Kell Brook vs Paul Williams?!?

As the title suggests, in an article from http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2011/04/kell-brook-eyeing-paul-williams-after.html

"Former British welterweight champion Kell Brook has announced his intention to supply Paul “The Punisher” Williams with a comeback opponent this summer as both men look to get back in the ring for the first time this year."

The article goes on to say that as Brook's contract with ol' Fish Eyes has recently expired he's looking for options, and sees Paul Williams as a viable one. Williams is apparently looking to move back down to 147, rather than oh, I dunno...maybe fight someone he might not have a 37" reach advantage over.

What's anyones' thoughts-do you think this is a tall order for Brook, or is he banking on the weight-hopping taking a toll on 'the Punisher'? It's about time Brook stepped up and started to make his name on a wider stage, but is Williams too much, too soon?

Months of inactivity, to comeback against a volume puncher who has been fighting at a much higher level. Brook needs to forget William's and sort his management out.

From someone ranked outside the top 400 to a guy who was on P4P lists not long ago. Right.

Surely just getting his name out there.

That's what I thought. If he had someone with Roach's reputation for gauging an opponent saying these things I'd be more inclined to think there was something to this, but can't see it as being a good choice given the difference between Williams and the domestic fodder Brook's had so far.

I'm all in favour of seeing that obnoxious c**t take a beating off Williams.

Bring it on.

Isnt Brook the number 1 guy in line for Pacquiaos Welterweight belt?

I assume Pacquiao would vacate rather than defend it against Brook so theres a possibility Brook would be fighting for the belt via an eliminator in the near future.

He needs to step up in class and his next opponent should be ranked WBO guy to keep him in the picture there. Malignaggi or Clottey would be decent shouts.

I dont see why Williams would be interested in Brook unless it was for a vacant WW title. But Williams is well ranked at Light Middle by most of the organisations so I dont see what a fight with Brook has to offer either fighter at this stage.

Can't see this happening wouldn't be good for Brook. Williams has fought at a much higher level. Don't see Williams being interested in fighting Brook.

He was supposed to be fighting Jones as an eliminator for the WBO title which may I guess be retrospectively made a title fight but not sure what happened to it.

Bob wrote:I'm all in favour of seeing that obnoxious c**t take a beating off Williams.

Bring it on.

Priceless.

Everything nicely into perspective with a single, beautifully dry and acerbic, one liner.

Isnt Brook the number 1 guy in line for Pacquiaos Welterweight belt?
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this is ridiculous, didn't Manny just vacate the LM title as a means of ducking Ryan Rhodes?

DAVE667 wrote:Isnt Brook the number 1 guy in line for Pacquiaos Welterweight belt?
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this is ridiculous, didn't Manny just vacate the LM title as a means of ducking Ryan Rhodes?

Be fair Dave as you well know Ryan Rhodes beat Jamie Moore, as an old time 606er we all know that Jamie Moore would have beaten Sugar Ray Robinson, is it any wonder Manny and everyone else is ducking Rhodes. To be honest Ryan may as well retire as he has no chance of securing a fight

DAVE667 wrote:Isnt Brook the number 1 guy in line for Pacquiaos Welterweight belt?
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this is ridiculous, didn't Manny just vacate the LM title as a means of ducking Ryan Rhodes?

Not at all! He sacrificed it so that someone else can have a go. He's selfless like that, y'know.

Back on-topic though, what exactly is the reason for Brook's career stalling? Seems a few Brits are having similar experiences-Murray, Barker and Brook all seem to be being left by the wayside.

rowley wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Isnt Brook the number 1 guy in line for Pacquiaos Welterweight belt?
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this is ridiculous, didn't Manny just vacate the LM title as a means of ducking Ryan Rhodes?

Be fair Dave as you well know Ryan Rhodes beat Jamie Moore, as an old time 606er we all know that Jamie Moore would have beaten Sugar Ray Robinson, is it any wonder Manny and everyone else is ducking Rhodes. To be honest Ryan may as well retire as he has no chance of securing a fight

That can't be allowed to happen Jeff as this would ensure Ryan secures a place at the top of the "best fighter never to win a World title" list and, in the name of Peter Jackson, I cannot allow that to happen!!!!!!!!

Think with Barker and Murray is the Hennessy factor, both have now left him so thinks should hopefully pick up for them. Think Brook has been a bit unlucky in he is going to have to wait Manny out. No way is he getting a Manny fight as he doesn't have the profile but as Warren will only want to take him his favoured WBO route have to think he will have to wait on Manny vacating and then pick up the vacant title.

Is amazing how many warren fighters pick up vacant WBO titles

BALTIMORA wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Isnt Brook the number 1 guy in line for Pacquiaos Welterweight belt?
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this is ridiculous, didn't Manny just vacate the LM title as a means of ducking Ryan Rhodes?

Not at all! He sacrificed it so that someone else can have a go. He's selfless like that, y'know.

Back on-topic though, what exactly is the reason for Brook's career stalling? Seems a few Brits are having similar experiences-Murray, Barker and Brook all seem to be being left by the wayside.

It's because the rest of the world know that once they fight them the British boys won't just beat them they'll end their careers.

I heard on 360 that facing any of the British lads would be more life threatening than entering a lions den, thieving it's lil cubs and then poking daddy in the eye with a stick before humping his lioness.

Barker was injured mainly.

Brook has just been matched soft. Warren has him well placed in the WBO and hes just been keeping his ranking spot ticking over fighting easy options. In terms of progressing as a fighter he may well be stalling, but career wise hes in a pretty handy spot at the moment without breaking much of a sweat.

I think with Murray the problem they feel is that he isnt really world class and they are trying to get a title shot by virtue of just hanging in there a keeping winning against lower level oppsosition. I dont think they want to risk him in a tough eliminator or by matching him tough. I think they want to just tread water until the tilte shot eventually comes knocking and then go for broke. Hes also making money off his Euro title so he has something else to lose.

This surely is a case of name dropping. Brook must be getting frustrated when he sees the limited Matthew Hatton lining up a a title shot against the lethargic Soulymane M'Baye.

Warren sees Brook as the new Naz but he's afraid to step him up in class lest he be make to look foolish like Mitchell was against Katsidis.

To be honest, I'm sick and tired of hearing about how Brook is "potentially world class" when his toughest fight to date was against Michael Jennings and that was stopped due to a cut. If we're talking about quality opposition, Brook has faced absolutely no-one of note.

Brook needs to step up in class but Williams is a step too far, he needs to get himself sorted out and get fighting again.

Dave bit harsh saying Mitchell was made to look foolish against Kats. Kats is a top fighter would love to see him get another crack at JMM.

prettyboy1304 wrote:Dave bit harsh saying Mitchell was made to look foolish against Kats. Kats is a top fighter would love to see him get another crack at JMM.

Not harsh at all, it was man against boy and he was badly outclassed. Yes Katsidis is good but time and again he's failed against some of the elite fighters (Casamayor, JMM) so how is Mitchell supposed to make THAT leap to genuine World Class is he can't get past fighters in the lower echelons of the top ten?

From what I hear Brook doesn't have the dedication or attitude to succeed at World Level. There are numerous stories of him being thrown out of the gym.

There is obviously a reason Warren hasn't got him the fights that people think he deserves, this could well be the reason.

Katsidis is good but every time he has stepped up to world level he has failed, even against a shot to pieces Casamayor.

Still, Mitchell was in no way prepared for a guy as good as him, he was fighting at British level before his step up and has a pretty basic style, not the best position to be in against a tough top 10 fighter like Kats.

Brook is in the same boat, although he isn't as limited as Mitchell, but still without decent tests before stepping up he has every chance of his lack of experience being shown up by a guy he could beat later down the line.

Oh, and;

Williams KO1 Brook

DAVE667 wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Dave bit harsh saying Mitchell was made to look foolish against Kats. Kats is a top fighter would love to see him get another crack at JMM.

Not harsh at all, it was man against boy and he was badly outclassed. Yes Katsidis is good but time and again he's failed against some of the elite fighters (Casamayor, JMM) so how is Mitchell supposed to make THAT leap to genuine World Class is he can't get past fighters in the lower echelons of the top ten?

Saying Mitchell was made to look foolish was harsh their is no shame in losing to Kats.

prettyboy1304 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote:Dave bit harsh saying Mitchell was made to look foolish against Kats. Kats is a top fighter would love to see him get another crack at JMM.

Not harsh at all, it was man against boy and he was badly outclassed. Yes Katsidis is good but time and again he's failed against some of the elite fighters (Casamayor, JMM) so how is Mitchell supposed to make THAT leap to genuine World Class is he can't get past fighters in the lower echelons of the top ten?

Saying Mitchell was made to look foolish was harsh their is no shame in losing to Kats.

We'll have to agree to differ then because whilst there's no shame in being beaten by good fighters, there's "being beaten" and "being widely outclassed"...ask Ricky Hatton!

That fight showed that Mitchell is still some way short or world title contention. As already stated, Katsidis himself isn't in the elite group so losing to him says a lot about levels.

I agree that Mitchell isn't on the same level as Kats their fight showed that. Mitchell has a very basic style and doesn't do anything particularly well. Kats isn't an elite level fighter my point is their is no shame in Mitchell losing to Kats he's not at his level.
Hatton was outclassed to the best 2 fighters around no shame in that has happened to more talented guys than Ricky.

He has signed with Matchroom Sports (Hearn).

prettyboy1304 wrote: Kats isn't an elite level fighter my point is their is no shame in Mitchell losing to Kats he's not at his level.
Hatton was outclassed to the best 2 fighters around no shame in that has happened to more talented guys than Ricky.

i'm with Dave on this. It was shameful the way he and all his fanboys bigged him up so badly, only for him to come out and stand opposite Katsidis looking like a bulb headed twelve year old who has been covered it tar and rolled on a barber's floor, before capitulating after the first punch thrown.

I could step in the ring against Katsidis and get my bum handed to me on a plate by the first meaningful punch. I expected a bit more from Mitchell, and his pathetic excuses afterwards (did he ever give Katsidis any credit?) shamed him even more.

Bob wrote:

prettyboy1304 wrote: Kats isn't an elite level fighter my point is their is no shame in Mitchell losing to Kats he's not at his level.
Hatton was outclassed to the best 2 fighters around no shame in that has happened to more talented guys than Ricky.

i'm with Dave on this. It was shameful the way he and all his fanboys bigged him up so badly, only for him to come out and stand opposite Katsidis looking like a bulb headed twelve year old who has been covered it tar and rolled on a barber's floor, before capitulating after the first punch thrown.

I could step in the ring against Katsidis and get my bum handed to me on a plate by the first meaningful punch. I expected a bit more from Mitchell, and his pathetic excuses afterwards (did he ever give Katsidis any credit?) shamed him even more.

I never liked the fact he never gave Kats any credit and tried to make excuses my point is Mitchell was out of his depth their is no shame in that.

Mitchell got his tactics wrong as well in that fight you never know if he was correct tactically he may have stood a chance, but he played into Kats hands by trying to be aggressive against someone who is in my opinion anyway a bit of a warrior. Also as for Williams vs. Brooks that is SHOCKING, shocking in the fact that Williams would take that fight and SHOCKING with the fact that Brooks would take that fight, but they obviouslyfeel that Brooks could be an easy target but yet respected opponent - a good opponent to come back against seeing as he has had noone of real quality - however Brooks is not known in America for how highly he is regarded, and whatever you wanna say about Brooks previous opponents you have to grant him the fact that he is now taking on a world level opponent (a very quick jump up) but he has now brought himself into a tough fight at long last, let's all see how good he really is!

I didnt think Mitchell was particularly aggressive at all in the fight. He probably won the first round by remaining elusive but as soon as Katsidas applied the pressure Mitchell just folded. He just didnt have the strength to keep Katsidas at bay.

Personally don't think there's anything wrong with Brook taking the Williams fight.

if we look back over the past few years we've decent decent Euro level fighters being gifted "World title chances"

Lockett/Pavlik
Jennings/Cotto
Brook/Williams?

...and one of the common factors? Each of the non-Brit opponents was coming of a serious drubbing. Seems par for the course these days. No doubt if/when Haye batters Wlad, we'll see Wlad take the Chisora fight or even 'fancy his chances' against big John McDermott.

JOHN MCDERMOTT!? BECOMING THE HW CHAMPION!? If that happens I will officially boycott the HW scene until he loses his first defence, no offence to him but it just shouldn't happen and it shows how weak the HW scene is if pleople are talking about him for a World Title Shot! (Of course I would realistically love to see another Brit become a HW Champion but John McDermott?)

manos de piedra wrote:I didnt think Mitchell was particularly aggressive at all in the fight. He probably won the first round by remaining elusive but as soon as Katsidas applied the pressure Mitchell just folded. He just didnt have the strength to keep Katsidas at bay.

I meant after he started to get caught, he didn't respond well and went into Macho mode and decided to throw everything back but was no match for Kats strength, I don't mean no offence to Kats guys I LOVE watching him, but let's be fair he hasn't actually got great Boxing technique, he's pretty much just a smaller Australian Antonio Margarito and when you come up against guys like Marquez that you can't grind down, they won't win because like Margarito he is one dimensional. How many times have you seen him jabbing and moving around off the back foot? He comes to fight like a warrior which I love to see, but you will seriously struggle to be recognised as one of the best boxers on the planet by using that style because you're gonna get caught out by people that can use there boxing skills.

This would be a good fight for Kell, getting flung in at the deep end but he is very talented and would get him some TV time and media coverage in America. Don't see it happening though Williams can attract a bigger name than Brook even after his KO to Martinez.

prettyboy1304 wrote:This would be a good fight for Kell, getting flung in at the deep end but he is very talented and would get him some TV time and media coverage in America. Don't see it happening though Williams can attract a bigger name than Brook even after his KO to Martinez.

Good call, however soooo risky going up against such a tough opponent when he's never truly experienced world level, and going up against one of the toughest WW i could really think of! But I guess you can't really accuse him of taking it easy any more now he's out of Warren's Wonder bra!