Scotland V Aus

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It's quite simple, Scotland have the set peice to absolutely dominate. The weather is poor, and Aus have an uninspiring backline for their standards. Scotland have the beef, and the preperation, Aus have 6 debutants!

Surely this game can only go one way?

Scotland did very well today especialy with the weather that they played in.
Hands up who would of thought that Scotland would win against Australia IN Australia.

This win now puts Enoorrrrrrrrrrmous strain on Wales to come away with a win on saturday. But they could well be in for massive backlash from Australia.

TJ, can you explain to me when was this 10 man game plan you are talking about?

flyhalffactory wrote:

TJ wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:TJ we all know your hate for him. but we are allowed to credit him for today- this could be your turning point

Why? he set up to play a ten man kicking game no matter what the weather. He picks the wrong player for the tactic or the wrong tactics for the players

He has consistently failed as a international coach. good club coach, not up to it as an international one.

Just go back to the negative and defensive selections for the opening game of the 6N and the disgraceful way he treated Parks.

UTTER TOSH

The side today was selected with mobility in mind with with our half backs linking forward and back play through quick ball, we dropped the ball FOUR times today when the try was begging so no I dont think it was a staid negative performance. Laidlaw isnt exactly a kicking FH and Hogg isnt exactly a kicking FB, as was the French game in the 6Ns. A ten man kicking game was as far from the truth as it could be.

So winning against SH teams in their own backyard is consistently failing is it? strewth give me strength

Apart from the first 6Ns game (Parks incident) please give us another example of your opinon

Its not utter tosh. Robinson said in an interview yesterday the game plan was to kick for touch and pressure their lineout. Its clear that was his intended tactic. i quite agree that he picked the wrong team to play that tactic - but that is what he did.

another example? Playing Shug in the centres consitently. Putting Weir on the bench for a game then dropping him in favour of Jackson, making Kelloch Captain in the WC then dropping him

biltongbek wrote:TJ, can you explain to me when was this 10 man game plan you are talking about?

From an interview Robinson gave yesterday. thats what he said he was aiming to do. Kick for touch.

TJ wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

TJ wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:TJ we all know your hate for him. but we are allowed to credit him for today- this could be your turning point

Why? he set up to play a ten man kicking game no matter what the weather. He picks the wrong player for the tactic or the wrong tactics for the players

He has consistently failed as a international coach. good club coach, not up to it as an international one.

Just go back to the negative and defensive selections for the opening game of the 6N and the disgraceful way he treated Parks.

UTTER TOSH

The side today was selected with mobility in mind with with our half backs linking forward and back play through quick ball, we dropped the ball FOUR times today when the try was begging so no I dont think it was a staid negative performance. Laidlaw isnt exactly a kicking FH and Hogg isnt exactly a kicking FB, as was the French game in the 6Ns. A ten man kicking game was as far from the truth as it could be.

So winning against SH teams in their own backyard is consistently failing is it? strewth give me strength

Apart from the first 6Ns game (Parks incident) please give us another example of your opinon

Its not utter tosh. Robinson said in an interview yesterday the game plan was to kick for touch and pressure their lineout. Its clear that was his intended tactic. i quite agree that he picked the wrong team to play that tactic - but that is what he did.

another example? Playing Shug in the centres consitently. Putting Weir on the bench for a game then dropping him in favour of Jackson, making Kelloch Captain in the WC then dropping him

When did he ever play Shug in the centre?

Whats wrong with him selecting that tactic for this game? He knew the weather was going to be like this, so surely it was the right call?
And to suggest that our gameplan has been negative recently is garbage. Since Parks finally went, weve tried to play with adventure. Too much adventure at times even.

Dont get me wrong, im no fan of robinson, and one swallow does not make a summer as we have seen from results under his leadership before, but you cant just start making things up

Can someone explain to me in straightforward prose and using short words why this win for Scotland puts more pressure on Wales to win?

Don't most people acknowledge that the Super 15 window meant that Dingo was limited in his possible team team selection and he will have a completely different pool to dip into for the Wales test series? If so, how can the expectation for Wales be any different from the level it was yesterday?

I can certainly understand why one loss in a summer series puts a hell of a lot of pressure on the Wallabies to win, though.

Because hold the rank of "best in Europe" make you the target for attack from all.

And to stay there, must compete the best and get results. Wales like to get to 4th position. So have to take the points and Scotland steal some today! So now Wales must win to be seen as best in Europe and also win twice and by more points to jump England!

So more pressure! Simple.

George Carlin wrote:Can someone explain to me in straightforward prose and using short words why this win for Scotland puts more pressure on Wales to win?

Not on Wales rugby team George, but their posters on 606v2

TJ wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

TJ wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:TJ we all know your hate for him. but we are allowed to credit him for today- this could be your turning point

Why? he set up to play a ten man kicking game no matter what the weather. He picks the wrong player for the tactic or the wrong tactics for the players

He has consistently failed as a international coach. good club coach, not up to it as an international one.

Just go back to the negative and defensive selections for the opening game of the 6N and the disgraceful way he treated Parks.

UTTER TOSH

The side today was selected with mobility in mind with with our half backs linking forward and back play through quick ball, we dropped the ball FOUR times today when the try was begging so no I dont think it was a staid negative performance. Laidlaw isnt exactly a kicking FH and Hogg isnt exactly a kicking FB, as was the French game in the 6Ns. A ten man kicking game was as far from the truth as it could be.

So winning against SH teams in their own backyard is consistently failing is it? strewth give me strength

Apart from the first 6Ns game (Parks incident) please give us another example of your opinon

Its not utter tosh. Robinson said in an interview yesterday the game plan was to kick for touch and pressure their lineout. Its clear that was his intended tactic. i quite agree that he picked the wrong team to play that tactic - but that is what he did.

another example? Playing Shug in the centres consitently. Putting Weir on the bench for a game then dropping him in favour of Jackson, making Kelloch Captain in the WC then dropping him

So when does a coach say exactly what his team are going to do BEFORE a match!!!!!!!!!!!!.............. if he said we are going to play Hogg as hooker and Chunk as a super fast 10 would you believe him...... its mind games man

biltongbek wrote:

George Carlin wrote:Can someone explain to me in straightforward prose and using short words why this win for Scotland puts more pressure on Wales to win?

Not on Wales rugby team George, but their posters on 606v2

George haven't you experienced the imfamous Welsh Book Of Excuses by now

There'll be at least a bakers dozen before the match starts

I think it was a mistake for Australia to take this fixture at all. It was never going to be taken seriously.

They have a full schedule with Wales already so shoehorning in a midweek game was always likely to be experimental.

I feel sorry for Scotland, they deserve better than to have to play a second string midweek fixture in the middle of nowhere as part of their schedule. Although it does give them vital ranking points. They should beat Fiji, but I cant call Samoa. Hopefully this win will give them a boost to kick on rather than just a false dawn. Scotland needed a win after a poor 6 Nations.

Absolutely, and for them to face Wales in another 4 days is likely to be suicide, I wouls think half of these players will play again on Saturday which would provide them with the same recovery time as what the minnows had in the world cup.

Gordy wrote:I think it was a mistake for Australia to take this fixture at all. It was never going to be taken seriously.

They have a full schedule with Wales already so shoehorning in a midweek game was always likely to be experimental.

I feel sorry for Scotland, they deserve better than to have to play a second string midweek fixture in the middle of nowhere as part of their schedule. Although it does give them vital ranking points. They should beat Fiji, but I cant call Samoa. Hopefully this win will give them a boost to kick on rather than just a false dawn. Scotland needed a win after a poor 6 Nations.

Dont feel sorry for them, this makes them immune to micky taking till next years 6 nations.
They got a fixture against well matched opponents and won, something they dont get/do very often these days. Its a huge boost to their prestige.

For Aus....this game was a bad idea, organised for a spot of additional income. But theres not much point in having a union if you dont want to play rugby games.

Sydney Herald is report that many Wallabies need treatment for hypothermia after the game and might be doubtful to play again in four days.

Does anybody know it Horwill will be back for Wales? I think Wallabies lack some leadership today by Pocock.

you can only beat what your up against- still a great win.

shug? I meant Sean Lamont - sorry.

Whats wrong with him selecting that tactic for this game? He knew the weather was going to be like this, so surely it was the right call?

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He said it yesterday.

Ok guys - its just my opinion that is all but I firmly believe the few sucesses we have had under Robinson are despite him not because of him.

His record as an international coach is one of abject failure

Gordy wrote:I think it was a mistake for Australia to take this fixture at all. It was never going to be taken seriously.

They have a full schedule with Wales already so shoehorning in a midweek game was always likely to be experimental.

I feel sorry for Scotland, they deserve better than to have to play a second string midweek fixture in the middle of nowhere as part of their schedule. Although it does give them vital ranking points. They should beat Fiji, but I cant call Samoa. Hopefully this win will give them a boost to kick on rather than just a false dawn. Scotland needed a win after a poor 6 Nations.

Im not too bothered about having to play sideshow to the main event atm, our performances over the past 10 years have earned us nothing more. Its now our job to make the most of what opportunities come our way and work our way back up to the point where we are the side getting the 3 test series against sanzar nations.

Well played Scotland

flyhalffactory wrote:

George haven't you experienced the imfamous Welsh Book Of Excuses by now

There'll be at least a bakers dozen before the match starts

Stop stirring that keg of bitter with your wooden spoon and show some respect to the 'Grand Slammers' .

Morgannwg wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

George haven't you experienced the imfamous Welsh Book Of Excuses by now

There'll be at least a bakers dozen before the match starts

Stop stirring that keg of bitter with your wooden spoon and show some respect to the 'Grand Slammers' .

Flyhalf, you deserved that mate.

See morg, I sorted him out for you.

biltongbek wrote:

George Carlin wrote:Can someone explain to me in straightforward prose and using short words why this win for Scotland puts more pressure on Wales to win?

Not on Wales rugby team George, but their posters on 606v2

+1

Wales themselves shouldn't give a stuff about this result. Just worry about their own series.

A belated 'congratulations' to Scotland. Sounded like awful conditions, but that's the same for both teams.

Scotland touring in summer didn't expect to see their own summer weather in Australia. Strange the balmy conditions didn't suit Australia as I would've thought they'd be much more used to that kind of hot and humid weather.

Well done Scotland don't think many predicted that result.

As for the Wales thing then they just have to worry about their own game (which am sure they will).

It will be interesting to see how the Aussies now respond to this defeat though.

well done lads, not the best of games but conditions where bad not a backs game. no matter what team the aussies put out beating them in there own back yard is huge. doesn't save robinsons job yet but does by him time, just kick on from this with some confidence.
wouldn't change the team to much apparently really good weather in fiji and samoa , i think sean might have a rib knock so straight swap with visser and hope that we get in a comfortable position against fiji that we can use weir and welsh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaK3C1f8z3U&feature=player_embedded

That was the highlight of the game!

allyt2k wrote:well done lads, not the best of games but conditions where bad not a backs game...

Yes by the time a week is over it will be posters talk about how sad was not better weather so Scotland backs could use the great platform to make a big score!

How quick is forgotten the facts.

biltongbek wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

George haven't you experienced the imfamous Welsh Book Of Excuses by now

There'll be at least a bakers dozen before the match starts

Stop stirring that keg of bitter with your wooden spoon and show some respect to the 'Grand Slammers' .

Flyhalf, you deserved that mate.

See morg, I sorted him out for you.

You are only as good as your last match

For my own part
I'll be rooting tooting the Welsh boys for another NH win, and banging the drum of success with my wooden spoon.......... of course you Welshies will have to thank us for putting so much doubt in the Aussies and pressure on them to win, send all payments to the "Wooden Spooners"

All the best Wales

Just watched the re run on sky and have to say i have not seen as much passion and determination from a Scotland team in a long time. Al Strokosch and Ross Rennie were outstanding, Stroker for his work in the rucks and mauls and Rennie as he didn't let Genia or Barnes breath or get comfortable on the ball. Euan Murray as well really stepped up and put in a lot of work.
Very pleased for Matt Scott and Tom Brown who put in good shifts too and tackled really well. De Luca has taken a lot of stick in the past but it is in games like these where you see the benefit of him being in the team with his leadership and solid defence.
The team should feel very proud of themselves as that was close to being the best aussie team on current form apart from Berrick Barnes and the 2 props. Those are the games players remember the most in years to come when it is the hard, gritty games and have put their bodies on the line.
Great win today and I think the first of many to come with the new and extremely talented young blood coming through to compliment the good players already there.