England U20 vs Ireland U20

First topic message reminder :

England squad has been announced:

http://www.rfu.com/News/2012/June/NewsArticles/070612_20s_teamire.aspx

15 Tommy Bell (London Wasps)
14 Marland Yarde (London Irish)
13 Will Addison (Sale Sharks)
12 Ryan Mills (Gloucester Rugby) (C)
11 Charlie Walker (Harlequins)
10 Tom Heathcote (Bath Rugby)
9 Ben Spencer (Saracens)

1 Alec Hepburn (London Wasps)
2 Koree Britton (Gloucester Rugby)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Dominic Barrow (Leeds Carnegie)
5 George Merrick (Harlequins)
6 David Sisi (London Irish)
7 Ben Nutley (Northampton Saints)
8 Jack Clifford (Harlequins)

Replacements
16 Max Crumpton (Saracens)
17 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
18 Ross Harrison (Sale Sharks)
19 Sam Twomey (Harlequins)
20 Chris Walker (Leeds Carnegie)
21 Dan Robson (Gloucester Rugby)
22 Sam Hill (Exeter Chiefs)
23 Ben Ransom (Saracens)


Ireland are unchanged from the side that beat S.A


15. Peter Nelson (Dungannon/Ulster)
14. Barry Daly (UCD/Leinster)
13. Chris Farrell (Dungannon/Ulster)
12. Foster Horan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
11. Sam Coghlan Murray (UCD/Leinster)
10. JJ Hanrahan (UL Bohemians/Munster)
9. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht)

1. Des Merrey (Clontarf/Leinster)
2. Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) (capt)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster)
4. Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Leinster)
5. Iain Henderson (Queen's University/Ulster)
6. Jordan Coghlan (UCD/Leinster)
7. Conor Gilsenan (UCD/Mullingar/Leinster)
8. Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster)

Replacements:

16. James Rael (Garryowen/Munster)
17. Peter Reilly (Lansdowne/Leinster)
18. Jake Cawley (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
19. Alan O'Connor (UCD/Leinster)
20. Shane Buckley (Garryowen/Munster)
21. Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster)
22. Jack Carty (Buccaneers/Connacht)
23. Stuart Olding (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)

Sheesh why doesn't the ref just wear green? Two Irish cheap shots (spear tackle at the ruck on Sisi and then the shoulder charge off the ball) no ycs then a tackle that doesn't go through the horizontal gets a card? Shocking.

The gift of a second try after a reset called despite the English scrum half had the ball didn't help.

Having vented I have to say JJ's kicking has been excellent where England's tackling and lineout have not.

Cumbrian wrote:What is he doing with these restarts? He's giving his team mates no chance.

Tha ball just sinks into the mud when dropped so hard to make a good restart. Restarts in the previous game were worse.

LondonTiger wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:Take back what I said earlier. I think Ireland could get the 4 tries here!

Even with 2 TBPs Ireland will be behind Wales in the seedings. (probably due to fewer overall tries)

If the junior Grand Slammers play the Baby Blacks again then so be it. Did I mention that Wales U20 are now the best U20 team in the world?

Gibson wrote:JJ is ROG Mk II.

In terms of his kickinhg game certainly has ROG coaching written all over it - but he can tackle like a 12; good blend

I'm going to have to reconsider my £2 monthly donation to the well digging charity.

yappysnap wrote:Do like these commentators, seem to know their stuff and good and impartial.

Try ireland

Really? I think they've sounded quite pro-ireland, at least with their reaction to the yellow cards.

KiaRose wrote:

Gibson wrote:JJ is ROG Mk II.

In terms of his kickinhg game certainly has ROG coaching written all over it - but he can tackle like a 12; good blend

Great news for Munster.

Yeah, we could do with a good replacement for ROG; Keatley doesn't seem to be up to the reuired standard

Our lineout defence is again top class.

BTW, well done Wales on the win over the baby-blacks. Hope we can rescue this to beat you later on

Cheers CJ

Nice to hear the commentators compliment the NH sides handling skills

England are just throwing this game away. Ireland and Hanrahan are playing all the intelligent rugby.

ChequeredJersey wrote:BTW, well done Wales on the win over the baby-blacks. Hope we can rescue this to beat you later on

Thanks but can you just let us off this year please?

Heathcote has been terrible so far.

Come on England wake up!

Isnt it funny how even in these conditions the scrum is staying up, when at senior level even when its a dry sunny day it rarely stays up

Didnt Ireland beat the Baby boks as well? so havent the NH beaten the SH in all matches so far this summer?

England seem very nervous

I know lots of people had high hopes, but this is the second worst team England has put out at this level. Absolutely awful.

Big lumpy forwards and some of the worst basic skills I've even seen. I hope Ireland hump them because, and i don't care how much people refute this, we are only good at this level as a result of brawn.

We desperately need to inject some brains into our youth teams.

2 kicks out on the full from the same player in a couple of minutes......

No, Scotland and France's U20s lost to Australia and Argentina

FFS! Stop putting the ball out on the full!

England could really do with the half-time whistle.

Why the bleep would you pass to Yarde to kick!?

Nearly a try there. but a penalty on the england line will do nicely

I'm not watching but from what I'm reading, we are seriously missing the likes of Daly and Ford

Ref is killing us man, he's pinged us for going off our feet when both teams have done it all game!

I agree this england team looks pants, Ireland are going to spank us

Still within 2 tries, we need to strike first in the second half though.

JJ is a tidy player

Ref has taken a dislike to us massively so far

For god's sake!

The lineout isn't functioning, kicking isn't going well. Stop giving the effing ball away and run through some phases like we did in the opening minutes.

I wonder if Penney has stayed to watch two of his new charges (JJ and Scannel). If he has he should be happy with what he has seen so far.

Ref is awful, and i maintain that Ireland at all levels get away with diving off their feet. BUT - they also have the advantage of not being braindead, like most of our players.

They should win this and good luck to them. A team as poor (and poorly coached) as this England team deserve to go home as early as possible.

ChequeredJersey wrote:I'm not watching but from what I'm reading, we are seriously missing the likes of Daly and Ford

CJ, it is being screened Live via a link on the JWC site if you need it.

Hood83 wrote:Ref is awful, and i maintain that Ireland at all levels get away with diving off their feet. BUT - they also have the advantage of not being braindead, like most of our players.

They should win this and good luck to them. A team as poor (and poorly coached) as this England team deserve to go home as early as possible.

Teams don't go home, everyone is guaranteed 5 games in various play-offs. But we have been bad in this first half, and don't deserve to go through to the Cup quarter-final on the back of this performance.

Gibson wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:I'm not watching but from what I'm reading, we are seriously missing the likes of Daly and Ford

CJ, it is being screened Live via a link on the JWC site if you need it.

I had no idea! Thanks!

ChequeredJersey wrote:

Gibson wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:I'm not watching but from what I'm reading, we are seriously missing the likes of Daly and Ford

CJ, it is being screened Live via a link on the JWC site if you need it.

I had no idea! Thanks!

Not in UK, Ireland or France.

Oh god an advert of Kylie Minogue singing, brb bathroom!

Yeah just tried and discovered that. Oh well, I'll save my national enthusiasm and pride for tomorrow. Thank the Lord for Walkabout

Good kick Heathcote
6-15

ChequeredJersey wrote:Yeah just tried and discovered that. Oh well, I'll save my national enthusiasm and pride for tomorrow. Thank the Lord for Walkabout

CJ,
Check your PM bud.

The saffer commentator at least seems to know what he is talking about. The kiwi sounds as if hes been smoking far too much Stellenbosch weed

That ball clearly went back!

robbo277 wrote:

Hood83 wrote:Ref is awful, and i maintain that Ireland at all levels get away with diving off their feet. BUT - they also have the advantage of not being braindead, like most of our players.

They should win this and good luck to them. A team as poor (and poorly coached) as this England team deserve to go home as early as possible.

Teams don't go home, everyone is guaranteed 5 games in various play-offs. But we have been bad in this first half, and don't deserve to go through to the Cup quarter-final on the back of this performance.

Sorry, must have been in footie mode with the start of the Euros (yes, i like 'Wendyball' people, deal with it )

I hope the Irish are a NUISANCE tomorrow as well!!

KiaRose wrote:I hope the Irish are a NUISANCE tomorrow as well!!

Yup. Its nice being a nuisance.

Haha Hanarahan asking can he take the kick a few metres to the right of where the penalty was where there is some solid ground

Hood83 wrote:

robbo277 wrote:

Hood83 wrote:Ref is awful, and i maintain that Ireland at all levels get away with diving off their feet. BUT - they also have the advantage of not being braindead, like most of our players.

They should win this and good luck to them. A team as poor (and poorly coached) as this England team deserve to go home as early as possible.

Teams don't go home, everyone is guaranteed 5 games in various play-offs. But we have been bad in this first half, and don't deserve to go through to the Cup quarter-final on the back of this performance.

Sorry, must have been in footie mode with the start of the Euros (yes, i like 'Wendyball' people, deal with it )

I'm watching both as well. Football on the box, rugby on the laptop.