Your new p4p list

Regardles of the result being contentious last night, I would be shocked if anyone still has Pac an as number 1 on their list.

Mine is as follows

1. Mayweather
2.Martinez
3. Marquez
4. Donaire
5. Ward
6. Pac Man
7. Chad Dawson
8. Wlad Klitscko
9.Miguel Cotto
10. Yuriokis Gamboa

Pac is hanging on but I really didn't feel I was watching the same man last night. Bradley isn't elite enough to break my top ten, regardless of decision (which was close but could easily have gone to Pac).Rigondeux needs more time but will end up on my list, as will Lara once someone with balls faces him.

Mine hasn't changed.

Floyd
Ward
JMM
Pac
Donnaire
WK

Fair list. I got JMM and Martinez above Ward, just, on experience and performances thus far, but if Ward beats dawson, he will be moving on up on my list.

Paq was never 2 on my list prior to this bout.

alma wrote:Surely pacquiao should still be number 2 on anyone's list?

Why? He was poor v Mosely, lost to JMM and struggled last night.

He is no longer elite mate, needs to drop down. 60 fight career is plenty. Pac is spent.

1) Mayweather 2) Donaire 3) Pacquiao 4) Marquez 5) Ward 6) Martinez 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8) Dawson 9) Gamboa 10) Bradley

This morning's events have only served to make this an even more difficult task - and it was already nigh on impossible before that.

88Chris05 wrote:1) Mayweather 2) Donaire 3) Pacquiao 4) Marquez 5) Ward 6) Martinez 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8) Dawson 9) Gamboa 10) Bradley

This morning's events have only served to make this an even more difficult task - and it was already nigh on impossible before that.

Same names, different order.

Did you see Rigondeux? Superb talent.

BTW - You and I may be the only two people on earth calling last night a close fight. Ha.

alma wrote:I'm no expert on donaire Chris, so I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge.

To be honest mate, I'm not fully convinced he warrants number two spot myself! Hell of a fighter, mind you.

The problem for me is, before Pacquiao-Bradley I had Floyd and Manny as my nailed on top two. Behind them, I had Donaire and Marquez pretty much on an equal footing at either third or fourth, with Ward and Martinez a shade or two behind.

As is becoming common knowledge, I wasn't anywhere near as impressed with Manny early this morning as many others were, and that's a small handul of fights in succession now where I feel he's gradually slipped. On that basis, I'm not sure I can keep him at number two given how off-colour he's looked recently.

Alas, I just don't rate Bradley highly enough in any department to have him jumping in to Manny's place, so I suppose the option I'm left with is to move Donaire up a notch. Wouldn't object to anyone keeping Pacquiao at number two, and I certainly wouldn't have him any lower than third.

88Chris05 wrote:

alma wrote:I'm no expert on donaire Chris, so I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge.

To be honest mate, I'm not fully convinced he warrants number two spot myself! Hell of a fighter, mind you.

The problem for me is, before Pacquiao-Bradley I had Floyd and Manny as my nailed on top two. Behind them, I had Donaire and Marquez pretty much on an equal footing at either third or fourth, with Ward and Martinez a shade or two behind.

As is becoming common knowledge, I wasn't anywhere near as impressed with Manny early this morning as many others were, and that's a small handul of fights in succession now where I feel he's gradually slipped. On that basis, I'm not sure I can keep him at number two given how off-colour he's looked recently.

Alas, I just don't rate Bradley highly enough in any department to have him jumping in to Manny's place, so I suppose the option I'm left with is to move Donaire up a notch. Wouldn't object to anyone keeping Pacquiao at number two, and I certainly wouldn't have him any lower than third.

Fair one mate. I am getting some twitter backlash for supporting the fight as close last night, haha

slightly unfair to bradley, surely he needs to be above manny now- unified 140 champ, big names, now 147 champ. fair doos if you had him losing the fight be he won it at the end of the day, and untill somebody beats him he should be treated as such.

I rate Donnaire very highly, but Rigo would beat him. He is that good. But with only 12 fights, I cant have him on ly list. After he beats Donairre, he'll move up to the top 10.

eddyfightfan wrote:slightly unfair to bradley, surely he needs to be above manny now- unified 140 champ, big names, now 147 champ. fair doos if you had him losing the fight be he won it at the end of the day, and untill somebody beats him he should be treated as such.

Should an outright robbery be rewarded? No slight on Tim. He did his best but for the judges, he would have been a good loser.

88Chris05 wrote:

alma wrote:I'm no expert on donaire Chris, so I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge.

To be honest mate, I'm not fully convinced he warrants number two spot myself! Hell of a fighter, mind you.

The problem for me is, before Pacquiao-Bradley I had Floyd and Manny as my nailed on top two. Behind them, I had Donaire and Marquez pretty much on an equal footing at either third or fourth, with Ward and Martinez a shade or two behind.

As is becoming common knowledge, I wasn't anywhere near as impressed with Manny early this morning as many others were, and that's a small handul of fights in succession now where I feel he's gradually slipped. On that basis, I'm not sure I can keep him at number two given how off-colour he's looked recently.

Alas, I just don't rate Bradley highly enough in any department to have him jumping in to Manny's place, so I suppose the option I'm left with is to move Donaire up a notch. Wouldn't object to anyone keeping Pacquiao at number two, and I certainly wouldn't have him any lower than third.

It's not a question of being impressed with Manny. I'm on record here in saying that he has never been as good as made out. But for me and probably most here, he won that fight. On that basis, he shouldn't be docked or punished.

Likewise I have JMM above him because, despite what the judges saw, I had JMM winning their fight.

i didnt have it as an outright robbery though.

and manny has a few over JMM, but he still is considered undeafted against him.

eddyfightfan wrote:i didnt have it as an outright robbery though.

and manny has a few over JMM, but he still is considered undeafted against him.

In short I disregard the official results. I had JMM beating Manny so I have him ranked higher. I had Manny winning earlier, so I base my ranking on that.

Manny stayed p4p #1 or 2 after getting a fit vs JMM. He might not have deserved to lose (although i think that it was actually pretty close without the sound which was very offputting) he should be ranked down.

1.) Floyd
2.) Donaire
3.) Ward
4.) Martinez
5.) JMM
6.) Wlad
7.) Pacquiao
8.) Dawson
9.) Gamboa
10.) Bradley

I can't see how Bradley gets in a top ten over the likes of Froch.

KingMonkey wrote:I can't see how Bradley gets in a top ten over the likes of Froch.

Well for starters, Bradley hasn't lost to his two most significant divisional rivals. Froch has. Regardless of how anyone scored the fight last night, it was certainly a lot more competitive than Froch-Ward, I'd add.

Can't see a case for Froch being higher, personally.

he just beat the top man, froch lost to ward, froch has a better cv so i'd put them on a parr with each other

Bradley scraped past Alexander on the basis that he butted him into submission and last night, by all accounts, lost to Manny. P4P I wouldn't have him above Froch who has been better tested for longer and in his last outing absolutely battered someone who was considered level with Ward. Only now does that look very far from the truth.

froch has never beat the level of fighter bradley did last night. froch was throughly outclassed against ward, and even lost to kessler. you can say he didnt deserve the decision, bu karl has had his own close encounters go his way too.

And go against him.

You could argue that until Carl wiped the floor with him Bute was right up there with Manny. Alright, he's not as good but you 'could' make an argument.

Anyway, I'm fighting a losing battle I think. I don't like Bradley as a fighter at all and he wouldn't make my list.

thats a stretch manny and bute but okay. depending on the next couple of fights it could go either way if bradley lost and froch beat kessler in the rematch i would concede but if he bradley wins khan or a rematch next then i think he clearly would take it.

Fair to say it's a close call.

Mayweather still just edges #1 spot for me but Manny is a close second as he boxed almost a shut-out against an unbeaten champ in their prime vs Floyd's good but close performance against Cotto who had a couple of 'L's on his ledger, was probably a year or two off prime and slightly delicate psychologically. Manny-JMM III did more to hurt his p4p standings for me than last night.

1. Mayweather
2. Pac
3. Marquez
4. Ward
5. Donaire
6. Martinez
7. Chad Dawson
8. Wlad Klitscko
9. Yuriokis Gamboa
10. Miguel Cotto

Seanusarrilius wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

alma wrote:I'm no expert on donaire Chris, so I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge.

To be honest mate, I'm not fully convinced he warrants number two spot myself! Hell of a fighter, mind you.

The problem for me is, before Pacquiao-Bradley I had Floyd and Manny as my nailed on top two. Behind them, I had Donaire and Marquez pretty much on an equal footing at either third or fourth, with Ward and Martinez a shade or two behind.

As is becoming common knowledge, I wasn't anywhere near as impressed with Manny early this morning as many others were, and that's a small handul of fights in succession now where I feel he's gradually slipped. On that basis, I'm not sure I can keep him at number two given how off-colour he's looked recently.

Alas, I just don't rate Bradley highly enough in any department to have him jumping in to Manny's place, so I suppose the option I'm left with is to move Donaire up a notch. Wouldn't object to anyone keeping Pacquiao at number two, and I certainly wouldn't have him any lower than third.

Fair one mate. I am getting some twitter backlash for supporting the fight as close last night, haha

Nothing personal mate

azania wrote:

eddyfightfan wrote:slightly unfair to bradley, surely he needs to be above manny now- unified 140 champ, big names, now 147 champ. fair doos if you had him losing the fight be he won it at the end of the day, and untill somebody beats him he should be treated as such.

Should an outright robbery be rewarded? No slight on Tim. He did his best but for the judges, he would have been a good loser.

Interestingly I saw someone mention on Twitter earlier that Boxrec didn't hit Dirrell or Chisora's points following fights with debatable decisions however they did knock Manny's (and give Bradley the corresponding boost).

Boxrec is a joke.

I know, just thought it was interesting....

Its a bit of a dilemma with Pacquiao, JMM and Bradley because I think the decisions in those fights were incorrect. If they were fights capable of going either way Id roll with the official decision but I think in both cases the wrong man clearly won so Imless sure how I would structure it.

I find Martinez and Bradley an interesting comparison. Martinez is immensely popular on here whereas I get the impression Bradley is going to have to work very hard to earn his plaudits. I think the controversial result may have taken away somewhat from what was a good performance from Bradley regardless. On the other hand, I havent been hugely impressed with Martinez in his last couple of outings. He got the job done but didnt really sparkle and while alot of the talk lately has been Pacquiao on the slide I think Martinez has looked a bit that way also. I suspect thats why Chavez has opted to take on that fight now. I think they fancy it after seeing Macklin make Martinez work. But in terms of results in recent years I think Bradley measures up ok with him.

Mayweather
Ward
Martinez
JMM
Donaire
Pacquiao
Wlad
Vitali
Froch
Cotto

Mayweather
Pacquiao
Marquez
Martinez
Ward
Donaire
Wlad K
Froch
Vitali K
Dawson

SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Mayweather
Pacquiao
Marquez
Martinez
Ward
Donaire
Wlad K
Froch
Vitali K
Dawson

How is Pacquiao number 2 out of interest?

I think Ward has performed a lot better over the past couple of fights.

mobilemaster8 wrote:

SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Mayweather
Pacquiao
Marquez
Martinez
Ward
Donaire
Wlad K
Froch
Vitali K
Dawson

How is Pacquiao number 2 out of interest?

I think Ward has performed a lot better over the past couple of fights.

He's number 2 on my list based on how I scored Saturday night's fight, not the judges. A clear win (more clear than PBF's over Cotto for example) over a prime unbeaten champ is a very credible boost to Manny's p4p standings. His JMM fight was more detrimental which is why I have Floyd ahead (and JMM #3).

But that's just my reasoning (sorry for hijacking yours PBK!)

mobilemaster8 wrote:

SugarRayRussell (PBK) wrote:Mayweather
Pacquiao
Marquez
Martinez
Ward
Donaire
Wlad K
Froch
Vitali K
Dawson

How is Pacquiao number 2 out of interest?

I think Ward has performed a lot better over the past couple of fights.

Only Marquez has caused him trouble in recent times. Bradley did well but Manny won clearly. Clottey did nothing and neither did Mosley. I thought he was good against Margarito.

Wards looked good but Manny has only lost in recent times to the man I have at 3.

1-Mayweather
2-Pacquiao
3-Marquez
4-Ward
5-Martinez
6-Donaire
7-Wlad
8-Froch
9-Gamboa
10-Dawson

I like many others have pac winning yesterday hence not dropping him down my list, safe to say im shocked how he can be as low as 7th on some lists here! Official result aside beating a genuine contender in Bradley in dominating him should not lower his stock but do quite the opposite.

which he convincingly won in my opinion.

im happy to admit pac isn't the fighter he was a few years ago, his work rate has slowed and he isn't as explosive but he was in control for vast majority last night against a live opponent.

That shouldn't count against him because the judges scored it wrong..

Why are so many ignoring the Marquez fight, the past two fights one of which he clearly lost make him a very distant second. I would have donaire, ward and Marquez all above him now.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:

alma wrote:I'm no expert on donaire Chris, so I'll have to bow to your greater knowledge.

To be honest mate, I'm not fully convinced he warrants number two spot myself! Hell of a fighter, mind you.

The problem for me is, before Pacquiao-Bradley I had Floyd and Manny as my nailed on top two. Behind them, I had Donaire and Marquez pretty much on an equal footing at either third or fourth, with Ward and Martinez a shade or two behind.

As is becoming common knowledge, I wasn't anywhere near as impressed with Manny early this morning as many others were, and that's a small handul of fights in succession now where I feel he's gradually slipped. On that basis, I'm not sure I can keep him at number two given how off-colour he's looked recently.

Alas, I just don't rate Bradley highly enough in any department to have him jumping in to Manny's place, so I suppose the option I'm left with is to move Donaire up a notch. Wouldn't object to anyone keeping Pacquiao at number two, and I certainly wouldn't have him any lower than third.

Fair one mate. I am getting some twitter backlash for supporting the fight as close last night, haha

Nothing personal mate

haha, no worries