Day 16 - Men's Singles Final continued

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 10 Jun 2012, 23:33

First topic message reminder :

So another day is needed. Hope it don't rain again!

Will unfortunately miss the match because I have an exam in the afternoon!

Come on Novak, you can do it son!

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:34

Now rain returns for Djokovic hope.

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:35

Seifer Almasy wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote:
Seifer Almasy wrote:Same old arrogant shouting out and fist pumping from the talentless moonballer.

I know.

I can't stand Djokovic either.......

Check out the net play for starters. Does Nadal even know what a net is?

Given Djokovic has hit the net with his groundstrokes in this match, then yes I think Nadal knows what the net is and more importantly how to get the ball over it. Sure he could offer some tips to Djokovic how to achieve the same.

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:36

Halle this week. Are the top seeds in action tomorrow or Wednesday? The homepage is crap to navigate!

by kemet Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:38

Ooh, Novak, you dodged a bullet there.

Hang in there.

by barrystar Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:40

Squeeky bum time now, no?

Will the RG 2012 title turn on a 4th set tie-breaker, or will one of them drop serve over the next 4 games?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:40

Come on Novak! You have to believe, believe!

by Seifer Almasy Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:41

The same old boring game. Keep this crap to clay please organisers.

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:43

barrystar wrote:Squeeky bum time now, no?

Will the RG 2012 title turn on a 4th set tie-breaker, or will one of them drop serve over the next 4 games?

Well Djokovic is going to have to show those Serb balls of Steel. I hope he starts to attack.

by erictheblueuk Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:43

Bloody Rain again !

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:43

Come on Novak show that lionheart you have! Show the steel!

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:43

the umpire wants play to go on, but it really is raining heavily out there, so Rafa and Novak make the decision to stop the play. Just a passing shower apparently, shouldn't last too long, but Novak is going to have to serve to stay in the match after the break! Huge pressure!

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:43

They'll have to stop this now. Too wet.

Very surprised, it's chucking it down.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:44

Well I have to leave to go to my exam, with the match like this! I hope to come back to good news Fingers Crossed

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:45

nope they're back on again!

by **laverfan** Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:48

It would be sad to see Djokovic lose here because of this rain dance. Crying or Very sad

Fifth set would be a more equitable solution.

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:49

We're really seeing what life for Rafa would be without 4500 rpm.

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:49

the court's got heavier again, that should help Novak.

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:50

Mud balls!!

by kemet Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:50

The sun is out, as Novak shows that he has cojones of steel.

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:50

ah but now the sun's out, which will favour Rafa.

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:53

Nadal did stop there. Bit unlucky.

by Seifer Almasy Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:53

Great sportsmanship there by Nadal, bitching and arguing with umpire... again.

by kemet Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:53

Good way to get the crowd on your side Rafa...

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:55

Sounds like Nadal is turning into a Mini Mac! Result!

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:56

Glad the out shot didn't affect anything.

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 12:56

glad Rafa won that game, wouldn't have wanted the set to balance on a poor call.

I'm with BB there (that's twice Shocked

), I thought he stopped playing there.

by Jahu Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:01

Go Rafaaaaaa

by barrystar Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:01

Ch'p point......

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:01

Been the trend throughout the championships. Poor chair umpiring, poor line calls and to top it off the match referee could do with shooting!

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:02

can you believe it? Finishes on a DF!!!!

well done Nadal clap

hugely deserved

by barrystar Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:02

Nuts - I did not want him to win that.

by Jahu Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:03

Yes Rafaaaaaa

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:03

OUCH!!!!!!

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:03

Shades of Safina in 2009. Sad

by Josiah Maiestas Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:03

Mentally weak chicken. That is what Nole was today.

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:04

Hopefully this will kill that spammer!

by kemet Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:05

Novak double-faults on championship point, giving Nadal championship number 7. Somewhat anti-climactic, given the dramatic match.

I sensed this was over for Novak the moment he got broken in the fourth game, while Rafa's serve in the fourth set was imperious.

Rafa only lost three points on serve in the fourth set. Those stats are deserving of a champion.

by **laverfan** Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:05

Djokovic

Nadal

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:07

luciusmann wrote:
Nore Staat wrote:
luciusmann wrote:... I was simply taking issue with Nadal being clear favourite. ...
Who are we to believe an armchair critic or a 16 times slam champion or the bookies?

Being favorite doesn't mean someone will win.

Being favorite is based on probability.

Probability is not based on a fan's hopes or wishes.

Probability is based on past data and the specifics of the outcomes.

Many of the specifics were based before the match had started so catch up with reality instead of sounding like a broken record. We can now look at what's actually happened and what I referred to as Djokovic's fighting spirit, or what you called Novak Mk.II has come out. You seem to be in denial about the possibility that Nadal can lose from two sets and a break up to love, unprecedented yes but there are historic records are on the line here.

Armchair critic? Please, don't talk rubbish. If I didn't have a track record of calling Djokovic winner many times in his matches with Nadal, first at Wimbledon, then @ the USO and again @ the Aussie Open, your assessment of an armchair critic would be right. The bookies naturally would consider Nadal favourite prior to the match and Federer has lost 5 times to Nadal @ RG, I don't think he's going to think anyone is capable of beating Nadal @ RG. What have you called right? I was happy to leave this but as you don't, let's continue. I said Djokovic would win last year at Wimbledon even before he played Tsonga and even said it would be a final between Nadal and Djokovic (before even Nadal won his semis). Were you on the site then? No need to patronize me ans tell me about probability, I know perfectly well what it is. He isn't clear favourite, before the match he was but certainly not now it's unfolded after 3 hours. Unless you been watching the football or had your eyes closed, you conclusion seems to be based on something out of this world.

Does this end your streak of match predicting between Nadal and Djokovic?

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:08

I will write a groundbreaking summary of the match alongside insightful irrefutable conclusions to be drawn shortly.

Be patient.

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:08

bogbrush wrote:I will write a groundbreaking summary of the match alongside insightful irrefutable conclusions to be drawn shortly.

Be patient.

Will it be heart felt?

by lydian Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:09

by bogbrush Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:11

It'll be a masterpiece.

by CAS Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:11

such an anti-climax, it is slightly frustrating to watch one man take all the risks and be more brave, the other just keep pushing the ball back in play. Rafa was not too brave today but he did hold onto his serve very well so credit it to him.

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:11

bogbrush wrote:I will write a groundbreaking summary of the match alongside insightful irrefutable conclusions to be drawn shortly.

Be patient.

I can't wait Very Happy

For me, it's pretty simple, Rafa at his best on clay is nigh on impossible to beat (just as Fed at his best was on hard-court/grass). Djokovic came back into it a bit when conditions got really heavy, but in "normal" conditions Rafa was imperious. Greatest clay-courter of all-time, surely?

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:12

I should imagine you are scaring Nadal fans with your recent 'alligence' to the Rafa cause Laugh

by Mad for Chelsea Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:12

CAS wrote:such an anti-climax, it is slightly frustrating to watch one man take all the risks and be more brave, the other just keep pushing the ball back in play. Rafa was not too brave today but he did hold onto his serve very well so credit it to him.

30-30 while Novak was serving to stay in the match, who took the initiative?

Hint: it was the Spanish bloke...

by Guest Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:14

CAS wrote:such an anti-climax, it is slightly frustrating to watch one man take all the risks and be more brave, the other just keep pushing the ball back in play. Rafa was not too brave today but he did hold onto his serve very well so credit it to him.

The Serb balls of steel turned into a mangina!

by CAS Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:14

No I agree, but it was the first moment he had in my opinion after 2 unforced errors from novak trying to hit a winner

by luciusmann Mon 11 Jun 2012, 13:17

legendkillarV2 wrote: Does this end your streak of match predicting between Nadal and Djokovic?

Yes, sadly it does but I'm it was close enough.

Winning 4 in a row is shown to be difficult and now we know why Federer nor Nadal never managed it.

What's noteworthy from that match though is that Djokovic gifted Nadal 3 games with double faults and that includes in championship point. This won't be repeated in the other slam matches with Rafa so there is positive here for Djokovic. Anyhow, I did say that if Nadal wins it will be in 4, if Djokovic does, it will be in 5, so I got the sense of how it would be won by either. The killer blow was falling two sets down but if Nadal was going to make a defense of any slam, it would be on clay and sure enough, that's what's happened @ RG.

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