Irish Summer Tour Squad

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Sin, I wouldn't get impatient with people for having to post things 3 times. People must have posted the same thing to you at least 50 times and you are none the wiser..

Sin mate, read what Boyne has said again. It makes perfect sense to me but once again you don't seem able to repond to a specific point with a specific answer.

No one asked you who you would select, so I don't know why you need to repost it.

Boyne is pointing out that no one is arguing for Tuohys inclusion at Ryans expense so why are you comparing them?

Toner and DOC.

What do I win?

thebluesmancometh wrote:Toner and DOC.

What do I win?

For chosing DOC based on past glories? You win a coaching job with the IRFU...

thebluesmancometh wrote:Toner and DOC.

What do I win?

The Wooden Spoon

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

On a serious note I've been a fan of Tuohy for the last 2 seasons, and this years he's looked really strong.

Am I alone in liking Toner though?

Rodders and Sin é - deep in conversation:

http://singleinmy30s.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/brick-wall.jpg

Lots of people like Toner, he's just not an international player

RubyGuby wrote:Lots of people like Toner, he's just not an international player

His carrying is better than you gave him credit for though, you've got to admit he did play well at the weekend.

Not an international yet!

Third time to post this - do you suffer from attention deficit disorder or something?

You are the biggest fricking special I have ever come across, bar none. You plainly ignore simple English i n front of you and suggest I have issues?


My mental image of you as the breakfast roll man isn't improving....

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geoff998rugby wrote:

Sin é wrote:

rodders wrote:I've reached the point were getting Sin E to admit he's wrong would be a bigger achievement than Ireland beating the Allblacks .....

Why do you have to persuade me that I'm wrong? I couldn't give a rats arse whether you think Tuohy is the greatest thing since the slice pan - I just know that he is going to find it very difficult to get ahead of 6'7" Ryan to partner POC.

Even by your standard that is some straw man.

No one has said Tuohy is the greatestthing since sliced bread and no one has said POC or Ryan should be droped for his inclusion.

Just answer two simple questions.
Which under 30 years old Irish locks are better than Tuohy ?
Who has had the better season Tuohy or DOC ?

I await your replies more in hope than anticipation.
I see another 'Go off at a tangent' moment coming on...............

Why is there an age limit on it?

I think Ryan is better than Tuohy. I don't think its right to compare Toner & Tuohy as they offer different things - but Toner had a fairly good season overall.

DOC (in comparison to other years) would have had a poor season for Munster, but he did ok for Ireland at the world cup & 6Ns with his usual partner POC.

Fortunately for Ulster, we'll never know what kind of season they would have had (or Tuohy would have played) if they were missing Muller.

In short, I don't think DOC was as bad as all of you make him out to be.

Special? I was going for full on *french for "late".......

Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Sin, I wouldn't get impatient with people for having to post things 3 times. People must have posted the same thing to you at least 50 times and you are none the wiser..

I don't keep trying to ask the same questions until I get an answer that I like.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Thats the period that Humphs decided to give McLaughlin the bullet, isn't it?

Also, the question was asked if you think DOC has had a better season than Tuohy - a yes or no question - the question was not asking if you think people have been harsh on DOC. You can't seem to answer a simple question.

You obviously weren't involved in the Lisbon treaty then Sin.

Toner is assuming more bulk, which was always one of my criticisms of him that he didn't seem to be able to gain it.

We'll see how he goes from here and whether or not he achieves International liftoff.

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Sin, I wouldn't get impatient with people for having to post things 3 times. People must have posted the same thing to you at least 50 times and you are none the wiser..

I don't keep trying to ask the same questions until I get an answer that I like.

Yeah, but maybe what people want is a sensible and rational answer..

SecretFly wrote:Toner is assuming more bulk, which was always one of my criticisms of him that he didn't seem to be able to gain it.

We'll see how he goes from here and whether or not he achieves International liftoff.

That's the problem FLY - You should never just assume!

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Thats the period that Humphs decided to give McLaughlin the bullet, isn't it?

Please don't tell me you are going to use that to support your cause against Tuohy.. what has that got to do with ANYTHING?

Mickado wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Lots of people like Toner, he's just not an international player

His carrying is better than you gave him credit for though, you've got to admit he did play well at the weekend.

I am jesting a little Mickado - He's probably where Charteris was 2-3 years ago and he has exceeded all my expectations, no reason why Toner can't do the same - looks a good bloke to so good luck to him - With POC and DOC you guys have been spoiled in that area for too long though

I think DOC is a good option, but only if he’s been learning from Horan and our plan is to go out and injure as many all blacks as possible.

The under 30 thing is simple.

In as little as 2/3 years it is perfectly possible that injury, old age extra could deprive Ireland of the services of POC, DOC, Cullen, McCarthy, Hayes (not that he was ever in the frame). In terms of decline it has already started to happen. Also we have lost MOD and Casey (again if he was ever an option).

So my point is after those guys are gone who will carry the Irish mantel at lock.

We have Ryan, Tuohy, Toner, Stevenson, Browne, Nagle - which players will be pulling on the green jersey ?

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Thats the period that Humphs decided to give McLaughlin the bullet, isn't it?

Please don't tell me you are going to use that to support your cause against Tuohy.. what has that got to do with ANYTHING?

That Ulster were playing poorly even with the magnificant Tuohy, without 6'7" Muller?

RubyGuby wrote:

Mickado wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Lots of people like Toner, he's just not an international player

His carrying is better than you gave him credit for though, you've got to admit he did play well at the weekend.

I am jesting a little Mickado - He's probably where Charteris was 2-3 years ago and he has exceeded all my expectations, no reason why Toner can't do the same - looks a good bloke to so good luck to him - With POC and DOC you guys have been spoiled in that area for too long though

Oh I know you were joking, you said Shane Williams would “blow him back in the tackle”, I knew it was a joke then. But that wouldn’t have been beyond the realms of possibility last year or the year before, he’s greatly improved his carrying.

Sorry Sin, but if you are using your argument about height in that scenario, I don't know what to say. What a moronic statement.

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Thats the period that Humphs decided to give McLaughlin the bullet, isn't it?

What relevance has McLaughlin to do with it ?
We were down to our 4th choice LH at the time and even played a hooker there once. We missed the direction of Peinaer and Wallace in midfield big time and lost our FB.
The second row was actually an area where we did ok in that period.

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Thats the period that Humphs decided to give McLaughlin the bullet, isn't it?

Please don't tell me you are going to use that to support your cause against Tuohy.. what has that got to do with ANYTHING?

That Ulster were playing poorly even with the magnificant Tuohy, without 6'7" Muller?

Mister 'Tangent Man' is alive and well I see.

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Thats the period that Humphs decided to give McLaughlin the bullet, isn't it?

Please don't tell me you are going to use that to support your cause against Tuohy.. what has that got to do with ANYTHING?

That Ulster were playing poorly even with the magnificant Tuohy, without 6'7" Muller?

See, thats not really a case is it? Because the lineout in that part of the season when Tuohy was middle jumper and calling them is one of the things that was quite good. Not as good as with Muller obviously but he showed how much he had improved.

There are a lot of reasons why Ulster were playing poorly in the first part of the season. It's not as simple as one player missing. Of course, losing your Captain, best scrummaging and lineout jumping lock and leader is/was one of the bigger factors.

SecretFly wrote:Rodders and Sin é - deep in conversation:

http://singleinmy30s.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/brick-wall.jpg

Nope I think Sin is on to something here. The reason Ulster were performing poorly in that period of time, was because Tuohy is 6 foot 5. If we had someone who is 6 foot 7, maybe things wouldn't have been so bad. Alas, that was not the case.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Nope I think Sin is on to something here. The reason Ulster were performing poorly in that period of time, was because Tuohy is 6 foot 5. If we had someone who is 6 foot 7, maybe things wouldn't have been so bad. Alas, that was not the case.

You know what they say, it's a game of inches...

thebluesmancometh wrote:You obviously weren't involved in the Lisbon treaty then Sin.

I got a permanent ban by boards.ie over that one. They sure have some mental mods. If they didn't agree with you they banned you for a week. Eventually they all mounted up as we used disagree a lot.

Unfortunately, as time has proved, I was right as well.

Dear mods:

Notch wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Actually they missed Muller a lot - during the RWC and when injured between the 6 nations and Easter. Tuohy has partnered Stevenson a lot this year. They work together very well, and Tuohy impressed me greatly in the line out in this period.

Thats the period that Humphs decided to give McLaughlin the bullet, isn't it?

Please don't tell me you are going to use that to support your cause against Tuohy.. what has that got to do with ANYTHING?

That Ulster were playing poorly even with the magnificant Tuohy, without 6'7" Muller?

See, thats not really a case is it? Because the lineout in that part of the season when Tuohy was middle jumper and calling them is one of the things that was quite good. Not as good as with Muller obviously but he showed how much he had improved.

There are a lot of reasons why Ulster were playing poorly in the first part of the season. It's not as simple as one player missing. Of course, losing your Captain, best scrummaging and lineout jumping lock and leader is/was one of the bigger factors.

No need to get all defensive about Tuohy.
It was a throaway remark about McLauglin!

Sin é wrote:

thebluesmancometh wrote:You obviously weren't involved in the Lisbon treaty then Sin.

I got a permanent ban by boards.ie over that one. They sure have some mental mods. If they didn't agree with you they banned you for a week. Eventually they all mounted up as we used disagree a lot.

Unfortunately, as time has proved, I was right as well.

Have a Sin, I give up, whoever you pick is good enough for me

geoff998rugby wrote:The under 30 thing is simple.

In as little as 2/3 years it is perfectly possible that injury, old age extra could deprive Ireland of the services of POC, DOC, Cullen, McCarthy, Hayes (not that he was ever in the frame). In terms of decline it has already started to happen. Also we have lost MOD and Casey (again if he was ever an option).

So my point is after those guys are gone who will carry the Irish mantel at lock.

We have Ryan, Tuohy, Toner, Stevenson, Browne, Nagle - which players will be pulling on the green jersey ?

Three years is a long time in sport. Who knows who will be available by then (including Leinster's new project player).

Who is Leinster's new project player?

There isn't one

Any chance we can have a thread that actually is about the tour squad ?

Mickado wrote:Who is Leinster's new project player?

I was thinking of Denton, the 6'6" Irish qualified lock that Leinster have just signed.

If he's IQ then how can he be a project?

rodders wrote:If he's IQ then how can he be a project?

I thought he was a project because Straus is nearly there. Its even better that he is already qualified.

In 3 years time expect to see Ryan & Nagle starting for Munster, Tuohy & Henderson for Ulster & Toner & Denton for Leinster.

Munster have a few 6'5" backrows who could do a job as well in the 2nd row.

Sin é wrote:
Munster have a few 6'5" backrows who could do a job as well in the 2nd row.

Sin é wrote:Munster have a few 6'5" backrows who could do a job as well in the 2nd row.

This is going to be a can of worms!!

I don't know about anyone else but I've been Sin E'd

rodders wrote:I don't know about anyone else but I've been Sin E'd

Cheer up Rods You'll be much the better person for it

Sin

I think people are finding it difficult to understand Sin é's continuing point because they are finding it difficult to visualise. So just to clarify, this is what we're talking about:

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