JWC: Irish and Baby Bok squads announced.

First topic message reminder :

The Irish and Baby Bok teams have been announced.

Irish team:

15. Peter Nelson (Dungannon/Ulster)
14. Barry Daly (UCD/Leinster)
13. Foster Horan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
12. Chris Farrell (Dungannon/Ulster)
11. Sam Coghlan Murray (UCD/Leinster)
10. JJ Hanrahan (UL Bohemians/Munster) *
9. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) *
1. Des Merrey (Clontarf/Leinster)
2. Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) (capt)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) *
4. Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Leinster)
5. Iain Henderson (Queen's University/Ulster) *
6. Jordan Coghlan (UCD/Leinster)
7. Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
8. Conor Gilsenan (UCD/Mullingar/Leinster)

Replacements:

16. James Rael (Garryowen/Munster)
17. Peter Reilly (Lansdowne/Leinster)
18. Jake Cawley (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
19. Alan O'Connor (UCD/Leinster)
20. Aaron Conneely (Corinthians/Connacht) *
21. Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster)
22. Jack Carty (Buccaneers/Connacht)
23. Mikey Sherlock (Clontarf/Leinster)

Baby Boks:

15. Dillyn Leyds (DHL Western Province)
14. Paul Jordaan (KZN)
13. Pat Howard (DHL Western Province)
12. Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
11. Raymond Rhule (Toyota Free State)
10. Tony Jantjies (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
9. Abrie Griesel (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
8. Fabian Booysen (MTN Golden Lions)
7. Wiaan Liebenberg (Vodacom Blue Bulls, captain)
6. Shaun Adendorff (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
5. Pieter Steph du Toit (KZN)
4. Paul Willemse (MTN Golden Lions)
3. Allan Dell (KZN)
2. Mark Pretorius (MTN Golden Lions)
1. Steven Kitshoff (DHL Western Province)

Reserves:
16. Jason Thomas (Vodacom Blue Bulls)
17. Oliver Kebble (DHL Western Province)
18. Ruan Botha (MTN Golden Lions)
19. Braam Steyn (KZN)
20. Vian van der Watt (MTN Golden Lions)
21. Handrè Pollard (DHL Western Province)
22. Tshotsho Mbovane (DHL Western Province)
23. Maks van Dyk (KZN)



The game is on Monday at 5.45 Irish time, I think its live on TG4 and possibly Sky Sports.

Sin é wrote:

geoff998rugby wrote:Allen Clarke has, I believe, had nothing to do with the current Academy players at Ulster.

Mike Ruddock has nothing to do with the Leinster Academy either.

As per usual you miss the original point being made

Als
o mention of the B & I. Those teams are different beasts to the Academy players.

Sin é wrote:

Munster mainly use Academy players in the B+I Cup (with a spine of experience). Quite a few of them are on their first contract as well.

Hanrahan, Kilcoyne, O'Dea, DOC2, O'Hara are still in the Munster Academy and all featured in the B+I Cup this season.

There is some cross over but many of the players in the B & I teams are not eligable for the Academy teams and therefore to compare is not to compare like with like

Mickado wrote:So Sin, if Munster win the B&I cup again next year but the academy don't produce players who are capable of playing at (minimum) Pro12 standard would that be acceptable?

These are some of the teams that they came up against:

Ulster - QF: Conor Gatson, Michael Allen, Chris Farrell, Luke Marshall, Chris Cochrane; Paddy Jackson, Blane McIlroy, Paddy McAllister, Nigel Brady (Capt.) Jerry Cronin; Tim Barker, Neil McComb, Conor Joyce, Ali Birch, Mike McComish Replacements: Niall Annett, Conor Carey, Richard Lutton, James Simpson, Iain Henderson, Ian Porter, James McKinney.

Leinster: SF: D Kearney; A Conway, B Macken, C O'Shea, F Carr; N Reid, L McGrath; J McGrath, A Dundon, M Moore; D Browne, M Flanagan; R Ruddock, D Ryan, L Auva'a. Replacements: C Marsh for O'Shea (ht); A Boyle for Marsh (43 mins); J O'Connell for Moore (69); J Murphy for Browne (75); T Sexton for Dundon (77 mins): M Healy for Kearney (90 mins).

Some of those two teams are regarded as Pro 12 standard (if not international standard)!

[quote="geoff998rugby"][quote="Sin é"]

geoff998rugby wrote:Allen Clarke has, I believe, had nothing to do with the current Academy players at Ulster.

Mike Ruddock has nothing to do with the Leinster Academy either.

As per usual you miss the original point being made

I didn't miss you giving Leinster a dig because Ruddock is based there.

that's ok, you dont have to answer the question if you dont want to!

Of the 15 who took to the field in the "A" final, I think the follwoing are in the academy or have come through: Scanlon, O'Dea, Barnes, Dineen, Deasy, Kilcoyne, Archer, Nagle, O'Hara, Butler, O'Callaghan. That's not that bad.

Yeah, Munster are doing just fine.

I expect big things from munster next year

[quote="Sin é"][quote="geoff998rugby"]

Sin é wrote:

geoff998rugby wrote:Allen Clarke has, I believe, had nothing to do with the current Academy players at Ulster.

Mike Ruddock has nothing to do with the Leinster Academy either.

As per usual you miss the original point being made

I didn't miss you giving Leinster a dig because Ruddock is based there.

Another whoosh moment

My comment, it was not a dig at anybody, had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Ruddock.

Why do you look for a confrontation when none is intended

Aw come on Geoff, we are all anti-Munster, we always have been, always will be. Lets not lie to poor old Sin..

OK watching this now....

First thoughts... these baby boks are monsters...gees the physiques on them! But fair play our lads have really fronted up, delighted with the tackling, rucking/contact skills and commitment. Fantastic stuff.

Henderson is a dynamo! What a prospect this guy is, He's like O'Connell and Ferris rolled into one!

Marmion has improved a lot, very good passing off his left hand in particular.

Hanaran is a genius.. but he's not a fly-half.... he's not even a 12 I think.... get this kid at outside centre and he'll be the next Brian O'Driscoll, you heard it here first...

Why the flip does that Baby bok 9 keep box kicking when he keeps getting charged down?.....

Why do you think Hanrahan would make a good 13 rodders? Hanrahan is a genius, and that is why he is best at 10/12. He just looks like he has the natural flair and skills to play in those positions. I think he would bring the best out in his 13.

He reminds me of O'Driscoll Rory, with his quick feet, acceleration and box of magic tricks..... 12 maybe, 13 possibly, 10 defintely not in a million years in my opinion. Stick him in the wide channels and he'll cause mayhem...

Geniuses can play 13 too Rory...ask BOD or Conrad smith...

rodders wrote:He reminds me of O'Driscoll Rory, with his quick feet, acceleration and box of magic tricks..... 12 maybe, 13 possibly, 10 defintely not in a million years in my opinion. Stick him in the wide channels and he'll cause mayhem...

Geniuses can play 13 too Rory...ask BOD or Conrad smith...

madigan at 10 and JJ at 12 or 13 how good does that sound...it brings a smile to my face just thinking about it

McGrath, Jackson/Madigan, Hanrahan, Spence, Gilroy, Zebo, Kearney jr

That'll do for a decade

Sounds good to me anyways...... Luke Marshall at 12 and the world would be there for the taking...... back 3 of Gilroy, Zebo and Kearney jr... the mind just boggles.....

Ha ha Geoff...great minds

Yeah Spence will be the future at 13, with Hanrahan inside him. I know it!

"No rugby player should be called a genius, a genius is someone like Norman Einstien"

-Jono Gibbs

Mickado wrote:"No rugby player should be called a genius, a genius is someone like Norman Einstien"

-Jono Gibbs

Good but still not as good as...

"I can’t really remember the names of the clubs that we went to.” Chris Masoe (Hurricanes) on whether he had visited the Pyramids during his visit to Egypt