roit, had three title runs and left. If he had stayed longer his impact (excuse the pun) may have been lessened.

In terms of the way he is received in WWE I suspect a lot of people were very upset. He was their next big star and they invested a huge amount of time into him. Remember that the way Sheamus etc have won titles was pioneered by Lesnar - no-one did that kind of thing otherwise, going in straight as a main eventer (Kane aside and that was gimmick driven).

I think that they were very upset when that investment was lost and there was a very bitten legal wrangle afterwards when Lesnar wanted to wrestle in Japan.

As some have said on the board previously, it is probably the reason new talent isn't pushed until they have proven their dedication to the business and the WWE. They don't want their fingers burned again.

Just posted a similar thing on the nasty boyz/ macho thread.

I remember reading years ago that Ken Shamrock and the nasty Boyz had a real life altercation - any details. From my memory, they jumped Shamrock but when he finally caught up with them (Iat an airport I think) he Muppet them down big time.

Thats from memory -would love the proper story!

JoshSansom wrote:

UpsideDownFace wrote:Brock Lesnar is one of my all time favourites. Due to the huge impact he had during his 2 year run in WWE. To win the WWE Title against The Rock at Summerslam. To win the KOTR. To win the Royal Rumble. To win the WWE Title against Kurt Angle in the main event of Wrestlemania. To beat Taker in a Hell in a Cell. All in a 2 year run, is nothing short of amazing.

What are people's opinion of him in WWE? Amongst the likes of Taker, HHH etc. And the higher ups of the company. Vince etc. Do they see him as someone who could have had everything and threw it in their faces. Or as someone they see as a future hall of famer because of the impact he had?

Brock is an interesting one. In someways his legacy is all the better because he didn't stick around too long. Came in, ran roit, had three title runs and left. If he had stayed longer his impact (excuse the pun) may have been lessened.

In terms of the way he is received in WWE I suspect a lot of people were very upset. He was their next big star and they invested a huge amount of time into him. Remember that the way Sheamus etc have won titles was pioneered by Lesnar - no-one did that kind of thing otherwise, going in straight as a main eventer (Kane aside and that was gimmick driven).

I think that they were very upset when that investment was lost and there was a very bitten legal wrangle afterwards when Lesnar wanted to wrestle in Japan.

As some have said on the board previously, it is probably the reason new talent isn't pushed until they have proven their dedication to the business and the WWE. They don't want their fingers burned again.

It's been made worse by Lashley as well, as they seemed to want to do the same with Lashley, it was a bit slower but you always felt he was being pushed to the top but when he got there he left and once again all that effort had been wasted. If you look at Sheamus and Swagger now, where they've had to spend months being mid-card or even worse than mid-card that's the result of Lesnar and Lashley, they're making sure Sheamus and Swagger will stick around for the long term, unfortunatly I think they tried this with people like MVP and it got too much for him so he just left.

I would never have worked with Lashley tho, the guy was well built granted but he had zero charisma, nowhere near the skill level needed to be anywhere near the main event and couldnt cut a decent promo to safe his life. Lashley in my view is one of the most over rated wrasslers ever, if it wasnt for his muscleman figure i think he wouldnt have even made it out of OVW/FCW.

He proved in Tna when they tried to push him to the top that he just aint got it. Lashley is a no talent piece of poopie that should not be anywhere near a wrestling ring, now he is doing mma i give him 5 fights before he gets his face caved in and walks away tail between his legs

as u may have grasped i do not like bobby lashley

But WWE wanted to push him anyway, he's about at the same level as Batista; who is probably the only person who can rival Cena in terms of being pushed in WWE since around 2005.

What famous storylines were cut short or changed in the last decade (since I've been watching)

Was there ever any backstage drama with the Divas. Why did Jazz never become a star?

InTheFastLane wrote:What famous storylines were cut short or changed in the last decade (since I've been watching)

Was there ever any backstage drama with the Divas. Why did Jazz never become a star?

The 'Who's Vince McMahon's illegitimate Child?' storyline was apparantly suppose to be Mr Kennedy who was then suppose to get a push to main event and a possible run at the title but he ended up failing a drugs test from what I gather. It eventually turned out to be Hornswoggle which made the storyline A) A waste of time and B) Stopped Mr Kennedy's momentum to the top which he never recovered from.

Mr McMahon's death was stopped because of Chris Benoit commiting suicide.

greggschickenbake wrote:

InTheFastLane wrote:What famous storylines were cut short or changed in the last decade (since I've been watching)

Was there ever any backstage drama with the Divas. Why did Jazz never become a star?

The 'Who's Vince McMahon's illegitimate Child?' storyline was apparantly suppose to be Mr Kennedy who was then suppose to get a push to main event and a possible run at the title but he ended up failing a drugs test from what I gather. It eventually turned out to be Hornswoggle which made the storyline A) A waste of time and B) Stopped Mr Kennedy's momentum to the top which he never recovered from.

Mr McMahon's death was stopped because of Chris Benoit commiting suicide.

It was the situation over the botch with Orton that got Kennedy fired that halted this as well I believe...

That's one I was aware of

The botch with Orton was a long time after the illegitimate child storyline. He got fired well after that.

Apparently the death of McMahon was also supposed to have come down to Kennedy, at one point they were desperate to push him, he got the Money in the Bank as well, but he kept getting injured and eventually peed off Orton.

Hobo wrote:Just posted a similar thing on the nasty boyz/ macho thread.

I remember reading years ago that Ken Shamrock and the nasty Boyz had a real life altercation - any details. From my memory, they jumped Shamrock but when he finally caught up with them (Iat an airport I think) he Muppet them down big time.

Thats from memory -would love the proper story!

Anyone?

This is from wikipedia Hobo, but I assume they got the story from some wrestler's account of what happened;

Ken Shamrock had an argument with Knobbs after he had harassed his friend and his friend's fiancée in a nightclub. Later that night, Shamrock went to The Nasty Boys' hotel room to continue the argument. After banging on the door several times, Saggs went to answer only to be knocked backwards as Shamrock forced his way into the room and began attacking Knobbs, who was unconscious due to being intoxicated. Shamrock was then dragged off by Saggs, and both Knobbs who had woken up and Saggs fought back, which left Shamrock hospitalised.

invincibleILeak (CL-6WF) wrote:This is from wikipedia Hobo, but I assume they got the story from some wrestler's account of what happened;

Ken Shamrock had an argument with Knobbs after he had harassed his friend and his friend's fiancée in a nightclub. Later that night, Shamrock went to The Nasty Boys' hotel room to continue the argument. After banging on the door several times, Saggs went to answer only to be knocked backwards as Shamrock forced his way into the room and began attacking Knobbs, who was unconscious due to being intoxicated. Shamrock was then dragged off by Saggs, and both Knobbs who had woken up and Saggs fought back, which left Shamrock hospitalised.

I bet that was edited by Knobs!

I am sure that I read an interview with Shamrock in powerslam years ago and he said that he was lured into a trap and blindsided by one of them. He then caught up with them at an airport and they begged for mercy and chickened out of any real scrap.

As I said, thats from memory of an interview from years ago - thanks for looking it up though!

Hobo wrote:

I bet that was edited by Knobs!

I am sure that I read an interview with Shamrock in powerslam years ago and he said that he was lured into a trap and blindsided by one of them. He then caught up with them at an airport and they begged for mercy and chickened out of any real scrap.

As I said, thats from memory of an interview from years ago - thanks for looking it up though!

From most sources I've read The Nasty Boys were legit tough guys, and the tight confines of a hotel room it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the two of them could have got the better of Shamrock. Of course, one-on-one neither would have a chance, and it's perfectly understandable they'd back down from him in an airport full of security where they'd be arrested and charged in a heartbeat.

I did look a bit further into it, but they all seemed to be that same story.

I'm a big Shawn Michaels fan.

In my opinion the most complete performer ever.
He walked the walk and talked the talk.

There are plenty of stories about his back stage antics pre injury and how much of a tool he was.

Does anyone have any info on whether he acted like his old manipulating self after his comeback from injury after the 4 years out?

As I say I'm a big fan of him as a performer but don't buy into the born again Christian thing completely.

I do believe he sorted himself out big time in regards of the drugs and putting people over but I bet the ego still had major part to play backstage.

Any stories/rumours?

Cheers

Did Jerry Lawler ever hide under the ring during a rumble? I'm pretty sure he did but not 100%.

Yeah he did back in 1996.

Cheers

When and why did WWE ditch the old Jim Johnston compositions for wrestler's entrances, in favour of actual songs?

Is Jim Johnston dead?

Flying visit to the office today. I'm off work for the next week so won't be posting much if at all. Couple of answers before I go...

“Here's a question;

How do you know so much?
What do you do for a living?
Why isn't it pro-wrestling historian?”

I’m the same with football. If I’m interested in something, I take in everything I read about it, or hear about it, or watch. I can tell you every FA cup winner or league champion since 1970 just off the top of my head; I never practised it or anything, I just know it because it’s sunk into my brain! I’ve been interested in the backstage aspect of wrestling for well over a decade, fascinated, and eager to find out as much as I can about the industry, and that’s a lot of books, a lot of hours browsing the internet, and a lot of podcasts.

I’d like to be a pro wrestling historian, but I’m not sure how you get a job like that, or how many pro wrestling historian jobs there are! It’s important to also stress that there are huge chunks of wrestling history I know nothing about. I have never followed the Japanese or Mexican scenes; I’d never heard of Sin Cara or Del Rio before they were signed by WWE. I don’t know a great deal about wrestling from the 60s or 70s or earlier. But most people on this board don’t care about that stuff anyway, so it’s all good.

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“What famous storylines were cut short or changed in the last decade (since I've been watching)
Was there ever any backstage drama with the Divas. Why did Jazz never become a star?”

The illegitimate child and Vince’s death (which were both conceived, so to speak, in order to push Mr Kennedy) are the most famous. There is one going on right now though. The Anonymous GM storyline was all planned out in the beginning, presumably with the revelation that he/she was the mastermind of Nexus, but WWE dropped the angle for some reason. Hence why we now have the strange situation of an Anonymous GM whose identity is seemingly never of any concern to the wrestlers or the commentators. It is my belief that either Shawn Michaels or Triple H were originally pencilled in to be the GM, but changed their mind, leaving the whole angle, and the Nexus faction, in their present states of limbo.

There have been many backstage dramas involving the divas! Usually they are jealousy issues; one not being happy about another's push, etc. Also it is an open secret that some divas have, to an extent, slept their way to the top. WWE is run by middle aged men with the minds of teenagers; weilding so much power over the careers of beautiful young women is a dream scenario for certain people, and some abuse that power. Furthermore, the women's locker room has similar rules, many unwritten, as the men's locker room. Respect for the business and each other is paramount. Any sign of ego is looked down upon; Melina, much like The Miz, was banished from the locker room for displaying a big ego early in her career.

Why did Jazz never make it to the top? Well, firstly because WWE values looks over wrestling ability. Also, Jazz came along pretty soon after WWE had its fingers burnt by the situations with Sable and Chyna, and the company was very reluctant to push women wrestlers at that time, especially headstrong characters. Ultimately, I think they just didn't see enough "it factor" in her that made it worth the risk of pushing her.

Is Wrestling fixed?

Michaels, Sean wrote:Is Wrestling fixed?

No it still has many of the same problems has it always has done. Huge egos, drug abuse etc.

Until these are addressed by both WWE and TNA, then wrestling will never be fixed

Michaels, Sean wrote:Is Wrestling fixed?

Well, I suppose it depends what sense you mean "fixed"... are the results predetermined? Well, yes. Is it fixed in that politiking continues to run through organisations and people seek to maintain their own positions? Almost certainly. Is it fixed in terms of the problems of the past being removed? Probably not, if just have a more acceptable image at the moment.

I read on one of the forums that the orginal idea for wrestlemania 2000 was triple H vs the the rock but the rock messed up the ending in the royal rumble is that true ?

aemili2 wrote:I read on one of the forums that the orginal idea for wrestlemania 2000 was triple H vs the the rock but the rock messed up the ending in the royal rumble is that true ?

Yeah, Rock was supposed to "do a Michaels" at the end but his feet dropped at the end of the Royal Rumble, hence it was quickly re-written as the four way elimination match with all the McMahon's

JoshSansom wrote:

aemili2 wrote:I read on one of the forums that the orginal idea for wrestlemania 2000 was triple H vs the the rock but the rock messed up the ending in the royal rumble is that true ?

Yeah, Rock was supposed to "do a Michaels" at the end but his feet dropped at the end of the Royal Rumble, hence it was quickly re-written as the four way elimination match with all the McMahon's

This may well be true and I have no doubt people are right but it has always confused me. The Rock and Big Show had a match at no way out which Show won. If the plan was Rock/ HHH then the Rock would have won that match. My guess would be that that Vince was impressed by Foleys reaction over the past few months and Big Show was put it to even out a fatal 4 way (2 faces 2 heels)

Hey Cripple Tart,
love the article, here is a question having watched the legends of wrestling discussion on the worst characters in wrestling who would you have as your top 5 worst characters and why?

Thats more of an opinion based question mate and this is a factual based topic, it would make a great article on its own though

Michael Tarver, what was the plan?

this week we saw Eric Young utilise green mist to defeat Anderson. We've seen Mysterio & Tajiri use it in the past, how do they manage to do it?

psycho-gooner wrote:this week we saw Eric Young utilise green mist to defeat Anderson. We've seen Mysterio & Tajiri use it in the past, how do they manage to do it?

I would assume a capsule of liquid (food colouring and water maybe??) that they bite down on and spit out.

hey, watched the self destruction of the warrior and 1 thing i never got was how peeved hogan was during a promo he done in wcw. hogan said it was the ultimate no no. i still dont see what he done wrong?

heres a link, starts at 3 mins. cheers

https://www.youtube.com/user/elprieto963#p/a/u/1/wMEsOWExaM8

Hogan was annoyed because Warrior told him he couldn't beat him, Hogan felt he shouldn't say that because the fans had to believe Hogan could beat him to buy the PPV, to be honest it summed up the complete BS straw clutching this DVD was quickly reduced to

Cheers gaffer, aye pretty lame. What else is he gonna say, yeah you will probs beat me.

Great thread btw

hey tart thanks for reply, will check to see if anyone has done article before.
ill ask this then.

With all the back and forth fued between Warrior and hogan on twitter etc lately any reason why these two fell out?
Was it because of the self destruction dvd or has there always been heat?

In bret harts book he mentions that he was asked by hbk if we wanted to join the kliq( or a group who looked for each other) . I no he refused because he didnt like there pill popping life style. But how different do you thing wrestling would have been in 1996 and 1997 if Bret was part of the kliq ?

Can you give me any examples of Vince not being happy with what someone has said on the mic and has led them to ultimately be punished for it? Like mentioning a ex WWE wrestlers name that Vince does not like for example? Any situations that stand out?

Good question Miky. I'd like to read the answer to that