Rabbo Pro 12 Final thread(Teams included)

by LordDowlais Mon 14 May - 9:55

First topic message reminder :

Right, now, we know the teams, we know the venue, how do we think this one will pan out ? Although there is less at stake, I think that this game will be a lot better than HC final, and with Leinster having home advantage, it is hard to look past a Leinster win, but the Ospreys have been to the RDS this season and won so they will not fear going to Dublin, also Tandy has come in and breathed fresh air into the squad, but I still think Leinster will win but it will be very close, probably just a score in it. So I am going for Leinster by 3pts. Sad

LEINSTER:

15: Rob Kearney 14: Fergus McFadden 13: Brian O'Driscoll 12: Gordon D'Arcy 11: Isa Nacewa 10: Jonathan Sexton 9: Eoin Reddan

1: Heinke van der Merwe 2: Sean Cronin 3: Mike Ross 4: Leo Cullen CAPTAIN 5: Devin Toner 6: Kevin McLaughlin 7: Shane Jennings 8: Jamie Heaslip

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Richardt Strauss 17: Cian Healy/Jack McGrath 18: Nathan White 19: Brad Thorn 20: Dominic Ryan 21: John Cooney 22: Ian Madigan 23: David Kearney

OSPREYS:

15 Richard Fussell
14 Hanno Dirksen
13 Andrew Bishop
12 Ashley Beck
11 Shane Williams
10 Dan Biggar
9 Rhys Webb
1 Paul James
2 Richard Hibbard
3 Adam Jones
4 Alun Wyn Jones (Capt)
5 Ian Evans
6 Ryan Jones
7 Justin Tipuric
8 Joe Bearman
Replacements:
16 Scott Baldwin
17 Ryan Bevington
18 Aaron Jarvis
19 James King
20 Tom Smith
21 Kahn Fotuali'i
22 Matthew Morgan
23 Tom Isaacs[/quote]

by Morgannwg Sun 27 May - 20:01

tecphobe wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:
tecphobe wrote:first of congratulations to the ospreys. I'm not a Leinster fan so have no axe to grind. I thought Leinster missed Brad thorn in the scrums. I've also very rarely even seen a match were 2 players from the same side were yellowed for scrum offences. I'm also seriously surprised that the Ospreys didn't end up with a man in the bin for a number of breakdown offences. The yellow cards essentially decided the game playing with 14 men for 20 mins in that heat against a top level side proved too much. I also thing that the try the Ospreys got in the second half from the line out may of featured a couple of forward passes. All in all it was a very enjoyable match to watch. I still think however that Leinster are by far the best side in the Rabo as was illustrated by the fact that they nearly snatched it at the end

That old cliche. I'm not Irish-biased but, but, but..... yawn. I think Ospreys are the best team in the Rabo, by far. Munster and Leinster beaten 3 times in the year with their name on the trophy for a record 4th time. Not sure how one could say they aren't!
I live in Cardiff support Munster i'm not a Leinster fan. So what part of what i said isnt true? Leinster missed Brad Thorn in the scrums undoubtedly true. Its rare for a side to get 2 guys yellowed for scrum offences true or false ? That the yellows cards decided the match? hard to dispute as the opsrey's scored 17 points when Leinster were down to 14. The fact that i believe Leinster are the best side in the Rabo is the only part of that which is subjective i.e my opinion. The rest of it is based on fact

Yeah, Irish biased. The "I'm not a Leinster fan I'm a Munster so I'm unbiased but they (insert Welsh team) got away with murder and the ref was poor for both sides" is such a bad cliche used by you lot. On the subject of yellows, Leinster should have had more in both halves so count your lucky stars!

by Pot Hale Sun 27 May - 20:15

Great game today. Leinster were cleverly robbed by Ospreys who stole it at the death. If Leinster hadn't been tiring their players out with those European cup thingy games over the last few weeks, maybe they might have won the thing.

They'll know better next season, crash out early and concentrate on winning the league. Tandy knew what he was doing, Schmidt has a lot to learn.

by **rodders** Sun 27 May - 20:17

rugbydreamer wrote:
rodders wrote:Ospreys played some nice stuff dreamer but they set their stall out with the scrummaging. Very poor sportsmanship.

Completely disagree Rodders. Sorry but I think you just highlighting the scrums and not commenting more on all the rugby the O's did play (which was a heck of a lot) is doing them a big disservice.

THat was a cracking final with a load of tries, from some great play. There was more to it than scrums. Poite might have got one of the yellows wrong but as has been pointed out, he could easily have yellowed Reddan for a high tackle on Shane. (And Ryan and AWJ could also have seen yellows too for some of their infringements)

THat's the way the game pans out.

Leinster had a big lead and let it slip, credit where it's due to the O's I think.

Fair play dreamer. Apolgies to the Ospreys fans for earlier Hug

.

The Ospreys played some excellent rugby and were good for the win. They are very worthy champions clap

.

by tecphobe Sun 27 May - 20:18

Which part of what i sad was untrue? Your troling as usual you cant argue the point so resort to personal attacks. Munster weren't playing so makes no odds to me who won. I was merely sharing my observations as a neutral supporter. If i was being biased i would claim that the ospreys were inspired by playing in front of a full house rather than empty seats or perhaps the irish sides dont take the league seriously something like that would be biased and in line with your standard of posting.

by GunsGerms Sun 27 May - 20:21

Seriously? AWJ blatantly playing the ball on the ground in front of the ref could easily have been yellow. Also O'S came round the back of a Leinster mall and tackled the ball carrier which was as clear a yellow as they come. Finally given that Leinsters second yellow was the result of A Jones collapsing the scrum again he is extremely fortunate to play 80 minutes. All in all I'd say the ospreys are pretty lucky to not lose a man or two to the bin.

by **Notch** Sun 27 May - 20:27

leinsterbaby wrote:Seriously? AWJ blatantly playing the ball on the ground in front of the ref could easily have been yellow. Also O'S came round the back of a Leinster mall and tackled the ball carrier which was as clear a yellow as they come. Finally given that Leinsters second yellow was the result of A Jones collapsing the scrum again he is extremely fortunate to play 80 minutes. All in all I'd say the ospreys are pretty lucky to not lose a man or two to the bin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPVLyB0Yc6I

Thats the way it goes eh? Leinster were unlucky but still can hold their heads high as the best side in Europe. They won the biggest one of them all, twice in a row. Would have been nice to have topped it off with a double, but Ospreys know how to play Leinster and were good value for it in the end.

by SecretFly Sun 27 May - 20:29

Morgannwg wrote:
That old cliche. I'm not Irish-biased but, but, but..... yawn. I think Ospreys are the best team in the Rabo, by far. Munster and Leinster beaten 3 times in the year with their name on the trophy for a record 4th time. Not sure how one could say they aren't!

2005 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 16 games to Munster's 15
2007 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 14 games to Cardiff Blue's 13
2010 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 13 games won to Osprey's 11. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 14 wins from Osprey's 13. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year Wink

2012 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 17 games won to Osprey's 15. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 18 wins from Osprey's 17. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year Wink

When you win the playoffs you have a right to the Cup and the plaudits... but some of us will still think most games won in any given season is pretty strong currency in any sport. Wink

by Glas a du Sun 27 May - 20:36

The play offs are a good thing.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 20:43

Ospreys are the best team in europe now according to some posters...

by SecretFly Sun 27 May - 20:47

Glas a du wrote:The play offs are a good thing.

Good for you - you like them, I don't Glas. No, not just because Leinster are losing them... I said the same last year when Munster ran away with the league. I felt it cheapened their efforts to think Leinster might steal the title of 'best' Pro12 side that year from them - I was happy with the result - and I'm from Leinster.

But at the same time I honour the process that creates the winners now. I salute Ospreys as a really good - a really, really good side, who have won a competition based on rules every side in the league agrees to. It's just when the crowing needlessly gets directed into areas that leave a sour taste in my mouth, I comment.

by GunsGerms Sun 27 May - 20:47

Glas a du wrote:The play offs are a good thing.

I agree, it doesn't matter who tops the table you need to win the final. I do think Leinster did enough and were good enough to win today but it didn't go their way this time. Just means they will have to win three in a row to win a double. How special would it be if we could play both finals at our two homes.

by Feckless Rogue Sun 27 May - 21:02

The playoffs are good for the league. I remember some really uninteresting endings to the Celtic League, where it was over with matches to spare and nobody cared about the last few results. The only argument against them is that it adds more games to a congested season. But it makes the competition better.

Winning the double is tough. It's hardly ever done by anyone for a reason. The coaches of Toulouse and Clermont have publicly said it's next to impossible to do a Europe/domestic double when the league as play offs. Leinster came close. 1 point. Against a great team, who had an extra week to prepare. And in all honesty, I think we would have won if any other ref in Europe was in charge.

We'll just have to try and win it again next year.

by Shifty Sun 27 May - 21:03

Feckless Rogue wrote:leinsterbaby, I don't know if Jones cheated at the scrums. I actually think very few people know what they're on about in there. I think it's funny, and convenient, that all the Welsh people are so sure that Jones did nothing wrong and all the Irish are so sure that he was cheating. I ye really sure?

But we always get into this scrummaging mess with Poite. I think it was a very even game. The fact is Leinster lost by a point. So it's obvious the Leinster side are gonna be upset about Poite and the scrummaging. I was also astonished that the 2nd yellow came without warning. That's unusual.

All we can do is accept the result though guys. Leinster are Europe's number 1 team still. Osprey's got the result. There was a bit of controversy. But there's no room on the trophy to engrave the pro's and con's of Poite's performance in detail. And we have at least two chances for revenge next year. That's the beauty of sport. It never ends.

Mike ruddock explained how The Leinster loose head was cheating early on and how his illegal tecnique was causing problems, for Adam Jones. he even said how it could be spotted, it's possible someone pointed this out to the ref after half time, which resulted in a lot of penalties for the Ospreys.

by Shifty Sun 27 May - 21:05

I don't like the play offs myself, winning a league is about being consistent, winning a cup is about performing in a one off game.

The play offs turn a situation where you have to be consistent, into a situation where its about turning up on the day.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 21:19

Osprey fans are never going let us hear the end of this victory are they...

by SecretFly Sun 27 May - 21:22

Ah they're ok. They're happy. Leinster will be kicking themselves now that they didn't celebrate the HEC more last weekend! Now they just don't have the stomach for it. That's sport.... "I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now!"

by GunsGerms Sun 27 May - 21:29

AlynDavies wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:leinsterbaby, I don't know if Jones cheated at the scrums. I actually think very few people know what they're on about in there. I think it's funny, and convenient, that all the Welsh people are so sure that Jones did nothing wrong and all the Irish are so sure that he was cheating. I ye really sure?

But we always get into this scrummaging mess with Poite. I think it was a very even game. The fact is Leinster lost by a point. So it's obvious the Leinster side are gonna be upset about Poite and the scrummaging. I was also astonished that the 2nd yellow came without warning. That's unusual.

All we can do is accept the result though guys. Leinster are Europe's number 1 team still. Osprey's got the result. There was a bit of controversy. But there's no room on the trophy to engrave the pro's and con's of Poite's performance in detail. And we have at least two chances for revenge next year. That's the beauty of sport. It never ends.

Mike ruddock explained how The Leinster loose head was cheating early on and how his illegal tecnique was causing problems, for Adam Jones. he even said how it could be spotted, it's possible someone pointed this out to the ref after half time, which resulted in a lot of penalties for the Ospreys.

Is that why Adam Jones kept collapsing the scrum?

by **rodders** Sun 27 May - 21:29

Its exceptionally difficult to do the double. Leinster are the best team in Europe and today doesn't change that.

The Ospreys are a fantastic side though and 3 wins over Leinster is no fluke nor is the way they destroyed Munster. Today is their day in the sun.

It will be interesting to see how the Ospreys go in Europe next season.

by Standulstermen Sun 27 May - 21:41

Only saw it in spurts. The final scrum call was a poor one though as the o's prop lost his bind. They look so much more dangerous now though. I think the league I shaping up nicely for next season. A resurgent ospreys, the European champions and runners up, An HEC semi finalist and a new look munster not to mention the rest of the teams.

Hopefully a new more competitive Italian outfit, to go along with the improving treviso will add aswell.

Congrats ospreys.

by Intotouch Sun 27 May - 21:45

Super match. Really exciting. Well done Ospreys!

by Morgannwg Sun 27 May - 21:47

tecphobe wrote:Which part of what i sad was untrue? Your troling as usual you cant argue the point so resort to personal attacks. Munster weren't playing so makes no odds to me who won. I was merely sharing my observations as a neutral supporter. If i was being biased i would claim that the ospreys were inspired by playing in front of a full house rather than empty seats or perhaps the irish sides dont take the league seriously something like that would be biased and in line with your standard of posting.

It (munster) was just an example you Holly Wilaboobie. Anyone would think being on the recieving end 3 times in a year would make it blatantly bloody obvious but there's always one I guess.

by Morgannwg Sun 27 May - 21:50

SecretFly wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:
That old cliche. I'm not Irish-biased but, but, but..... yawn. I think Ospreys are the best team in the Rabo, by far. Munster and Leinster beaten 3 times in the year with their name on the trophy for a record 4th time. Not sure how one could say they aren't!

2005 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 16 games to Munster's 15
2007 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 14 games to Cardiff Blue's 13
2010 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 13 games won to Osprey's 11. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 14 wins from Osprey's 13. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year
2012 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 17 games won to Osprey's 15. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 18 wins from Osprey's 17. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year

When you win the playoffs you have a right to the Cup and the plaudits... but some of us will still think most games won in any given season is pretty strong currency in any sport.

Haven't the slightest what your on....

Although it appears you are just bitter and just dislike play-offs because Leinster keep losing them Wink

.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 21:53

Morgannwg wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:
That old cliche. I'm not Irish-biased but, but, but..... yawn. I think Ospreys are the best team in the Rabo, by far. Munster and Leinster beaten 3 times in the year with their name on the trophy for a record 4th time. Not sure how one could say they aren't!

2005 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 16 games to Munster's 15
2007 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 14 games to Cardiff Blue's 13
2010 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 13 games won to Osprey's 11. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 14 wins from Osprey's 13. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year
2012 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 17 games won to Osprey's 15. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 18 wins from Osprey's 17. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year

When you win the playoffs you have a right to the Cup and the plaudits... but some of us will still think most games won in any given season is pretty strong currency in any sport.

Haven't the slightest what your on....

Although it appears you are just bitter and just dislike play-offs because Leinster keep losing them .

i really hope we get ospreys in the HC

by Morgannwg Sun 27 May - 21:55

Yeah, doing another double over you but in that competition should shut you all up, at least for a week lol.

by yappysnap Sun 27 May - 21:57

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:
That old cliche. I'm not Irish-biased but, but, but..... yawn. I think Ospreys are the best team in the Rabo, by far. Munster and Leinster beaten 3 times in the year with their name on the trophy for a record 4th time. Not sure how one could say they aren't!

2005 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 16 games to Munster's 15
2007 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 14 games to Cardiff Blue's 13
2010 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 13 games won to Osprey's 11. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 14 wins from Osprey's 13. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year
2012 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 17 games won to Osprey's 15. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 18 wins from Osprey's 17. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year

When you win the playoffs you have a right to the Cup and the plaudits... but some of us will still think most games won in any given season is pretty strong currency in any sport.

Haven't the slightest what your on....

Although it appears you are just bitter and just dislike play-offs because Leinster keep losing them .
i really hope we get ospreys in the HC

Just shows Ospreys play the season better and no matter how the rules change can adapt to win.

by Breadvan Sun 27 May - 21:57

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Osprey fans are never going let us hear the end of this victory are they...

lol. Personally, I'm chuffed that we've won the league after the dross left over by johnson/holley double act. I really beleive this is the start of summat special at the O's. Especially with Tandy in charge. Massive respect and thanks for what he's done with the team.

Btw...3 HC's in 4 years, Europes premier team, A future roiser than the Chelsea flower show? I'd take that any day over the rabo league title.

by SecretFly Sun 27 May - 22:02

Morgannwg wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Morgannwg wrote:
That old cliche. I'm not Irish-biased but, but, but..... yawn. I think Ospreys are the best team in the Rabo, by far. Munster and Leinster beaten 3 times in the year with their name on the trophy for a record 4th time. Not sure how one could say they aren't!

2005 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 16 games to Munster's 15
2007 - Ospreys win by winning most games in the League (no playoffs) 14 games to Cardiff Blue's 13
2010 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 13 games won to Osprey's 11. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 14 wins from Osprey's 13. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year
2012 - Ospreys win in playoff final. League table ends with Leinster on top with 17 games won to Osprey's 15. After the playoffs, Leinster still top the overall wins with 18 wins from Osprey's 17. Going on the old methodology by which Ospreys judge their first two Championships, that would make Leinster best side that year

When you win the playoffs you have a right to the Cup and the plaudits... but some of us will still think most games won in any given season is pretty strong currency in any sport.

Haven't the slightest what your on....

Although it appears you are just bitter and just dislike play-offs because Leinster keep losing them .

Bitter? Moi? Read on...and read more of my posts this evening than the one directed at you, Morg. I'm simply using your stats of 'best' against you in my way......all still factually correct BTW. Wink

Already said I didn't like play-off last year either - and said as much on here back then - and shock'n'horrors no, not coz poor old Leinster lost again...... do keep up Morg and keep smiling, the trophy is yours...it's just the definition of merit we'll continue to differ on.

by SecretFly Sun 27 May - 22:06

yappysnap wrote:
Just shows Ospreys play the season better and no matter how the rules change can adapt to win.

Wow...adapting to win. Great stuff. Losing more often to better win when it means something?...sounds like the advert for Leinster Wink

Good stuff, keep up the grades, you're learnin'.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 22:09

Breadvan wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:Osprey fans are never going let us hear the end of this victory are they...

lol. Personally, I'm chuffed that we've won the league after the dross left over by johnson/holley double act. I really beleive this is the start of summat special at the O's. Especially with Tandy in charge. Massive respect and thanks for what he's done with the team.

Btw...3 HC's in 4 years, Europes premier team, A future roiser than the Chelsea flower show? I'd take that any day over the rabo league title.

enjoy your victory as it can only be good for this league... hopefully all the welsh regions can follow and make this the best league in europe which it should be.

by Breadvan Sun 27 May - 22:20

Balls to the rest of the regions! As long as the O's are up there for the next few years!! Very Happy

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 22:22

Breadvan wrote:Balls to the rest of the regions! As long as the O's are up there for the next few years!!

fair enough

by Hound_of_Harrow Sun 27 May - 22:22

Ha, ha - this has been a blast of a read.

by Taffineastbourne Sun 27 May - 22:24

Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

by Shifty Sun 27 May - 22:29

rodders wrote:Ospreys played some nice stuff dreamer but they set their stall out with the scrummaging. Very poor sportsmanship.

So the Ospreys have one of the best scrums in the world and you think it's unfair they play to their strengths?

Thats a bit like moaning the English are mean because they won loads of grand slams in the early 90's because they had a big nasty pack!

you fit your game plan to your strengths, we have Ryan Jones, Alun Wyn, Adam Jones, basically the back bone of a Welsh team thats won 3 grand slams, of course were going to use them!

by SecretFly Sun 27 May - 22:38

Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

Ospreys have seen the light at regional level but aren't getting as big a shout at International as they'd probably like so the argument for now is a little off target. Two Irish finalists in HEC, bad year - so far- for International. Its a balance many small nations are finding it difficult to manage... it's either/or for now it seems.

by tecphobe Sun 27 May - 22:52

Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

So no welsh posters criticised Alan Rolland after the world cup semi? For the record i didn't criticise the ref i just merely pointed out that its unusual to have two yellow cards in a match for scrum offences Poitre reffed the scrum fair enough however it seamed to be the only area he reffed the breakdown he totally abrogated any responsibility for this area of the game

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 22:52

SecretFly wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

Ospreys have seen the light at regional level but aren't getting as big a shout at International as they'd probably like so the argument for now is a little off target. Two Irish finalists in HEC, bad year - so far- for International. Its a balance many small nations are finding it difficult to manage... it's either/or for now it seems.

i dont understand all this foreign player crap next year isa will be leinster's only non IQ player in the starting 15 as strauss will be IQ next year... unless we sign a foreign 2nd row

by **rodders** Sun 27 May - 23:00

AlynDavies wrote:
rodders wrote:Ospreys played some nice stuff dreamer but they set their stall out with the scrummaging. Very poor sportsmanship.

So the Ospreys have one of the best scrums in the world and you think it's unfair they play to their strengths?

Thats a bit like moaning the English are mean because they won loads of grand slams in the early 90's because they had a big nasty pack!

you fit your game plan to your strengths, we have Ryan Jones, Alun Wyn, Adam Jones, basically the back bone of a Welsh team thats won 3 grand slams, of course were going to use them!

Alyn I aplogised in one of my later posts. I don't want to get into this again. Ospreys are very worthy champions, it was a close game and things went the Ospreys way. Enjoy your win guinness

.

by Taffineastbourne Sun 27 May - 23:26

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

Ospreys have seen the light at regional level but aren't getting as big a shout at International as they'd probably like so the argument for now is a little off target. Two Irish finalists in HEC, bad year - so far- for International. Its a balance many small nations are finding it difficult to manage... it's either/or for now it seems.
i dont understand all this foreign player crap next year isa will be leinster's only non IQ player in the starting 15 as strauss will be IQ next year... unless we sign a foreign 2nd row

Glad to hear that.Maybe you might beat us at National level soon. laughing

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 23:29

Taffineastbourne wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

Ospreys have seen the light at regional level but aren't getting as big a shout at International as they'd probably like so the argument for now is a little off target. Two Irish finalists in HEC, bad year - so far- for International. Its a balance many small nations are finding it difficult to manage... it's either/or for now it seems.
i dont understand all this foreign player crap next year isa will be leinster's only non IQ player in the starting 15 as strauss will be IQ next year... unless we sign a foreign 2nd row
Glad to hear that.Maybe you might beat us at National level soon.

is there such thing as a sore winner?

by Taffineastbourne Sun 27 May - 23:35

Taffineastbourne wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

Ospreys have seen the light at regional level but aren't getting as big a shout at International as they'd probably like so the argument for now is a little off target. Two Irish finalists in HEC, bad year - so far- for International. Its a balance many small nations are finding it difficult to manage... it's either/or for now it seems.
i dont understand all this foreign player crap next year isa will be leinster's only non IQ player in the starting 15 as strauss will be IQ next year... unless we sign a foreign 2nd row
Glad to hear that.Maybe you might beat us at National level soon.

by Taffineastbourne Sun 27 May - 23:36

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

Ospreys have seen the light at regional level but aren't getting as big a shout at International as they'd probably like so the argument for now is a little off target. Two Irish finalists in HEC, bad year - so far- for International. Its a balance many small nations are finding it difficult to manage... it's either/or for now it seems.
i dont understand all this foreign player crap next year isa will be leinster's only non IQ player in the starting 15 as strauss will be IQ next year... unless we sign a foreign 2nd row
Glad to hear that.Maybe you might beat us at National level soon.
is there such thing as a sore winner?

If the Oirish ever beat us,you may find out!

by Feckless Rogue Sun 27 May - 23:38

Can't wait for tomorrow's papers now. If the consensus in the press is that Jones was guilty of bringing down scrums then we can take some solace in the fact that we were harshly treated, but it won't change the fact that we were done by a world class operator in Adam Jones. If the press reckons Leinster collapsing all the time to stop getting pushed back then we can have no argumaents. There probably won't be consensus in the press though.

It'll be interesting to read the journo's take on it tomorrow. I'd say the difference between the Irish pundits and the Welsh ones will be funny. Even the pro's are guilty of what we always do on this forum. Bias. I hope a former front rower, will write an honest and informative article in some paper about what was going on. From my limited knowledge of what goes on at scrums, I think Leinster were treated harshly. The Ospreys scrum wasn't totally dominant. The Leinster scrum pushed them back plenty of times. So 2 cards and having to play 20 minutes with 14 men was very harsh. And only going down by 1 point isn't a terribly bad effort.

by LeinsterFan4life Sun 27 May - 23:40

Taffineastbourne wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Taffineastbourne wrote:Congrats to the O's-fully deserved as an away win is always a tough ask in this league.SOB was the deciding factor as he would have made the difference.He is a top class player and was a huge loss for Leinster.
Sad to see the comments re the Ref.He was crap for both sides.
If the Irish regions can wean themselves off their foreigners it will certainly help their national side.Ospreys have seen the light!

Ospreys have seen the light at regional level but aren't getting as big a shout at International as they'd probably like so the argument for now is a little off target. Two Irish finalists in HEC, bad year - so far- for International. Its a balance many small nations are finding it difficult to manage... it's either/or for now it seems.
i dont understand all this foreign player crap next year isa will be leinster's only non IQ player in the starting 15 as strauss will be IQ next year... unless we sign a foreign 2nd row
Glad to hear that.Maybe you might beat us at National level soon.
is there such thing as a sore winner?
If the Oirish ever beat us,you may find out!

when*

by tecphobe Sun 27 May - 23:41

THe Cards decided the game especially in the conditions

by Feckless Rogue Sun 27 May - 23:49

LeinsterFan4life wrote:is there such thing as a sore winner?

Yes, unfortunately. People being ungracious in victory is annoying. A horrible trait. Worse than being ungracious in defeat. At least a loser is hurting and lashing out. Why would the winner be so nasty? But you shouldn't rise to it (I wish I could take my own advice sometimes). And you shouldn't hold it against all Welsh fans, because some are sneering and insulting when they win. I prefer to engage with the nice Welsh rugby lovers on the site (there's plenty of them). The type you can argue with for hours about rugby and refs without either insulting or having digs at the other.

by Morgannwg Mon 28 May - 0:14

Leinster fans try peeing all over the Ospreys win and say they were lucky, etc.. All of a sudden fans stick up for their team and it makes them bad winners. Most had hoped this would knock some reality into the Leinster fans. It was only 2 weeks ago you thought you could beat the Wales national team laughing

.

by SecretFly Mon 28 May - 0:23

Morgannwg wrote:Leinster fans try peeing all over the Ospreys win and say they were lucky, etc.. All of a sudden fans stick up for their team and it makes them bad winners. Most had hoped this would knock some reality into the fans. It was only 2 weeks ago you thought you could beat the Wales national team .

A week ago Morg...a week ago. And they still 'could' beat the Welsh national team...you know, like Leinster, they (Welsh national team) ain't invincible and given a few weeks rest after the trials of the big one (HEC)...getting them fresh and ready to go again........... yep, Leinster could beat the Welsh national side. You think we curl up and die here because of defeat? Defeat is all part of the mix... Ospreys know that, they were defeated more times than Leinster this season Wink

Oops, that stat again - sorry.

by Morgannwg Mon 28 May - 0:38

Morg currently ponders a stat (it's Ospreys and Leinsters head to head this season) Wink

.

Laugh. Leinster wouldn't stand a chance of beating Wales. They've failed to beat a team that contains less than half the starting Welsh team on 3 occassions.

by tecphobe Mon 28 May - 0:47

ps im watch the 74 Lions on youtube. As i said earlier well done to the Ospreys there is a serious amount of talent coming through down there. Today is the first time ive seen 2 props yellowed for scrum offenses

by Sponsored content

How do you think it will go ?