So what did we all learn about the SH and NH teams this weekend ? ? ?

First topic message reminder :

New Zealand 42 - 10 (HT 23 - 3) Ireland

Tries:Savea 3, Thomson, Smith Tries:McFadden
Penalties:Carter 3 Penalties:Sexton
Conversions:Carter 4 Conversions:Sexton


Australia 27 - 19 (HT 10 - 3) Wales

Tries:
Higginbotham, Genia, McCabe Tries:Cuthbert
Penalties:Barnes Penalties:Halfpenny 4
Drop-goals:Barnes
Conversions:Barnes 3 Conversions:Halfpenny


South Africa 22 - 17 (HT 6 - 6) England

Tries:Steyn, de Villiers Tries:Foden
Penalties:Steyn 4 Penalties:Farrell 4


Pretty conclusive win by the Blacks over Ireland but Ireland did very well in the first half, new players looked good. But the ABs were sublime, making rugby look like the easiest game in the world.

Aussies really hit form, Wales were off colour, there is still a series here.

SA looked great in the 2nd third, made heaps of mistakes particularly goal kicking, but a strong scrum and great defending held out. This series is far from over if England can up their game, most likely be shuffling the squad for the match day team...

Ospreydragon wrote:B Moore on Wales and TriNations sides:

"... Wales had the momentum necessary to fashion a win when they reduced the deficit to one point with more than 20 minutes to play. Whatever went before and however superior Australia had been, at that point Wales could and should have taken the game."

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/trinations-sides-superior-to-home-nations-20120611-2056k.html

I agree with him too. I didn't recognise the Welsh team in the 1st half - it's like we had gone back in time 10 years and never had Shaun Edwards as defense coach. We did well to catch up and could/should have kept on going. There were big holes in our defense 3/4 of the game but there were also lots of space behind the Aussie line that we didn't exploit. If we had just made one or two passes count. Was more angry than upset with the loss

damngoodOvalball wrote:We learnt that NZ and Australia (when Genia plays like that, at least) have very little to worry about and won't be losing any sleep about the rest including SA

Dont try and put the Boks in the same group as NH sides . We have yet to lose to an aussie side that plays 2 tests in 5 days

"This is the best Welsh team I've ever played against." -- Nathan Sharpe

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/warrior-sharpe-wary-of-wales-as-wallabies-get-ready-for-war-20120611-2065t.html

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munkian, Priestalnd should have caught that pass. It might have been a different result if he had.

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:We learnt that NZ and Australia (when Genia plays like that, at least) have very little to worry about and won't be losing any sleep about the rest including SA

Dont try and put the Boks in the same group as NH sides . We have yet to lose to an aussie side that plays 2 tests in 5 days

Except at the world cup

Ospreydragon wrote:"This is the best Welsh team I've ever played against." -- Nathan Sharpe

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/warrior-sharpe-wary-of-wales-as-wallabies-get-ready-for-war-20120611-2065t.html

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..but we still beat them comfortably and made them look like amateurs.

kingjohn7 wrote:

Ospreydragon wrote:"This is the best Welsh team I've ever played against." -- Nathan Sharpe

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/warrior-sharpe-wary-of-wales-as-wallabies-get-ready-for-war-20120611-2065t.html

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..but we still beat them comfortably and made them look like amateurs.

where's my yawning emoticon?

...found it

So yeah, thanks for contributing greatly to this thread - now off you go...

wales606, why don't you follow your own advice?

Ospreydragon wrote:wales606, why don't you follow your own advice?

Sorry, but I have been contributing to this thread, it starting as an actual interesting discussion but is now just dull wumming and pointless arguments. Quite frankly i'm fed up of some of the things posted on threads that start out as an interesting discussion on this forum.

munkian wrote:

Ospreydragon wrote:B Moore on Wales and TriNations sides:

"... Wales had the momentum necessary to fashion a win when they reduced the deficit to one point with more than 20 minutes to play. Whatever went before and however superior Australia had been, at that point Wales could and should have taken the game."

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/trinations-sides-superior-to-home-nations-20120611-2056k.html

I agree with him too. I didn't recognise the Welsh team in the 1st half - it's like we had gone back in time 10 years and never had Shaun Edwards as defense coach. We did well to catch up and could/should have kept on going. There were big holes in our defense 3/4 of the game but there were also lots of space behind the Aussie line that we didn't exploit. If we had just made one or two passes count. Was more angry than upset with the loss

Yep, I really thought at 20 - 19 the momentum had shifted and with Halfpenny's place kicking we would be able to take the lead and hold it - Australia looked tired at that point and Wales were really in their face, but then suddenly they force us back to our own line and score a try which effectively ended the game as Wales were forced to play from everywhere. As always with Wales, they try to keep my blood pressure up for a full 80 minutes.

I was merely offering an Aus article that included an opinion about Wales by a top Aus player who played against them. If that doesn't interest people, fair enough. I was not aware of NS's view of Wales until I read it. No wumming/pointless argument there.

Ospreydragon wrote:I was merely offering an Aus article that included an opinion about Wales by a top Aus player who played against them. If that doesn't interest people, fair enough. I was not aware of NS's view of Wales until I read it. No wumming/pointless argument there.

I wasn't responding to your article. I thought it was quite interesting and a good statement for Welsh rugby and where this team stands.

I was responding to kingjohn7's comment that added nothing to any discussion

kingjohn7 wrote:

..but we still beat them comfortably and made them look like amateurs.

That one.

I see what you mean.

wales606 wrote:

munkian wrote:

Ospreydragon wrote:B Moore on Wales and TriNations sides:

"... Wales had the momentum necessary to fashion a win when they reduced the deficit to one point with more than 20 minutes to play. Whatever went before and however superior Australia had been, at that point Wales could and should have taken the game."

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/trinations-sides-superior-to-home-nations-20120611-2056k.html

I agree with him too. I didn't recognise the Welsh team in the 1st half - it's like we had gone back in time 10 years and never had Shaun Edwards as defense coach. We did well to catch up and could/should have kept on going. There were big holes in our defense 3/4 of the game but there were also lots of space behind the Aussie line that we didn't exploit. If we had just made one or two passes count. Was more angry than upset with the loss

Yep, I really thought at 20 - 19 the momentum had shifted and with Halfpenny's place kicking we would be able to take the lead and hold it - Australia looked tired at that point and Wales were really in their face, but then suddenly they force us back to our own line and score a try which effectively ended the game as Wales were forced to play from everywhere. As always with Wales, they try to keep my blood pressure up for a full 80 minutes.

Some credit to Robbie Deans? The coach under a lot of fireplace, but he made a hat load of good substitutions at this time and make the victory by it!

anotherworldofpain wrote:

wales606 wrote:

munkian wrote:

Ospreydragon wrote:B Moore on Wales and TriNations sides:

"... Wales had the momentum necessary to fashion a win when they reduced the deficit to one point with more than 20 minutes to play. Whatever went before and however superior Australia had been, at that point Wales could and should have taken the game."

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/trinations-sides-superior-to-home-nations-20120611-2056k.html

I agree with him too. I didn't recognise the Welsh team in the 1st half - it's like we had gone back in time 10 years and never had Shaun Edwards as defense coach. We did well to catch up and could/should have kept on going. There were big holes in our defense 3/4 of the game but there were also lots of space behind the Aussie line that we didn't exploit. If we had just made one or two passes count. Was more angry than upset with the loss

Yep, I really thought at 20 - 19 the momentum had shifted and with Halfpenny's place kicking we would be able to take the lead and hold it - Australia looked tired at that point and Wales were really in their face, but then suddenly they force us back to our own line and score a try which effectively ended the game as Wales were forced to play from everywhere. As always with Wales, they try to keep my blood pressure up for a full 80 minutes.

Some credit to Robbie Deans? The coach under a lot of fireplace, but he made a hat load of good substitutions at this time and make the victory by it!

Yeah, the Aussie subs made a bit impact and the Welsh just seemed to give in a bit. Hooper certainly had an impact - they needed a fresh backrower to carry. Higginbotham also stood up in the last 10 and smashed Wales physically.

That one of the reasons we need Ryan, Ian and AWJ in the team next week.

I apologise 606 it it was just a joke(although mainly true) not meant to disrupt the harmony of the thread that I also found interesting.

Sense about humour go missing today. Maybe everybody a bit tired or nervous or the rain making them grumpiest

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:We learnt that NZ and Australia (when Genia plays like that, at least) have very little to worry about and won't be losing any sleep about the rest including SA

Dont try and put the Boks in the same group as NH sides

I do of course appreciate that had SA had made all their kicks at goal and not taken stupid tap penalties and not allowed England to cheat their way to a 1st half advantage at the breakdown, then they would have won by 1000 points....

Based on actual reality though The boks are closer to England and Wales than they are to the big 2.

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:We learnt that NZ and Australia (when Genia plays like that, at least) have very little to worry about and won't be losing any sleep about the rest including SA

Dont try and put the Boks in the same group as NH sides

I do of course appreciate that had SA had made all their kicks at goal and not taken stupid tap penalties and not allowed England to cheat their way to a 1st half advantage at the breakdown, then they would have won by 1000 points....

Based on actual reality though The boks are closer to England and Wales than they are to the big 2.

Erm i beg to differ. I will go on record to say the Boks will NOT lose to an Aussie side missing Qaude Cooper and Kurtley beale . Let alone a side missing both plus , JOC and Horwill .With half their players playing their second test in 5 days and their captain and VC being treated for hypothermia in that very week. I would stop supporting the Springboks and start supporting Italy if that ever happened Do not confuse us with Wales and England

Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest


7. New Zealand

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

SA should not be written off by any means. I genuinely see them challenging NZ more than any other team. Australia completely dominated Wales; against SA they would not be able to do the same. SA are too physical and abrasive to allow that.

Plus this is an entirely new SA. Expect them to grow, and fast. I would be very weary as any team honestly.

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

You have lost a lot of the players involved in those victories now. At present you are not looking as good really.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not demeaning the Boks and would never write them off*. They are deserving of their number 3 ranking but they are some way off the big boys I reckon. As Rory says, they will probably improve but they really should be ripping this England side a new one.

*Again - I did write SA off in 2002 when they were awful. We did beat that side 53-3 so it was fair enough. As an England fan, I cant see myself being in a position to write the boks off ever again!

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

You have lost a lot of the players involved in those victories now. At present you are not looking as good really.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not demeaning the Boks and would never write them off*. They are deserving of their number 3 ranking but they are some way off the big boys I reckon. As Rory says, they will probably improve but they really should be ripping this England side a new one.

*Again - I did write SA off in 2003 when they were awful. We did beat that side 53-3 so it was fair enough. As an England fan, I cant see myself being in a position to write the boks off ever again!

So let me get this straight. The boks after losing a big chunk of their seasoned Veterans (7) to be excact and beating England with only a weeks preparation are not good enough to compete with their tri nations rivals ? When have we never competed with our rivals tell me that first . Actually 2010 we got whitewashed by the All blacks.

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

Whilst you're spot on Wales606 (twice, home and away), Bullsbok did say this decade, presumably meaning since 2010

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

damngoodOvalball wrote:Whilst you're spot on Wales606 (twice, home and away), Bullsbok did say this decade, presumably meaning since 2010

As a Welshman, the only decade I understand or recognise is the 70s. So im going to assume you are talking about that.

That Gareth Edwards is a handy SH isn't he...

wales606 wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Whilst you're spot on Wales606 (twice, home and away), Bullsbok did say this decade, presumably meaning since 2010

As a Welshman, the only decade I understand or recognise is the 70s. So im going to assume you are talking about that.

That Gareth Edwards is a handy SH isn't he...

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

In the last 2 years, no team has challenged the All Blacks more than the Australians

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

In the last 2 years, no team has challenged the All Blacks more than the Australians

Well lets see . Aussies have won twice ,Boks once . So yes fair comment

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

I had June 2002 in my head for that match for some reason

Bullsbok wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

In the last 2 years, no team has challenged the All Blacks more than the Australians

Well lets see . Aussies have won twice ,Boks once . So yes fair comment

In the last 6months Wales have not been beaten by SA once...

Bullsbok wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

In the last 2 years, no team has challenged the All Blacks more than the Australians

Well lets see . Aussies have won twice ,Boks once . So yes fair comment

Don't worry, we haven't forgotten 2009
3-0 Boks

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

In the last 2 years, no team has challenged the All Blacks more than the Australians

Well lets see . Aussies have won twice ,Boks once . So yes fair comment

In the last 6months Wales have not been beaten by SA once...

In the last 6 months the boks have not lost a game ....heheheheheh

Bullsbok wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

In the last 2 years, no team has challenged the All Blacks more than the Australians

Well lets see . Aussies have won twice ,Boks once . So yes fair comment

In the last 6months Wales have not been beaten by SA once...

In the last 6 months the boks have not lost a game ....heheheheheh

In the last 2 days, Wales havent lost a game

2009 was a glorius year but we always knew NZ would make us pay double for that 3 -0 . Had the all blacks not opted to rest DC and a few others last year it would be 5-0 since 2010

Kiwireddevil wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:Haha fair enough. Let's see how the boks do in the 2nd test. England don't offer much of a threat in attack or in the scrum. Our defence is alright I guess but your boys should be putting a lot of points on us with ease, as the top 2 would.

1.NZ
2.Oz


3.SA
4/5/6. The rest

It's reversed in the cricket, England (and Wales)
are marginally better than SA but I'd still group them them together;
1.Eng
2.SA



3/4/5/6. The rest

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

I had June 2002 in my head for that match for some reason

back and Dallaglio were in the bin and the 6 man English pack held out the AB's 5m scrum. I guess its more likely to stick in an Englishman's mind. As I recall, we have never played the AB's in a RWC....

WALES* are the only team in history to beat the All Blacks*

EVER! In the history of mankind



FACT





So who's the real winner here

SA* have NEVER beaten New Zealand*

Neither have Australia*, or England*

Wales are the only ones



...................................................
* - U20s.

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

damngoodOvalball wrote:

Kiwireddevil wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Bullsbok wrote:

u do realise unlike 4 5 6 we have beaten the blacks this decade right? matter of fact we've beaten them the most out of eveyrone in world rugby in the last 5 years

Im pretty sure England have beaten the All Black in the last decade...unfortuently

Only just - November 2002 was the last time. So by the time the England vs NZ AI rolls around on December 1st is will be just over a decade.

You're wrong Kiwi, we beat you in NZ in June 2003.

Let me simplify this . In the last 5 years since 2007 world Cup no team has challenged the All blacks more than the boks . Simple enough ? France have had one win for the NH since then actually. Quite a disturbing record

In the last 2 years, no team has challenged the All Blacks more than the Australians

Well lets see . Aussies have won twice ,Boks once . So yes fair comment

In the last 6months Wales have not been beaten by SA once...

In the last 6 months the boks have not lost a game ....heheheheheh

In the last 2 days, Wales havent lost a game

this is getting silly, is this a private game or can anyone join??

In the last 4 days Oz has a 100% winning record!

England have a 100% winning ratio over Oz in the last two games played between the historic sporting rivals. The same stats apply to Test cricket.

Teams are out for this week and will we learn anything new, have enough of the correct changes been made?

damngoodOvalball wrote:England have a 100% winning ratio over Oz in the last two games played between the historic sporting rivals. The same stats apply to Test cricket.

That must be the weakest use of statistics in the history of sport.

As for cricket - I can't remember Australia ever losing a series 3-0 at the height of their world dominance. That surely is a first.

damngoodOvalball wrote: As I recall, we have never played the AB's in a RWC....

Rugby World Cup, Pool 1 3 October 1991

England 12 - 18 New Zealand



Rugby World Cup semi-final, 18 June 1995

N Zealand 45 - 29 England

Since 1993 England has beaten NZ only twice... once by a 3 point margin the other by only 2 points.

In the same period the ABs have won 15 times with +299 points margin. Ave 19.9 points a better side over the last 20 years.
They're not even close!