Re: Irish Summer Tour Squad

by **rodders** Tue 29 May 2012, 3:04 pm

First topic message reminder :

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Sin, I wouldn't get impatient with people for having to post things 3 times. People must have posted the same thing to you at least 50 times and you are none the wiser..

Sin mate, read what Boyne has said again. It makes perfect sense to me but once again you don't seem able to repond to a specific point with a specific answer.

No one asked you who you would select, so I don't know why you need to repost it.

Boyne is pointing out that no one is arguing for Tuohys inclusion at Ryans expense so why are you comparing them?

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 7:14 pm

valjester wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Notch wrote:Sin, are you seriously denying that the Leinster Academy has produced quality international players in the last number of years?

I would have thought the emergence of Cian Healy, Sean O'Brien, Jamie Heaslip, Jonathon Sexton, Luke Fitzgerald, Fergus McFadden and Rob Kearney would speak for itself. Those are just the undisputed successes.

There are quite a few test class players coming out of Leinster. They aren't producing them in the same places we traditionally struggle, and all the academies are struggling- 3 and 9. Hopefully Hagan will kick on.

Academies are struggling at 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10 & 12.

Considering how Leinster players have dominated in underage over the last few years, that is very few. What has happened to them? Where is the hooker that was preferred to Mike Sherry* in underage games for instance?

*Mike Sherry has no underage international caps.

You talk an unbelievable amount of sh*te. Their are a number of players in the academies at everyone of those position at the moment except for tight head but even still there are three or four th's who are promising enough.

Not all players develop at the same stage and not every player who makes underage teams has the commitment to make the sacrifices necessary to make it as a pro player. Others will decide after not making it into the underage teams that they are going to knuckle down and work hard and they make it. And of course some players are injured and miss out on underage honours because of this.

OK lets go through them then:

2? - next player to be capped will probably be SA born Straus.
3 ? (no one on the horizon)
4 &5 ? (Ian Nagle 24 maybe & U20s Henderson)
7 Dom Ryan ?
9 ?
10 ? (not trusted in tight games for Leinster - not brought on for Os game which was surprising)
12 ?

The academies are failing miserably if that is the case then (part in bold).

by **Notch** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:16 pm

You're lack of knowledge is painful.

2- Niall Annett
3- Adam Macklin, Jamie Hagan
4- Iain Henderson
7- Dom Ryan
10- Paddy Jackson
12- JJ Hanrahan, Luke Marshall

Not all will make it. But you're showing a fair degree of stupidity in writing players like Madigan off just because the best outhalf in Ireland is ahead of him.

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 7:18 pm

rodders wrote:
Gibson wrote:Billy has his own Lear Jet and Helicopter, Rodders. Say nowt.

Its a long long way from Clare to there.

Im a poor Leinster fan, Can only afford a dodgy pushbike like.

I'd expect nothing less from Billy Gibbo...

But hey don't your chinos get dirty on the push bike?

Naw man. Can't afford chinos. I wear 70's cutoffs with, like, cheap Primark sunglasses on me hid, roysh.

Still look well cool tho. I have a 3 STAR Dunnees Boutique tee-shirt... zen

OK, on the Irish squad..Well happy that Cave is going. I do believe he is BOD's best replacement at 13. Actually plays like him. Showed it in the HC Final and SF. Better fit than Earls for sure. Raging that Gilroy is not in. Better player than Zebo right now. Bemused that Madigan is not traveling. But Kidney is...

No more.

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 7:19 pm

Notch wrote:

Not all will make it. But you're showing a fair degree of stupidity in writing players like Madigan off just because the best outhalf currently in Ireland is ahead of him.

Added that as i believe that within two years Madigan will be ahead of him.

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 7:24 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Notch wrote:

Not all will make it. But you're showing a fair degree of stupidity in writing players like Madigan off just because the best outhalf currently in Ireland is ahead of him.

Added that as i believe that within two years Madigan will be ahead of him.

Madigan is an outrageous talent, but... Sexton is pulling away fast. ERC Player Of The Year for me. Far more influential than Kearney. FACT.

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 7:27 pm

Gibbo, i honestly believe that Madigan has more talent than Sexton. Sexton is still streaks ahead but is showing Madigan the way and he wont look back. Two years and Madigan will be ahead of Sexton. I have long said that i see Madigan at 10 and Sexton at 12.

by **Biltong** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:28 pm

I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 31 May 2012, 7:31 pm

biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

I don't think anyone understands it mate. The mind of Sin e is pretty unique..

by **Biltong** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:33 pm

Seems so.

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 7:39 pm

I used to be Province before Country but now i enjoy them both at the same level. When it comes to Ireland, i dont care from where they hail just that they give it their all.

by **rodders** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:40 pm

you the man Gibbo! guinness

Poor old Sexton, best player we've produced since BOD and he still gets no love from the people..... mind you he did try and murder Mafi that time.... Whistle

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 7:43 pm

Notch wrote:You're lack of knowledge is painful.

2- Niall Annett
3- Adam Macklin, Jamie Hagan
4- Iain Henderson
7- Dom Ryan
10- Paddy Jackson
12- JJ Hanrahan, Luke Marshall

Not all will make it. But you're showing a fair degree of stupidity in writing players like Madigan off just because the best outhalf in Ireland is ahead of him.

I'd like to see a bit more of a few of them before confirming that they are the messiahs. For instance, its far more likely that JJ Hanrahan will end up as a 10 rather than a 12 (thats where he plays his rugby for UL Bohs).

It has also been demonstrated that underage success means very little.

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 7:44 pm

He should have kicked de durty bollix even harder. Mafi was one of the nastiest players Munster ever had. And thats saying something.

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 7:46 pm

rodders wrote: you the man Gibbo!

Poor old Sexton, best player we've produced since BOD and he still gets no love from the people..... mind you he did try and murder Mafi that time....

Ferris
SOB
Kearney

I would have all of them on the same level if not higher than Sexton myself.
Not that i care to compare Wink

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 7:47 pm

biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

by **rodders** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:48 pm

Auch naw Gibbo, Mafi was a nice chap... he rarely decapitated anyone who didn't deserve it...... Smile

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 7:48 pm

I dont want to start a row roysh, but SOB has now officially eclipsed 1F. And McLaughlin would make great backup at 6. Just sayin...

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 7:49 pm

Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

by **Notch** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:50 pm

Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

The argument is; everyone basically agrees with what you just said biltong but there is one tedious, boring little rainman who is wrecking our heads and preventing any constructive discussion breaking out.

by **rodders** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:52 pm

True Billy the lads you mentioned are up there too, but there's something extra about Sexton.

I've very rarely seen a player who could just dominate games the way he can. I don't think a lot of people really get how good he is. I think he's a sensational player.

by Mickado Thu 31 May 2012, 7:52 pm

yeah let's mention how Madigan didn't come on against the Ospreys but neglect to mention that he came on in two Heineken cup finals.

We consider the HC to be more important Sin, you know like Munster did before they became sh1te...

by **rodders** Thu 31 May 2012, 7:54 pm

Gibson wrote:I dont want to start a row roysh, but SOB has now officially eclipsed 1F. And McLaughlin would make great backup at 6. Just sayin...

by Rava Thu 31 May 2012, 7:54 pm

Is there a citing commissioner on 606v2? Smile

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 7:56 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

Billser,

Yo da man. Its as simple as that. We improve and nurture, the raw & talented indigenous talent we have. Where we dont have it - we get them in to help us grow. In competition and in influencing our newbies. It has graphically happened at Leinster. It has obviously happened at Ulster. Munster and Connacht are also rebuilding nicely. We need to be real here. WHO was in the biggest club Final in the NH? I rest my orse.

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 7:56 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

Of course it has something to do with their success. But I'd be looking to them to produce players all over the pitch and not just backrows or backs.

How do you judge an academy's success?

by Mickado Thu 31 May 2012, 7:58 pm

Here lada, remember Will Chambers!

Laugh

Biltong, can we get a 3 stars smiley please and thanks?! Smile

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 7:59 pm

Mickado wrote: yeah let's mention how Madigan didn't come on against the Ospreys but neglect to mention that he came on in two Heineken cup finals.

We consider the HC to be more important Sin, you know like Munster did before they became sh1te...

He came on in games well won. Why wasn't he brought on against the Os? (Hint - it was a tight game).

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 8:00 pm

Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

Of course it has something to do with their success. But I'd be looking to them to produce players all over the pitch and not just backrows or backs.

How do you judge an academy's success?

I dont know Sin é, i guess the same way as you judge their progress. If, as i suspect you are, having a dig at Leinster's acadamy then i think that you may be suprised as to what talent has/is being developed there.

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 8:00 pm

Mickado wrote:Here lada, remember Will Chambers!

Biltong, can we get a 3 stars smiley please and thanks?!

Bout time you spoke up proudly Micka. I want a 3 STAR Believe zen

by valjester Thu 31 May 2012, 8:03 pm

Notch wrote:You're lack of knowledge is painful.

2- Niall Annett, Tom Sexton, Niall Scannell, Duncan Casey, Dermot Murphy,
3- Adam Macklin, Jamie Hagan, Jack McGrath can play both sides, Tadhg Furlong, John Ryan, Alan Cotter,
4- Iain Henderson, Ben Marshall, Dave Foley, Ian Nagle, Brian Hayes, Docv2, Cathal O'Flaherty, David Nolan, Daniel Qualter, Mick Kearney,
7- Dom Ryan, Ali Birch, Jordi Murphy, Dan Leavy, Brian O'Hara, Shane Conneely,
10- Paddy Jackson, JJ Hanrahan, James McKinney, Noel Reid, Cathal Marsh, Jack Carty
12- JJ Hanrahan, Luke Marshall, Chris Farrell, Peter Nelson, Noel Reid

Not all will make it. But you're showing a fair degree of stupidity in writing players like Madigan off just because the best outhalf in Ireland is ahead of him.

Just to add some players to your list, and that just who I can think of at the moment and I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Players who can play two positions were put in twice.

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 8:04 pm

I am liking this Ulster input.

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 8:07 pm

Leinster has always had a core of decent players. They did throw the chequebook out and buy some top class players to bring them sucess but they never lost sight of the bigger picture and that was developing home grown talent. Play against, or train with, the best and you will learn to be the best. Its a very good buisness model.
Ulster are doing exactly the same and they are reaping the rewards.

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 8:09 pm

eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

Of course it has something to do with their success. But I'd be looking to them to produce players all over the pitch and not just backrows or backs.

How do you judge an academy's success?

I dont know Sin é, i guess the same way as you judge their progress. If, as i suspect you are, having a dig at Leinster's acadamy then i think that you may be suprised as to what talent has/is being developed there.

I wouldn't be thinking too much about the Leinster academy except that we're frequently told that it is the best academy in the whole wide world. Wink

by Rava Thu 31 May 2012, 8:11 pm

Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

Of course it has something to do with their success. But I'd be looking to them to produce players all over the pitch and not just backrows or backs.

How do you judge an academy's success?

I dont know Sin é, i guess the same way as you judge their progress. If, as i suspect you are, having a dig at Leinster's acadamy then i think that you may be suprised as to what talent has/is being developed there.

I wouldn't be thinking too much about the Leinster academy except that we're frequently told that it is the best academy in the whole wide world.

At present can you think of a better one?

by valjester Thu 31 May 2012, 8:12 pm

Rava wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

Of course it has something to do with their success. But I'd be looking to them to produce players all over the pitch and not just backrows or backs.

How do you judge an academy's success?

I dont know Sin é, i guess the same way as you judge their progress. If, as i suspect you are, having a dig at Leinster's acadamy then i think that you may be suprised as to what talent has/is being developed there.

I wouldn't be thinking too much about the Leinster academy except that we're frequently told that it is the best academy in the whole wide world.

At present can you think of a better one?

The Crusaders tbf tbf.

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 8:13 pm

eirebilly wrote:Leinster has always had a core of decent players. They did throw the chequebook out and buy some top class players to bring them sucess but they never lost sight of the bigger picture and that was developing home grown talent. Play against or train with the best and you will learn to be the best. Its a very good buisness model.
Ulster are doing exactly the same and they are reaping the rewards.

Cronin/Straus, Ross or Reddan/Boss aren't really top class players for starters. They are alright, like. You'd expect Leinster's academy to be able to produce players to an equivalent standard.

by valjester Thu 31 May 2012, 8:16 pm

Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Leinster has always had a core of decent players. They did throw the chequebook out and buy some top class players to bring them sucess but they never lost sight of the bigger picture and that was developing home grown talent. Play against or train with the best and you will learn to be the best. Its a very good buisness model.
Ulster are doing exactly the same and they are reaping the rewards.

Cronin/Straus, Ross or Reddan/Boss aren't really top class players for starters. They are alright, like. You'd expect Leinster's academy to be able to produce players to an equivalent standard.

Or maybe the Munster academy could?

by Gibson Thu 31 May 2012, 8:16 pm

eirebilly wrote:Leinster has always had a core of decent players. They did throw the chequebook out and buy some top class players to bring them sucess but they never lost sight of the bigger picture and that was developing home grown talent. Play against, or train with, the best and you will learn to be the best. Its a very good buisness model.
Ulster are doing exactly the same and they are reaping the rewards.

Billy for Pres. I reckon you are the shrewdest, most impartial and logical poster on here.

Shame yer a Munster fan. But thats cool too like. guinness

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 8:16 pm

[quote="Sin é"]

eirebilly wrote:[

I wouldn't be thinking too much about the Leinster academy except that we're frequently told that it is the best academy in the whole wide world.

I dont think that we are being told that at all, that may be your impression but i dont see it that way.

Munster and Leinster are finding some great home grown talent and producing them.

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 8:21 pm

valjester wrote:
Rava wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
biltongbek wrote:I don't get this whole argument about this or that academy not producing talent.

It goes in cycles, you'll find it is very unlikely that there will be a continuous stream of bright talent coming through, especially if there are only 4 regional tems with a limited number of spots available

The argument is that there is a lot of tedius bragging about how wonderful the Ulster & Leinster academies are, but when you look at it a little closer (particularly for some key positions), they just resort to getting out the chequebook.

So coaching and a core of Irish talent has nothing to do with their relative success?

Of course it has something to do with their success. But I'd be looking to them to produce players all over the pitch and not just backrows or backs.

How do you judge an academy's success?

I dont know Sin é, i guess the same way as you judge their progress. If, as i suspect you are, having a dig at Leinster's acadamy then i think that you may be suprised as to what talent has/is being developed there.

I wouldn't be thinking too much about the Leinster academy except that we're frequently told that it is the best academy in the whole wide world.

At present can you think of a better one?

The Crusaders tbf tbf.

I'd say Mr Penney's Canterbury has been as good, if not better - a fair few greats have started their careers on that team (McCaw & Carter for starters).

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 8:23 pm

valjester wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Leinster has always had a core of decent players. They did throw the chequebook out and buy some top class players to bring them sucess but they never lost sight of the bigger picture and that was developing home grown talent. Play against or train with the best and you will learn to be the best. Its a very good buisness model.
Ulster are doing exactly the same and they are reaping the rewards.

Cronin/Straus, Ross or Reddan/Boss aren't really top class players for starters. They are alright, like. You'd expect Leinster's academy to be able to produce players to an equivalent standard.

Or maybe the Munster academy could?

It does.

by valjester Thu 31 May 2012, 8:23 pm

Sin é wrote:

I'd say Mr Penney's Canterbury has been as good, if not better - a fair few greats have started their careers on that team (McCaw & Carter for starters).

Both of them were before Penney's time, if you want to put a Munster twist on to everything as usual you could have used Keiran Read, a player actually developed by Penney as an example.

by valjester Thu 31 May 2012, 8:24 pm

Sin é wrote:
valjester wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Leinster has always had a core of decent players. They did throw the chequebook out and buy some top class players to bring them sucess but they never lost sight of the bigger picture and that was developing home grown talent. Play against or train with the best and you will learn to be the best. Its a very good buisness model.
Ulster are doing exactly the same and they are reaping the rewards.

Cronin/Straus, Ross or Reddan/Boss aren't really top class players for starters. They are alright, like. You'd expect Leinster's academy to be able to produce players to an equivalent standard.

Or maybe the Munster academy could?

It does.

So you're proud that the players developed by the Munster academy aren't really top class players?

by Mickado Thu 31 May 2012, 8:25 pm

Sin é wrote:
Mickado wrote: yeah let's mention how Madigan didn't come on against the Ospreys but neglect to mention that he came on in two Heineken cup finals.

We consider the HC to be more important Sin, you know like Munster did before they became sh1te...

He came on in games well won. Why wasn't he brought on against the Os? (Hint - it was a tight game).

he came on in a tight game against Munster in TP and finished them off! Too easy pal... Laugh

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 8:25 pm

[quote="eirebilly"]

Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:[

I wouldn't be thinking too much about the Leinster academy except that we're frequently told that it is the best academy in the whole wide world.

I dont think that we are being told that at all, that may be your impression but i dont see it that way.

Munster and Leinster are finding some great home grown talent and producing them.

Its also Val's Very Happy

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 8:26 pm

Any chance we may get back on topic soon? Wink

by **rodders** Thu 31 May 2012, 8:26 pm

Sin é wrote:
I'd say Mr Penney's Canterbury has been as good, if not better - a fair few greats have started their careers on that team (McCaw & Carter for starters).

Nice counter punch Sin! clap

Just when I thought they had you on the ropes sir! boxing

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 8:27 pm

valjester wrote:
Notch wrote:You're lack of knowledge is painful.

2- Niall Annett, Tom Sexton, Niall Scannell, Duncan Casey, Dermot Murphy,
3- Adam Macklin, Jamie Hagan, Jack McGrath can play both sides, Tadhg Furlong, John Ryan, Alan Cotter,
4- Iain Henderson, Ben Marshall, Dave Foley, Ian Nagle, Brian Hayes, Docv2, Cathal O'Flaherty, David Nolan, Daniel Qualter, Mick Kearney,
7- Dom Ryan, Ali Birch, Jordi Murphy, Dan Leavy, Brian O'Hara, Shane Conneely,
10- Paddy Jackson, JJ Hanrahan, James McKinney, Noel Reid, Cathal Marsh, Jack Carty
12- JJ Hanrahan, Luke Marshall, Chris Farrell, Peter Nelson, Noel Reid

Not all will make it. But you're showing a fair degree of stupidity in writing players like Madigan off just because the best outhalf in Ireland is ahead of him.

Just to add some players to your list, and that just who I can think of at the moment and I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Players who can play two positions were put in twice.

All unproven. I haven't written madigan off (I rate him). But he has a fair bit to go yet. Why isn't he allowed to take placekicks?

by eirebilly Thu 31 May 2012, 8:29 pm

[quote="Sin é"]

eirebilly wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:[

I wouldn't be thinking too much about the Leinster academy except that we're frequently told that it is the best academy in the whole wide world.

I dont think that we are being told that at all, that may be your impression but i dont see it that way.

Munster and Leinster are finding some great home grown talent and producing them.

Its also Val's

Sin é man, love you to your bones, these threads would be dead without you Very Happy

Shame i am a stepford wife Wink

by Sin é Thu 31 May 2012, 8:30 pm

valjester wrote:
Sin é wrote:
valjester wrote:
Sin é wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Leinster has always had a core of decent players. They did throw the chequebook out and buy some top class players to bring them sucess but they never lost sight of the bigger picture and that was developing home grown talent. Play against or train with the best and you will learn to be the best. Its a very good buisness model.
Ulster are doing exactly the same and they are reaping the rewards.

Cronin/Straus, Ross or Reddan/Boss aren't really top class players for starters. They are alright, like. You'd expect Leinster's academy to be able to produce players to an equivalent standard.

Or maybe the Munster academy could?

It does.

So you're proud that the players developed by the Munster academy aren't really top class players?

Where did pride come into it?

I'm just not over-hyping them.

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