Scotland V Aus

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It's quite simple, Scotland have the set peice to absolutely dominate. The weather is poor, and Aus have an uninspiring backline for their standards. Scotland have the beef, and the preperation, Aus have 6 debutants!

Surely this game can only go one way?

wales606 wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I can just imagine how the Scots are going to rag the Welsh if the Welsh don't win.

Dare I say that?

But Wales are going to win...

you better mate, otherwise......

Bullsbok wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:whats your problem bulls?

Should be celebrating the Scots not predicting Welsh wins

Did you celebrate when the Scots beat your beloved Bokke machine?

Morgannwg wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:whats your problem bulls?

Should be celebrating the Scots not predicting Welsh wins

Did you celebrate when the Scots beat your beloved Bokke machine?

Not then, I can assure you, but right now, I am reeeeeeeeeallllllllllllllllllllllyy happy for them.

anotherworldofpain wrote:

Well these condition suit a lot Scotland

Not really - scotland has a backline packed full of fast wee guys with great ball playing skills and loads of mobile forwards - a dry ground suits better. Ok the conditions were worse for Aus perhaps but Scotland would be better on dry ground

bulls- i only replied to someone else- everyone is doing this sround me and i have congratulated scotland- so get of your high horse or apply some consitancy and have a pop at everyone else!

Pressure is certainly on Wales now. If they come back winless history won't tell that a Scottish side on a losing streak put it behind them by overcoming a depleted Aussie XV (though not entirely depleted in fairness), it'll just tell that every Lions side bar Wales managed a win against Oz down south in the three seasons preceding the tour.

Not trying to draw the conversation from Scotland, it's their day and they deserve every plaudit, but as a Welsh fan I can't help but think of it this way. All the more reason to eliminate the SH bogey here and now, the players should let that determination and urgency seep through them. They cannot afford to slip into the wrong mindset and let that pressure mess with them mentally.

We can certainly learn a thing or two from Scotland on that display. That's two years in a row the Wallabies have played into the hands of a determined NH defence and been bested through the forwards. With their backs nullified they look like one of the most frustrated teams around.

Wales need to assert themselves through the forwards (earn as many pens as possible through scrums), keep a thick defensive line so as to prevent the Aussie backs from bursting, at least match them at the breakdown and make them pay at almost every opportunity. We're going to have to be composed as we ever have been. I feel we're going to bear the brunt of a strong Wallaby resurgence after today so our task has just gotten that much harder. Curse you Scots

Congratulations Scotland and Welsh fans believe

mystiroakey wrote:bulls- i only replied to someone else- everyone is doing this sround me and i have congratulated scotland- so get of your high horse or apply some consitancy and have a pop at everyone else!

Can we not making the fight here please. It's tired to read all the posts making worse into the fight. Quite a lot of serious things to make comment about this game and not just comment about some other posters.

My mind is Barnes was poor at 10. He didn't controlling the position and make a terrible drop goal attempt instead of keep up the pressure. Will Cooper be back in for Wales?

anotherworldofpain wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:bulls- i only replied to someone else- everyone is doing this sround me and i have congratulated scotland- so get of your high horse or apply some consitancy and have a pop at everyone else!

Can we not making the fight here please. It's tired to read all the posts making worse into the fight. Quite a lot of serious things to make comment about this game and not just comment about some other posters.

My mind is Barnes was poor at 10. He didn't controlling the position and make a terrible drop goal attempt instead of keep up the pressure. Will Cooper be back in for Wales?

Oi, dont respond in that way to me pal. I am not on here for a fight. But if you want one then feel free to reply to my post again, and i will tell you what i think or your irony

Unfortunately, for wales, that could be the rocket up the rump that sparks oz. Then again, maybe oz won't have the goods regardless. Then again, you wont see weather like that again, which you'd have to concede, didn't suit oz.

Well done the scots (again), my gran would have been proud

Anyone see an interview with dingo, was he squirming?

thebluesmancometh wrote:What a performance of free flowing rugby, blowing the Aus out of their way. Very creative, great attacking threat and defencive effort!!
Seriously though, anyone think that a better picked Scot lineup wouldve taken this poor Oz side to peices first half?

Did you actually watch the game lad.................
it couldnt have been worse conditions for set piece rugby, blowing a gail, coming down in buckets, wind coming from both directions because of the location.

At the end of the day we have won away in the southern hemisphere again, must sound like a broken record to all you Welsh. but ain't it the truth

Our pack was not selected for these type of conditions, certainly selected for fast rugby and missing key players didn't help, IMHO back line is just as creative and potent as any the other 6Ns sides can put out and on a warm sunny it would have shown that quality.

Lets see come next 6Ns what a more experienced Hogg, Scott, Brown, Weir can do to your back line

Another southern hemisphere win for our buys COME ON SCOTLAND

Look boys it's the stats pad!

http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/155532.html

Scotlands defence was superior. As was the kicks at goal .

I am amazed by this result- i could almost see it coming mind. scotland are much better than there ranking and i honestly believe aus are only on a par with england at best.

rankings are a littole bit wonky at present- its up to us in the NH to keep winning.

I wish us all well!

anotherworldofpain wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:bulls- i only replied to someone else- everyone is doing this sround me and i have congratulated scotland- so get of your high horse or apply some consitancy and have a pop at everyone else!

Can we not making the fight here please. It's tired to read all the posts making worse into the fight. Quite a lot of serious things to make comment about this game and not just comment about some other posters.

My mind is Barnes was poor at 10. He didn't controlling the position and make a terrible drop goal attempt instead of keep up the pressure. Will Cooper be back in for Wales?

The drop kick was a good idea, Australia needed points on the board to pressurise Scotland, in reality they should have taken the penalties when they had them and they really showed their lack of experience in the second half.Scotland on the other hand played the conditions and took their chances, they made an excellent break at the end and then exposed their strengths at the end.

Not taking away from the scottish win at all, as this will also apply to the welsh game, but Australia really need Beale and O'Connor ASAP.

they needed O'Connor to kick a couple of those penalties, other than he would of froze.

At the end of the day we have won away in the southern hemisphere again, must sound like a broken record to all you Welsh. but ain't it the truth

What's with the hostility? This is a good day to be Scottish and I've seen nothing but congrats being dished out, begrudgingly or otherwise, so why do things need to get snippy?

Obviously bluesman was either being sarcastic or only watched tiny snippets of the game to get the impression it was free-flowing and creative. He's right about the defence though, as I said it's up there with Ireland's win last year.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

they needed O'Connor to kick a couple of those penalties, other than he would of froze.

He could have played 10 (or 12, which I think is his best position). They are both danger men.

biltongbek wrote:I can just imagine how the Scots are going to rag the Welsh if the Welsh don't win.

Dare I say that?

Haha we are never lucky enough to encounter an Australian side under the circumstances the Scottish have today, they will be taking us seriously, not in a Tuesday game with their reserve side out!

God I am so happy right now!!! I was watching the game on a delayed recording. WHat a game!! Gritty to the very end but Scotland just remained calm and defensively they were epic! Really even contest but with 4 mins to go, an slim opportunity to win, they took it!!

We've been watching Ansbro and Strockosh smashing heads on repeat for the last 10 mins!! haha! They're just too happy to care they're bleeding and probably need stitches!

There was a lot of penalty awarded against attack team for "seal off" and enter off the feet.

This is again drift to rules before 2011 and I wondering if IRB content about it or thinking is too much favour the defense again?

Scotland make twice the tackles almost, but win twice the penalties on defense than attack.

Knowsit17 wrote:

At the end of the day we have won away in the southern hemisphere again, must sound like a broken record to all you Welsh. but ain't it the truth

What's with the hostility? This is a good day to be Scottish and I've seen nothing but congrats being dished out, begrudgingly or otherwise, so why do things need to get snippy?

Obviously bluesman was either being sarcastic or only watched tiny snippets of the game to get the impression it was free-flowing and creative. He's right about the defence though, as I said it's up there with Ireland's win last year.

Hello Knowsit mate

He harped on, all game that Scotland "no tries, no skill, no chnace of winning" rubbish performance............. then his saracstic sideways grudgingly "well dones", yet again a Welsh poster tars you all to the same brush

Lets get this straight for all concerned

The weather conditions didnt suit us more that the Aussies........ we selected a lightweight but fast pack, and a lightweight but creative backline.

We dont have a knack of bringing other teams down to our level at all............ we rose yet again to the level of the match and yet again beat a SH team in their own back yard.

This Aussie side had about 8 first team players so NO its not a reserve side playing a mid-week game mindset

No sideways congratulations please............. and no excuses "the Aussies will now be fired up for the match against us" (Wales), as they and you will treat the match as they would any other

Just back from watching it at my mates house. Wow, not a pretty sight, but what a result!

Great composure from Laidlaw at the end there, but highlight of the match was the Ansbro - Strockosh headbutt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaK3C1f8z3U&sns=em

well done scotland, you've really put the welsh under some pressure now.
what would the welsh supporters expect to be able to call their tour a success?

Congratulations to Scotland perhaps its more of a reflection of where they are than there poor 6 nations showning. Combined with Ireland's win over the boks at the Under 20 world cup great 24 hours for the Northern Hemisphere

AlynDavies wrote:

biltongbek wrote:I can just imagine how the Scots are going to rag the Welsh if the Welsh don't win.

Dare I say that?

Haha we are never lucky enough to encounter an Australian side under the circumstances the Scottish have today, they will be taking us seriously, not in a Tuesday game with their reserve side out!

Yes, Australia did not have their strongest XV out but to be fair, Scotland had seven or eight guys missing for a variety of reasons, six of whom would probably have started had they been available.

For the 12th ranked team to get a result away at the 2nd ranked team is fantastic achievement.

Morgannwg wrote:Look boys it's the stats pad!

http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/match/155532.html

Scotlands defence was superior. As was the kicks at goal .

Where do they make up these stats???

Barclay 1 turnover....watched him get two in first 20 mins

Pocock 0 turnovers.....garbage

You are reading it wrong. The turnovers count as turnovers you have conceded, not turnovers made.

why do we need to know who conceaded the turnovers but we dont need to know who made them.. seems abit silly to me. but yeah you are right

I never knew that RG, always assumed it would be turnovers you gained as most of the other stats are positive (yards, tackles, clean breaks).

Not sure why people think the pressure is on Wales?
Australia have just lost at home to a side ranked far lower than them so in my book that puts the pressure on Australia to win their next match.
The Scottish win is going to boost Wales and if anything take some of the pressure off us.
Todays win is exactly what Scottish rugby needed It's a good side that deserves being higher up the rankings.

In my eyes the pressure is on both cymroglan. its just that this forum has a stronger NH pressence- therefore we are talking from the welsh pespective.

Trust me there is no pressure taken of you lot , its intensified, everyone but you lot can beat em - and in englands case its normally quite easy as well. Time for you boyos to step up

but then abit of pressure never hurt anyone

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Not taking away from the scottish win at all, as this will also apply to the welsh game, but Australia really need Beale and O'Connor ASAP.

I don't think they'd have made a lot of difference in those conditions. It's not like either team really tried to play and couldn't. Both teams knew it was a forwards game and Scotland had the more nous on the day.

The two Cusiter turnovers were key for me. Both came on good Aus attacks and it just seemed to suck the confidence out of the aussies. I might go as far as to say they won the match for Scotland. Great day to be Scottish.

Well done Scotland. I'm glad for Andy Robinsons sake they got a good result.

oh yeah good point - forgot about robbo!!

glad for all

profitius wrote:Well done Scotland. I'm glad for Andy Robinsons sake they got a good result.

I don’t think he’s a bad coach though, I really don’t. He might be tactically unaware at times but he’s coached Scotland to some great wins!

Coleman wrote:

profitius wrote:Well done Scotland. I'm glad for Andy Robinsons sake they got a good result.

he’s coached Scotland to some great wins!

Unfortunately not when its really mattered most. Still glad for him today and gives us a great platform for the rest of the tour.

Coleman wrote:

profitius wrote:Well done Scotland. I'm glad for Andy Robinsons sake they got a good result.

I don’t think he’s a bad coach though, I really don’t. He might be tactically unaware at times but he’s coached Scotland to some great wins!

rubbish -= he is well out of his depth and he and him alone cost Scotland dear in the 6N - Scotland would be a better team without him

Well done Scotland... What a great start to the tour...!

TJ we all know your hate for him. but we are allowed to credit him for today- this could be your turning point

TJ wrote:

Coleman wrote:

profitius wrote:Well done Scotland. I'm glad for Andy Robinsons sake they got a good result.

I don’t think he’s a bad coach though, I really don’t. He might be tactically unaware at times but he’s coached Scotland to some great wins!

rubbish -= he is well out of his depth and he and him alone cost Scotland dear in the 6N - Scotland would be a better team without him

TJ
You haven't a clue have you

Out of interest if we win the 2013 six nations, would you then give him some credit?

123456789 wrote:Out of interest if we win the 2013 six nations, would you then give him some credit?

Never gonna happen. However as a welsh fan Im not overly confident about a visit to murrayfield next year.

TycroesOsprey wrote:

123456789 wrote:Out of interest if we win the 2013 six nations, would you then give him some credit?

Never gonna happen. However as a welsh fan Im not overly confident about a visit to murrayfield next year.

Well with possibly 3 to 4 key players out we still beat a top 3 SH side in their own back yard. So if we have the rub of the green with the following core players we are more than a match for any 6Ns side including the current "slam" champions

15 Hogg / Brown
14 Visser / Jones
11 Lamont / Evans

13 NDL / Ansbro Dunbar
12 Scott

10 Laidlaw / Weir
9 Blair / Cusiter / Laidlaw

8 Barclay / Denton / McInally
7 Rennie
6 Denton / Vernon

5 Kellock / Hamiliton
4 Gray

3 Murray / Cross
2 Ford / Lawson
1 Grant / Chunk

This'll make losing to Fiji or Samoa all the more ridiculous. As people have suggest, Wales failing to win should be considered a complete disaster given how much they like to overhype themselves.

mystiroakey wrote:TJ we all know your hate for him. but we are allowed to credit him for today- this could be your turning point

Why? he set up to play a ten man kicking game no matter what the weather. He picks the wrong player for the tactic or the wrong tactics for the players

He has consistently failed as a international coach. good club coach, not up to it as an international one.

Just go back to the negative and defensive selections for the opening game of the 6N and the disgraceful way he treated Parks.

flyhalffactory wrote:

TJ wrote:

Coleman wrote:

profitius wrote:Well done Scotland. I'm glad for Andy Robinsons sake they got a good result.

I don’t think he’s a bad coach though, I really don’t. He might be tactically unaware at times but he’s coached Scotland to some great wins!

rubbish -= he is well out of his depth and he and him alone cost Scotland dear in the 6N - Scotland would be a better team without him

TJ
You haven't a clue have you

Oh yes I have . consistent negative selections, consistent negative game plans, consistent fall down the rankings, whitewash in the 6n. a record to be proud of.

...Home and away victory over Australia...

TJ wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:TJ we all know your hate for him. but we are allowed to credit him for today- this could be your turning point

Why? he set up to play a ten man kicking game no matter what the weather. He picks the wrong player for the tactic or the wrong tactics for the players

He has consistently failed as a international coach. good club coach, not up to it as an international one.

Just go back to the negative and defensive selections for the opening game of the 6N and the disgraceful way he treated Parks.

UTTER TOSH

The side today was selected with mobility in mind with with our half backs linking forward and back play through quick ball, we dropped the ball FOUR times today when the try was begging so no I dont think it was a staid negative performance. Laidlaw isnt exactly a kicking FH and Hogg isnt exactly a kicking FB, as was the French game in the 6Ns. A ten man kicking game was as far from the truth as it could be.

So winning against SH teams in their own backyard is consistently failing is it? strewth give me strength

Apart from the first 6Ns game (Parks incident) please give us another example of your opinon

Whether dry or rain, Scotland won the back row fight and master the scrum.

Is wet weather so they play conservative game and not try score always the try. Contrast to Australia who didn't take the penalty goals and could not score the try.

So maybe one coach is better than the other and is Deans who not making international scale?

is TJ a 21st century Multi?