If New Zealand is the benchmark, how does our teams perform in comparison?

There has been a lot of talk about gaps between the SH and NH etc.

I find that a little condescending to tell you the truth, now here are some stats, so if you are not into stats this may bore you. It did take me a few days to compile, but the reason I did it was, someone during the weekend mentioned that New Zealand is the benchmark.

Which in all cases since the advent of professional rugby is undisputed. So I thought I will compile the statistics of how do we compare against each other in relation with how New Zealand performs against each of us.

Since January 1996, taken as the starting point of professional rugby, here is the points difference between New Zealand and the next top 9 nations.

The points in relation to NZ s given as a negative as this is the average points per match they beat you by.

Australia: -7
South Africa: -7
France: - 17
England: - 17
Ireland: -23
Wales: - 25
Scotland: - 31
Argentina: - 36
Italy: - 50

So if that is the benchmark, then taking the points difference vs each opponent as the difference between how much NZ beats you team by as a guidleine of performance. The table provides you with you median (test), your actual results, and your result(variance)

Spoiler:

Right of the bat, you need to look at these figures as the average over the last 16 years, so when you look at recent results you will be able to determine whether your team has bucked the trend or has been falling away.

The influence can be talent, coaches, a new beginning etc.

Use it as you please.

Seeing as the spoiler has chopped off the end of Biltong's table, here is the link https://i.servimg.com/u/f42/16/82/61/59/nz10.jpg

Broadly what he's done is compare who well each team goes against other teams, compared with how they go against NZ.

So Ireland for example does relatively better vs SA and Aus, and relatively worse vs England and France.

Thanks kiwi, didn't notice it. should I make it a little smaller?

I just checked, it is correct Kiwi, I didn't do Italy as all their stats are already in the other tables.

Would be cool to see a pre-isolation NZ and SA comparison mate as you guys had a slightly better record I think.

We're pretty good at letting the scoreboard mask how badly we play. A couple of late tries here and there have masked some heavy defeats all over the park-Aussie in 99 was our only +20 point hammering. Same with the big wins I guess.

It's interesting that the Aussies hold their own roughly across NZ, SA and France, and relatively underperform vs everyone else, especially Italy and Argentina - possibly that's down to resting players for those matches, and the depth being lacking.

Disney, one day when I have oodles of time, I'll do the amateur era.

Cheers Biltong. Pesky work getting in the way...!

I think Australia are like France a bit in that they fancy themselves to knock over the very best and often peak for those games. Yet when their motivation levels are down a bit they can get embarrassed (France particularly so). Plus I suppose with NZ and SA having been the big two and Australia coming to the table only in the late 70s, the NH sides are a lot more confident about knocking them over.

Well I see we are only on par with our "stat" vs Oz, for all the others it seems we have a general trend of not performing at our best, whether it is that we don't always field our strongest teams or playing mostly away I am not sure.

Well it's obvious the Irish don't like playing you lot in Africa!

Ain't that the truth.

for the stats freaks AllBlacks Played 485 won 365[155]drew17[2]lost 103 [33]
over all average75.26.[81.58%]
parentheses are match results since 1996 the following are sides with wins
against the AllBlacks 6 teams in all.the following there results v each of them
England played 34 won27[16] drawn1[1]lost 6[2] ave.79.41%
France played 51 won38 drawn1[1]lost 12[4] ave74.51%
Lions played 38 won29[3] drawn 3 [-] lost6[-] ave 76.32%
Wales played 28 won25[12] drawn 0 lost 3[-] ave 89.29%
Aus. played143 won 97[29] drawn 5[-]lost41[14] 67.83%
SA played 83 won 46[28] drawn 3[1]lost34[13] ave 68.29%
1921-28 NZ v SA 3 ea 1 draw.1937-56 NZ 1-SA 6,1956-82 11 each18-21
the Spring boks led 18-21 when they went into isolation note post 1949 each series went to the home side.1996 to date 28-13 to the AllBlacks
Hope that helps .

think it was 20-15 to the Boks prior to isolation

though the ABs had scored more tries

Galted my stats are EXACTLY CORRECT 18-21 to the Boks,after 1956 each home series was won by home side.1956[3-1 ABs]1960 [2 .1,1 Boks],1965-3-1 ABs].1970[3-1 Boks].1976[3-1 Boks] 1981-2[ 2-1 ABS.]

Will google it emack2 but I'm sure I'm right, I was quite a stats-lady of loose morals regarding rugby before I discovered alcohol.

I'm impressed with the auto anti-obscenity that 606 v2 offers

sorry emack2, I'll immediately stand corrected, you were showing stats for pre-professional which are correct, I was on about pre-isolation

Galted the stats cover period 1921-2011 inclusive Pre -isolation,[18-21 Boks
Cavaliers were NOT officialy AllBlack tour so not included. If you include interim
period 1992-5 it is plus 3 AllBlacks,plus 1 Boks,plus 1 draw.so pre Pro Era it would be 21-22 to Boks.But all the stats were included my source was NZ Museum which lists ALL NZ games.

not arguing emack2 & not including cavaliers
pre '92 20-15 SA
ABs won '92 so 20-16
'94 2-0 to the ABs so 20-18
'95 a draw or win for the Boks if you count extra-time so 21-18
96/97 not sure which year ABs started massive dominance but since then I'm clutching at straws stats-wise but make it 22 all at best for Boks then the ABs surge continued

Galted you are correct pre1996 AllBlacks won 18,Drew 2,lost 22[inc RWC final]
From 1956 until 1992 the series wins went with Home advantage.You could hardly call 1992 a series BUT any win in SA i`ll take.1996 the AllBlacks won a series in SA for the first time 2-1,they also won 2 matches v SA in the First 3Ns
series 2-0 a total of 4 wins out of 5[3 out of 4 in SA].Then won 2-0 again in 1997.In the period 1992-1997 there was 12 matches between the 2 sides
9 wins to the AllBlacks,1 draw,2 losses BUT 1 was the RWC final.1998 every body beat the All Blacks they lost most of there matches in fact I think it was there worst year in the pro era at least 5 losses including 2 each to Oz and the Boks .After Fitzy and co.retired.