sin cara

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anyone else really quite looking forward to his debut tonight ?
the guy looks awesome, like rey mysterio but better

so will he target for his 1st feud? dolph, jomo? bourne?

from ewrestling

Vince McMahon is down on Sin Cara using a trampoline for his ring entrance since he's botched it two out of three times at television events. Following last night's flub, the unique entrance may be altered or completely scrapped.

Cara was said to be very nervous prior to his first television match last night in regards to converting to the WWE style of wrestling. Personnel were down on both him and Primo following their match.

Nice one, WWE are down on him already

Sin Cara will be main-eventing Superstars in a week. Poor guy. If they were going to give him an entrance like that - where there's a possibility of botching it - why not put him on Smackdown where they can edit stuff out or simply re-tape it?

To be fair to the guy, i didn't even notice the botch on the entrance on RAW last week untill the IWC pointed it out so to speak. If that was the case then i think he did well to recover because he could of easily landed on his head and caused himself a major injury.

If they are down on him then that's unfortunate but i hope they don't give up on him completely. He is going to be big in the WWE, if they let him of course.

Holymiky wrote:If they are down on him then that's unfortunate but i hope they don't give up on him completely. He is going to be big in the WWE, if they let him of course.

If they give him time then he'll be huge. But then again this is the WWE, home of Kofi '3 Week Main Event Push' Kingston. Patience isn't one of Vince McMahon's virtues.

What do you expect when you put him in a match with Primo and give him a 3 year olds toy tramapoline?!

I cant see how they can blame him it was Primo that appeared to mess up the finish by slipping off of the turnbuckle

I blame Primo.

Primo screwed up the finish of the match.

Primo botched Sin Cara's entrance.

Primo ruined my marriage.

Damn you Primo!

Complete hypocrisy.

He was brought in to be the new Rey - or at least that is what we presume. Rey wasn't exactly a flawless performer was he?

If you don't put his trampoline in the right place then you will not get the right entrance...simple. Give the guy a chance VKM....don't prove to me that you are even more of a self important douche than I already think.

I just watched it and the ending didnt seem botched to me.

Hobo wrote:I just watched it and the ending didnt seem botched to me.

Did you see the bit when Primo slips and sends Sin Cara to the outside?

King Beer wrote:

Hobo wrote:I just watched it and the ending didnt seem botched to me.

Did you see the bit when Primo slips and sends Sin Cara to the outside?

What did I tell you?

Primo.

That sonofabitch Primo.

Y2 - You seriously make me laugh at least twice a day at my computer reading your posts, especially when blaming someone for something or just the JR stuff man, your a legend

What I didn't like was they made it so obvious it was a botch by doing the exact same finish, if Sin Cara could communicate better they may have been able to salvage it without it looking like a complete botch

thats why i thought they put primo and Cara together though gaff. as they should both be able to talk the same language and give a very good match

Sin Cara doesn't speak 'Everything I touch turns to rudey poo' though, whereas Primo is fluent.

You have to love the WWE though, they had a talented guy in Carlito, they treated him like mince, so fired him and got his less talented to produce more mince than they needed, Carlos Colon must be proud

what i meant was they should both be able to communicate through spanish with that being both there home countries langauge

If Primo had any ring knowledge he would've lept from the turnbuckle to the floor and covered his botch.

Did like Sin Caras finisher though.

It did look good KB

ncfc_Tooze wrote:what i meant was they should both be able to communicate through spanish with that being both there home countries langauge

Yeah I know Tooze, I'm just having one of those days where I feel like ripping into Primo!

theundisputedY2D2 wrote:

ncfc_Tooze wrote:what i meant was they should both be able to communicate through spanish with that being both there home countries langauge

Yeah I know Tooze, I'm just having one of those days where I feel like ripping into Primo!

I did think that during the Edge line up he looked surprisingly happy for someone who's about to get FE'd!

dont get me wrong Y2 I do agree he could have done a better job of covering it

You make a good point though Tooze, communication shouldn't have been a problem for the two of them, as you say that's probably one of the reasons why they put Primo in there with Sin Cara.

I forgot about Primo, I predicted Tyson Kidd would be the guy he would go up against, maybe Primo isn't experianced enough to call an audiable when things go to c r a p

If it was on SD it would have been fine, they coudl easily have edited it for TV but on live TV there is no hiding place

ncfc_Tooze wrote:It did look good KB

this is your link Tooze from the paul burchill thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roTyIxzbeGI&feature=fvwrel-These

Have a look in here guys when you can paul burchill pulls off sin caras finisher from mat level and looks alot more impressive than the finisher sin cara did, dont get me wrong i like the guy, and think what he's going to bring once his nerves get better will be great i have watched some highlights of him and it all looks awesome. i also think he used another one of his moves on primo which he seems to have used before as his finisher but primo kicked out easily, its a legtrap sunset flip powerbomd, this move again was right in the corner and think if he'd have nailed it in the middle of the ring it would have looked spectacular.

i dont think primo helped at all during this match as stated above he botched the finish on the top rope. but i think sin cara will be great in a couple of weeks

Yep the C4 or Backflip Uranage lovely looking move

I also don't buy Sin Cara's finisher, I didn't buy it when Burchill did it either, for me it doesn't look anymore impressive than a suplex/Superplex and wonder how many guys in the E he will be allowed to do it to

the-gaffer wrote:I also don't buy Sin Cara's finisher, I didn't buy it when Burchill did it either, for me it doesn't look anymore impressive than a suplex/Superplex and wonder how many guys in the E he will be allowed to do it to

I agree to an extent. Can't see him doing it on HHH or 'Taker.

He needs something else.

I want to see him do it to the Big Show

I'd like to see him to some kind of corkscrew swanton if he can that is, he looks like he would have the ability and it would be something different

La Mística - can you imagine him doing this to big show it would take him 5 mins to crawl around the big show

LOL that would be brilliant to watch though

They need to be carefull picking Sin Cara's opponents, as i reckon alot of his matches may end up botchfest's.

User Name wrote:They need to be carefull picking Sin Cara's opponents, as i reckon alot of his matches may end up botchfest's.

So we can look forward to a triple threat of Sin Cara v Kofi Kingston v Randy Orton in the near future then with Orton going into Stupid Stupid Stupid! overload?

LOL Hero!

They should give him a short program with Chavo to get him settled

the-gaffer wrote:They should give him a short program with Chavo to get him settled

That's actually a brilliant shout.

Hmmmm yeah thinking about it, that would work.

Its a no brainer tho, why they haven't done it is a mystery

the-gaffer wrote:Its a no brainer tho, why they haven't done it is a mystery

They haven't done it mate for the simple reason that it's a no brainer.

Horrible botch, and then to go back and repeat the sequence of moves as if it could be edited out was a real rookie mistake from both wrestlers.

Vince isn't too forgiving about these sorts of things, and Sin Cara is probably on his final strike now including the botch from last week as well. Might turn out to be another Kizarny!

bernard black wrote:Horrible botch, and then to go back and repeat the sequence of moves as if it could be edited out was a real rookie mistake from both wrestlers.

Vince isn't too forgiving about these sorts of things, and Sin Cara is probably on his final strike now including the botch from last week as well. Might turn out to be another Kizarny!

Bit extreme, you don't hype someone this much and then do that.

Word is that Vince is gonna change his entrance. As for the botch, it was more Primo's fault, he knows the WWE style, not Sin Cara!

First impression of Sin Cara after the Primo match -


I can overlook him snagging the top rope on his entrance, it's not the end of the world although it doesn't look too graceful and probably should be changed.

However there was nothing innovative about him. He's just the new token lucha libre 'superstar'. His finisher as well was dire. How can he use that against anyone except the likes of Evan Bourne or Tyson Kidd? It didn't look realistic and its prone to botching. Primo slipped and completely ruined the move - going for it a second time took all the 'spontaneity' out of it and is a classic example of wrestling being 'fake'.

Already I don't like Sin Cara.

from eWrestling:

Sin Cara tried to impress his peers backstage a recent WWE event by claiming that many of his notable victories in Mexico were shoots. There was plenty of eye-rolling over his conduct, with some feeling he embarrassed himself.

Similarly, Tyson Tomko had a reputation in TNA Wrestling by showing clips of his matches in Japan to people in the locker room from his smart phone and touting them as shoot contests.

Primo didn't even try to follow up on the mistake from the top rope and Cara went back into the ring as if nothing happened. In my opinion, Primo was definitely in the wrong for not improvising at all. He just sat there on the turnbuckle, waiting for Cara to 'come back and try again.' For me, this killed the match. Primo should have come down to the outside and taken advantage of the mistake to make it look like a planned move. They could have worked something ad-lib, before returning to the planned finish. Instead, Primo just sat where he was (not even groggy), resulting in the entire finishing sequence looking extraordinarily fake. Not only did it kill the match, but it also made Sin Cara look bad.

Botches happen, but superstars need to be able to make up for and cover it up. In a match against Daniel Bryan a few weeks back, Miz botched a move out of the electric chair position. However, instead of just going back and doing the move again, Bryan improvised by turning it into a rear naked choke. This is what needed to happen in this match, but sadly it did not.

However, it wasn't all bad. Sin Cara looked impressive beforehand and his spots all came off a treat. Minor mistakes can be corrected over time, as he learns to work in the WWE style. The one thing that annoys me after seeing him work his first match is the way Cara has been brought into the company. If they are going to let certain guys bypass FCW, then nine times out of ten they should be put on SmackDown. Unless they have previous experience in the 'WWE style', it makes sense for them to go to a show that can be edited. We've already seen enough mistakes from Sin Cara to prove this. I don't care if he's the greatest wrestler in the world, if they cant work a match with WWE superstars, they shouldn't be performing live on TV. End of.

Ok, I remember reading on here that Sin Cara had a bit of heat backstage, because he was pretty much going straight from Mexico to the WWE roster. My question is if you guys think that Primo's slip before the match finisher was a genuine slip, or an (unprofessional) slap from Primo or the rest of the locker room - kind of a 'Welcome to the WWE. No know your place' sort of thing.

That's pretty deep! I wouldn't think that far into it. I know he is disliked and all, but I reckon it was a genuine mistake. I see what you mean and if you look at it from that perspective it would make sense. However, like I said, I wouldn't read that much into it

Saw him at a house show last night, the crowd were going nuts for him. He's a bundle of nerves though, even when not on TV it's a just a horrible botch waiting to happen. He is exciting to watch though, no doubt, and I wish him all the best.

2 matches 2 complete botch finishes....Did he even touch A-Ri with his spring board moonsault? I'm prepared to give the guy a chance but it ain't like he's a green rookie... Looks massively overated so far

You can't blame Sin Cara for that IMO, Cena pulled Riley way to close to the ropes, Sin Cara for me could hardly go in and correct Cena's positioning, he would have got roasted in the back for that more than he would for the finish