Re: Irish Summer Tour Squad

by **rodders** Tue 29 May - 15:04

First topic message reminder :

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Sin, I wouldn't get impatient with people for having to post things 3 times. People must have posted the same thing to you at least 50 times and you are none the wiser..

Sin mate, read what Boyne has said again. It makes perfect sense to me but once again you don't seem able to repond to a specific point with a specific answer.

No one asked you who you would select, so I don't know why you need to repost it.

Boyne is pointing out that no one is arguing for Tuohys inclusion at Ryans expense so why are you comparing them?

by Gibson Thu 31 May - 22:48

SIN E Rocks!

Im just jealous. He can bring crowds out to play - in a comment.

Rock On SIN E!

You are essential to the survival of V2. FACT.

Mods, mind him like GOLD.

Lose the rest of em. Boring basterds that they are.

by **Notch** Thu 31 May - 22:49

You're right Sin; you quite literally don't know what is.

by Sin é Thu 31 May - 22:58

Rory_Gallagher wrote:How is that wishful thinking from me? What am I wishing for?

That Earls will be sent back to the wing (or fullback) for Munster.

btw, great interview with Rob Penney where one of the things he says that he is looking forward to developing young Irishmen to play for Munster, Ireland and the Lions.

by Sin é Thu 31 May - 22:59

Gibson wrote:SIN E Rocks!

Im just jealous. He can bring crowds out to play - in a comment.

Rock On SIN E!

You are essential to the survival of V2. FACT.

Mods, mind him like GOLD.

Lose the rest of em. Boring basterds that they are.

Your not too bad yourself at getting the crowds out! thumbsup

by The Great Aukster Thu 31 May - 23:08

Since Bradley got Ireland playing with a certain freedom the last time Ireland toured NZ should Kidney have called him in for advice?

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 31 May - 23:08

Sin é wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:How is that wishful thinking from me? What am I wishing for?

That Earls will be sent back to the wing (or fullback) for Munster.

btw, great interview with Rob Penney where one of the things he says that he is looking forward to developing young Irishmen to play for Munster, Ireland and the Lions.

I am hardly wishing it, I don't really care where he plays for Munster. He is best in the back three though.

by The Great Aukster Thu 31 May - 23:40

Rory - I agree Earls looks to be best suited to the back three.

However he wants to be an outside centre but his problem is that Kidney sees him as a utility player.

by Sin é Thu 31 May - 23:50

The Great Aukster wrote:Rory - I agree Earls looks to be best suited to the back three.

However he wants to be an outside centre but his problem is that Kidney sees him as a utility player.

I think Kidney sees him as a definite starter when fit.

by Gibson Thu 31 May - 23:54

Penney may be the new Schmidt. I hope so for Munster & Ireland.

Apparently... and dont quote me on this, but down in NZ, they reckon Munster got by far the better coach. They dont rate Anscombe at all. They reckon he scored a job way above his capabilities.

Are Ulster fans worried about this? Mcloughlin should have been left at the helm imo. I think Ulster really phhoked up on that one.

Time alone, will tell.

by **Notch** Fri 1 Jun - 0:04

Believe moving McLaughlin aside was the right decision for the future development of this side. Jury is out on new coach; could be very successful here. He'd need to be; given Cheika and Kirwan wanted the Ulster job, Humph took a risk. If it pays off we'll be in a good place.

by ME-109 Fri 1 Jun - 0:12

Some facts for fun...a much maligned Munster b&I team won the cup beating the world class Ulster and Leinster tyros in the QF and SF .

Earls will always start for Ireland when fit, he has shown he is next in lime to BOD as OC. Cave is nothing more than a squad player as BOD showed in the QF.

Zebo scores lots of tries returns the ball well and the right question is why is Trimble going instead of Gilroy ( who was exposed in the HC final as were most of the Ulster players) except of course for Wallace and tuohy who were absolutely anonymous for 79 mins , 55 secs - the other 5 they managed to score a try between them.

The ospreys showed why we will struggle against the better teams as they nullified the leinster forwards and thereby showed up the limited half backs , which will be mirrored in the Irish games - more reason for Madigan to be brought forward.

who knows how the new coaches will do but i like the look of ours.

Ps..i hope leinster don't get ospreys in their group next year

by Gibson Fri 1 Jun - 0:19

Love you DOD. I am personally gagging to get Ospreys in our HC Pool next year. As you know... its not the Celtic League. We will hammer them. Home & Away. And you know it.

I wish Munster were 2nd tier too. They are in reality. 3rd tier? It may happen.

by red_stag Fri 1 Jun - 0:23

Anscombe is going to be the new Matt Williams

by Gibson Fri 1 Jun - 0:23

red_stag wrote:Anscombe is going to be the new Matt Williams

by **Notch** Fri 1 Jun - 0:25

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Headscratch

by Gibson Fri 1 Jun - 0:36

Notch wrote:Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Notch.

Believe.

by **rodders** Fri 1 Jun - 9:04

Gibson wrote:SIN E Rocks!

Im just jealous. He can bring crowds out to play - in a comment.

Rock On SIN E!

You are essential to the survival of V2. FACT.

Mods, mind him like GOLD.

Lose the rest of em. Boring basterds that they are.

+ 1

amen Gibbo guinness

......

by clivemcl Fri 1 Jun - 9:11

rodders wrote:
Gibson wrote:SIN E Rocks!

Im just jealous. He can bring crowds out to play - in a comment.

Rock On SIN E!

You are essential to the survival of V2. FACT.

Mods, mind him like GOLD.

Lose the rest of em. Boring basterds that they are.

+ 1

amen Gibbo ......

Nobody praises me when I have my meltdowns... Sad

by Mickado Fri 1 Jun - 9:13

The squeeky wheel gets the grease Clive. Don't take it personally.

I also suspect a few tongues are in danger of bursting through a few cheeks with those comments.

by **rodders** Fri 1 Jun - 9:15

Sin E doesn't have meltdowns Clive... he causes everyone else to have them ...... Whistle

by The Great Aukster Fri 1 Jun - 9:15

Gibson - font of positivity and conduit to universal energy - here's a conundrum for you.

Some Munster posters truly BELIEVE that DOC and ROG are still test class, that Zebo is ready to face the All Blacks and that Earls is a genuine 13.

So if they believe this with all their heart does it make it so?

by **rodders** Fri 1 Jun - 9:22

The Great Aukster wrote:
Some Munster posters truly BELIEVE that DOC and ROG are still test class, that Zebo is ready to face the All Blacks and that Earls is a genuine 13.

Aukster I'm not sure how to articulate this, because I agree with your sentiment, but in a roundabout way I believe all of the above to be true, certainly not beyond plausible.

However I do feel that there are better options, probably, than all of those guys and what I can't accept is that anyone who is even remotely objective could think that DOC and ROG in particular are the best options for us in their relative positions. The push for the other two has some merit though.

by clivemcl Fri 1 Jun - 9:29

IMO, it doesnt matter whether they are capable of being decent (or occassionally even better than decent), because the clock is ticking, theres another World Cup coming round. We simply need to move on and when the other options are basically banging the door down on you, the age and best before date should count against you.

ROG and DOC should be finished. For the simple reason the others who are equal* are younger. FACT.

*equal on a good day, but quite often better.

by red_stag Fri 1 Jun - 9:32

Ah Clive.

"FACT" - classic 606v1

by **rodders** Fri 1 Jun - 9:36

I have no problem with older players, provided your general age across the squad is with in a certain age bracket.. if your average starts creeping above 28 then you have problem coming.

Having a few players in their 30's isn't a problem for me, in fact its a plus provided they are still good enough and they are surrounded by youthful energy and fresh legs.

If you are good enough, then you are young enough.. I just don't believe either ROG and DOC are good enough anymore.

by clivemcl Fri 1 Jun - 9:37

In Fairness, I think you'd find it hard to find an international coach who wouldn't agree if presented with two equal candidates, with one having the advantage of youth. so yea... fact Whistle

I guess the disputed point is that people don't think Tuohy is the equal of DOC, nor Sexton the equal of ROG.

Thats just ludicrous.

by **rodders** Fri 1 Jun - 9:44

clivemcl wrote: :
I guess the disputed point is that people don't think Tuohy is the equal of DOC, nor Sexton the equal of ROG.

There's nothing equal about it for me Clive. I believe Tuohy and Toner are better than O'Callaghan and not only is Sexton far better than ROG, Madigan is better now too.

Thats not to say I don't believe ROG and DOC couldn't do a job if needed but neither for me are in the top 2 players in their position anymore. Great players in their pomp but they've had their time in the sun.

by red_stag Fri 1 Jun - 9:54

rodders wrote:If you are good enough, then you are young enough.. I just don't believe either ROG and DOC are good enough anymore.

Sums it all up for me.

They aren't good enough but I think people go way overboard about this youth thing.

by ME-109 Fri 1 Jun - 11:35

Gibson wrote:Love you DOD. I am personally gagging to get Ospreys in our HC Pool next year. As you know... its not the Celtic League. We will hammer them. Home & Away. And you know it.

I wish Munster were 2nd tier too. They are in reality. 3rd tier? It may happen.

We're shiite and we know we are...... kiss

by **rodders** Fri 1 Jun - 11:39

In case anyone hasn't heard the news:

https://www.606v2.com/t30132-eirebilly

Get well soon Billy Hug

by **Notch** Fri 1 Jun - 12:29

Gloucester have posted highlights of the Barbarians match;

http://www.gloucesterrugby.co.uk/news/8262.php

Craig Gilroy is the star. Defence is not; Zebo and Cave were made to look like fools for two soft tries and the other scores weren't exactly well defended either.

by **rodders** Fri 1 Jun - 12:46

Nice one Notch, will get a watch later

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 1 Jun - 13:10

Great stuff Notch,

Two of the BaaBaa's tries were really bad defending, the Tindall one was off really slow ball too which makes it even more frustrating. Balshaws try was very bad drift defence, Earls should have been covering one of the men in the line. Cave missed a bad tackle for van Zyl's try too.

Pass for Zebo's try was unreal by ROG. When he is flat he is pretty damn good at those bullet passes.

Sackey's try was embarressing.

Gilroy should be playing for Ireland soon he looks so good made mince meat of ballshaw and muliania.

Murray has persisted in taking a step or two before passing...this is most certainly not good

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 1 Jun - 13:13

Cave got done in a few times actually

by Hookisms and Hyperbole Fri 1 Jun - 13:19

So you know when I said about how good Cave's defence was? I think I'll let DOD come in here if he likes to mock me.

Isn't it funny that Murray was brought into the Irish side because people thought his passing was good and he got the ball away quickly?

by Rory_Gallagher Fri 1 Jun - 13:47

I would say it was just an off day for Cave. He has been pretty amazing in defence this year mostly. Also, the HEC campaign does seem to have taken its toll on some players. Leinster were not as good in defence either against the Ospreys. It has been a long season.

The best defending 13 around is Spence anyway, we all know that. Wink

by 1F'sgonnagetya! Fri 1 Jun - 14:42

Some shocking defending vs the Baa Baas.

Still can't believe Gilroy isn't going to NZ. Maybe he might not play but we need him on tours like this ASAP.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 1 Jun - 14:45

Some pretty poor defence from many but Cave caught out on a few of their tries (not drifting, bought the dummy hook line and sinker and getting boshed by Tindall off slow ball)

Murray's service is slooooooowwwww and he has started taking steps prior to passing

ROG at the gain line is actually pretty ok. See Zebo try and first Gilroy try

Gilroy is a sicko! He looks really good in all of these clips apart from one try where he breaks the line and should have made a smashing tackle but the guy kept coming

That famous pass people are going on about that Earls threw for Cave wasn't actually that great but Earls did seem to have a good game. Again just from watching the highlights

Would love to have seen some scrums and lineouts just to see how we fared there

by 1F'sgonnagetya! Fri 1 Jun - 14:54

From what I've read Pete, the scrum didn't do to well until later on in the game.

by Portnoy Fri 1 Jun - 15:51

I must have posted somewhere along the line but this article stays stubbornly on my watched posts - so this is an attempt to delete it from them.

p.s. que sera sera.

by Rava Fri 1 Jun - 15:53

Pete if you can get all of that out of a four minute clip id hate to have to read a full 80 minute report from you Whistle

by Sin é Fri 1 Jun - 16:01

Not going to go down well with the DOC haters here - Liam Toland in today Irish Times.

Of the four second rows Ryan must be Declan Kidney’s first choice which is an interesting development considering how he hadn’t captured Kidney’s imagination recently in the Six Nations. That said as I watched the Leinster-Ospreys game unfold in the RDS last Sunday I was struck by the thought that Ross didn’t scrummage as well without the monster Thorn in his backside, which brings combinations into play. John Afoa struggled immensely at tighthead for Ulster in Twickenham under the controlled wheel pressure from Leinster. Behind Afoa that day was Dan Tuohy who at times completely split from his partner Johann Muller.

Fitzpatrick and Tuohy had no such problems against Edinburgh in the semi-final. The scrum, being as crucial as ever, will exercise Kidney in selection and scrum coach Greg Feek in making the best of that selection. The obvious choice for the conservative Kidney is to pair up Ryan with O’Callaghan and, pending the backrow set up, have the versatile McCarthy on the bench.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0601/1224317059595.html

by Gibson Fri 1 Jun - 16:14

The Great Aukster wrote:Gibson - font of positivity and conduit to universal energy - here's a conundrum for you.

Some Munster posters truly BELIEVE that DOC and ROG are still test class, that Zebo is ready to face the All Blacks and that Earls is a genuine 13.

So if they believe this with all their heart does it make it so?

Errmm well... there's believing and being nicely misguided sometimes Ausk. Shane Jennings for Ireland! zen

by Portnoy Fri 1 Jun - 16:30

Portnoy wrote:I must have posted somewhere along the line but this article stays stubbornly on my watched posts - so this is an attempt to delete it from them.

p.s. que sera sera.

This Article is still turning up on my watched posts.

The software has failed.

So how do you prefer your eggs Gibbo?
Sunny side up, Curate's or addled?

by Rava Fri 1 Jun - 16:31

Sin é that's a bit over the top suggesting there are DOC haters among us. Shocked

There are those that hate the fact he has been taken on tour.

Not the same thing. Please choose your words more carefully.

by asoreleftshoulder Fri 1 Jun - 16:35

Yeah we all recognise he's been a very good player for Ireland in the past and is well known for being good craic and a decent guy.It's just that he isn't playing well enough.Personally I think he deserved a place in the squad but he shouldn't be in the first team.

by Gibson Fri 1 Jun - 16:36

Portnoy wrote:
Portnoy wrote:I must have posted somewhere along the line but this article stays stubbornly on my watched posts - so this is an attempt to delete it from them.

p.s. que sera sera.

This Article is still turning up on my watched posts.

The software has failed.

So how do you prefer your eggs Gibbo?
Sunny side up, Curate's or addled?

Fertilised dahling.

Even if you delete your posts Port, it will still come back to haunt you. Its Gods way of telling you to be nice to us Paddies. zen

by Portnoy Fri 1 Jun - 16:44

I call 'em Micks Gibbo.

by The Great Aukster Fri 1 Jun - 16:44

Of the four second rows Ryan must be Declan Kidney’s first choice which is an interesting development considering how he hadn’t captured Kidney’s imagination recently in the Six Nations. That said as I watched the Leinster-Ospreys game unfold in the RDS last Sunday I was struck by the thought that Ross didn’t scrummage as well without the monster Thorn in his backside, which brings combinations into play. John Afoa struggled immensely at tighthead for Ulster in Twickenham under the controlled wheel pressure from Leinster. Behind Afoa that day was Dan Tuohy who at times completely split from his partner Johann Muller.

Fitzpatrick and Tuohy had no such problems against Edinburgh in the semi-final. The scrum, being as crucial as ever, will exercise Kidney in selection and scrum coach Greg Feek in making the best of that selection. The obvious choice for the conservative Kidney is to pair up Ryan with O’Callaghan and, pending the backrow set up, have the versatile McCarthy on the bench.

So basically Toland is calling Kidney a fool for initially selecting Tuohy ahead of McCarthy.

by dublin_dave Fri 1 Jun - 16:52

ross did ok and held his own v paul james on sunday. all hell broke lose when he went off injured. I would read more into Twickenham to be honest. The Leinster scrum was not as bad 2nd half and the final YC was a harsh decision. White was awful in open play but did ok in scrums

Donners will start in first test anyway. I have not seen a shred of evidence that Mike Mc Carthy is international standard at 2nd row or flanker. Tuohy is a better player as is Toner for that matter.

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