McCaw To Lost Captaincy of All Blacks

I go to read about injuries for next tests and The New Zealand Herald is already suggest that McCaw should lost the captaincy of All Blacks to Kieran Read and they mark him lower than SOB for the second week in a row.

Also another article criticise his error rate.

Is this unfair criticise to a player who captain to two wins?

If it's loose why doesn't he just tighten it?

I fix it up

Not going to happen. Read is being groomed but he's doubtful for next week is he not. The only other real option I think would be Conrad Smith.

McCaw will stay at captain, but he needs a rocket for such a poor performance

I thought he had big game actually, his carrying was immense and it was his pick and go at the end that got the ABs into position for 1st Carters drop goal attempt.

He'll be disappointed with the handling errors and losing the battle on the deck for the second week running but I think he's still top, top class and a giant of a player.

Will he play 8 next week if Reid is out?

rodders wrote:I thought he had big game actually, his carrying was immense and it was his pick and go at the end that got the ABs into position for 1st Carters drop goal attempt.

He'll be disappointed with the handling errors and losing the battle on the deck for the second week running but I think he's still top, top class and a giant of a player.

Will he play 8 next week if Reid is out?

We demand the very best out of Sir McCaw Rodders! At least 4 dropped balls is not good enough for someone with such high standards, he has to do better than that.

I would expect McCaw to be at 8 if Read is out with Cane and Thomson on the flanks. I was impressed with Cane I must admit, for a slightly built youngster he didn't shrug the hard work....

However, that backrow isn't balanced enough. Maybe we'll see Messam start at 6 with Thomson at 7?

chewed_mintie wrote:
We demand the very best out of Sir McCaw Rodders!

Tough crowd....

rodders wrote:

chewed_mintie wrote:
We demand the very best out of Sir McCaw Rodders!

Tough crowd....

got to be to stay number 1!

chewed_mintie wrote:

rodders wrote:I thought he had big game actually, his carrying was immense and it was his pick and go at the end that got the ABs into position for 1st Carters drop goal attempt.

He'll be disappointed with the handling errors and losing the battle on the deck for the second week running but I think he's still top, top class and a giant of a player.

Will he play 8 next week if Reid is out?

We demand the very best out of Sir McCaw Rodders! At least 4 dropped balls is not good enough for someone with such high standards, he has to do better than that.

I would expect McCaw to be at 8 if Read is out with Cane and Thomson on the flanks. I was impressed with Cane I must admit, for a slightly built youngster he didn't shrug the hard work....

However, that backrow isn't balanced enough. Maybe we'll see Messam start at 6 with Thomson at 7?

Interesting stat is he make the most carries and make the most handling error. But of course if you do most of the work you make most mistakes so is normal. I think NZ press get upset because all blacks dont win by 100 points and want blame someone. Is my mind anyway.

Nah he had a poor game by his standards and Sam Cane who was on the bench played very well. Giving him a start and trying out a new 8 in a test dud might not be such a bad idea.

McCaw made more carries, more meter, more turn over, arrive at more rucks, arrive first at more rucks than any of the other player in the second half.

I am not sure where this "poor game" come from! I think is just fans with no eyes believe the paper.

Haven't read the paper mate! Just saw the game and thought he played poorly, especially compared to Read and O'Brien. Stats don't always tell the whole truth

Ha! Or matching to your wish!

anotherworldofpain wrote:McCaw made more carries, more meter, more turn over, arrive at more rucks, arrive first at more rucks than any of the other player in the second half.

I am not sure where this "poor game" come from! I think is just fans with no eyes believe the paper.

+ 1 I concur

I was actually thinking during and after the game that we often tell ourselves that Ireland would be well and truly screwed (even more than usual) if we lost one or two key players. We can't really say that about O'Connell now but we kinda still say it about O'Driscoll.

And yet - and yet.... the best side in the World are kinda in a similar position. I thought McCaw (his wily all-knowing ways and presence) and Carter were central characters in the victory. You'd expect from a side stuffed with talent that you wouldn't be seeing that so clearly - but I did. I think without McCaw or Carter that day, ABs would have had their first loss to Ireland. They were the old heads keeping the composure and self-belief.

As someone said, stats don't tell the whole story.

Rodders you are a long way in front as most amiable and agreeable fellow on the entire of 606.

McCaw had a very solid game. Did he make as many tackles as usual? I was a bit surprised to hear people say he had a bad game. It wasn't the best I've seen him play but it was a a very good performance. He should remain as captain as he is a very good leader from what I've seen.

McCaw only had a poor game relative to his own phenomonally high standards.

He is ageing though, and one of the strengths of All Black rugny is that no matter who you are, you are always looking over your shoulder at who is coming through and pushing for your place.

anotherworldofpain wrote:Rodders you are a long way in front as most amiable and agreeable fellow on the entire of 606.

.... I suspect there's a few who'd disagree with this but as I'm such an amiable chap I won't argue.... .....

McCaw was good for a general player but nowhere near what he can do, and that is what he should be marked against. He was also outplayed in some areas by SOB

rodders wrote:

anotherworldofpain wrote:Rodders you are a long way in front as most amiable and agreeable fellow on the entire of 606.

.... I suspect there's a few who'd disagree with this but as I'm such an amiable chap I won't argue.... .....

I don't think that many would disagree, mate

Sin é might...........................

Thanks chaps, you're too kind ... now lets get back to slagging off McCaw eh!

I'll be watching you closely from here on in Rodders!!! If you're not amicable and reasonable at all times from here on in, I'll be reporting you to pain.................. I think he uses chains and whips and something that goes whirr for disciplin issues in his underground padded cell.

SecretFly wrote:Sin é might...........................

That's funny because I was just going to say that Sin e would be my pick for most the agreeable chap in these parts.... ....

Stop kissing Rodders' arse lads. His head won't fit through the gates of Ravenhill at this stage......

rodders wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Sin é might...........................

That's funny because I was just going to say that Sin e would be my pick for most the agreeable chap in these parts.... ....

Don't worry though. If someone said you were a right pain in the effinarseanabollixtoboot! He'd disagree with that too.

Thomond wrote:Stop kissing Rodders' arse lads. His head won't fit through the gates of Ravenhill at this stage......

Feic off Thomond I'm the most amiable chap in Ravenhill I'll have you know

McCaw's mine on the fantasy game so I hope he puts in a huge show at 8 next week. Obvs hope Ireland win, but Conrad Smith and McCaw having stormers would be great, this talk about his poor form is distinctly unhelpful

...So anyways, I thought McCaw had a good game myself.... ...

The only thing...the only snippet of weakness/chink in the armour I see in McCaw is the veiled attempts at hiding exhaustion. He's an engine and a ruthless one at that but... time is making the effort tell, especially after bruising games. That's why another punch drunk effort from Ireland might just expose the chink enough to effect something.

rodders wrote:

Thomond wrote:Stop kissing Rodders' arse lads. His head won't fit through the gates of Ravenhill at this stage......

Feic off Thomond I'm the most amiable chap in Ravenhill I'll have you know

Is that when you're not giving out about iHumph Or McLaughlin or when Ulster aren't in crisis

Obviously its hard to be amiable when you're in crisis Thomond .....

McCaw is awesome, looked slow as a carthorse when McFadden outsprinted him last week but yet he's first player to nearly every ruck...

the guy has some engine and rugby brain to do that when he's that slow, I'll tell you.

Genius

No way Richie will lose the captaincy but he prides himself on his as well as the team's performance and those handling areas are uncharacteristic. However, from restarts he was supreme and was instrumental in Ireland not getting ball in that area, which proved crucial. Read is worryingly with a head injury but is captain material and is another good Canterbury man like all of us. But plenty of life in Richie. It won't be just richie being lashed at training this week and I don't mean drunk or bondage or a combination of both.

Maybe the absence of bondage was their punishment this week...

Don't disney..please...just don't. I don't want images of McCaw with a Gestapo latex ensemble putting nipple clips on Weepu.. I just do not want that image in my head.

For the record everyone McCaw did NOT play Zed and Weepu did NOT play Marsellus Wallace in Pulp Fiction...lol

McCaw will be ok. He outplayed Pocock on one leg in October so even though he's got work to do he'll be fine.

There have been TWO comments about Ritchie McCaw andcaptaicy in the NZ Press.One that Kieron Read,or Conrad Smith would take over in the EVENT of RM taking a sabbatical.The Second by Chris Rattue today making a snide comment.The Stats queen last week rated RM top of tha AB stats,this week he has high workrate figures but to many dropped balls.In a match where the other side are not playing Rugby but concentrating on stopping you play it is understandable.Rattue as a Rugby Journalist he rates lower than Stephen Jones if that is possible.When you look at his ratings he deliberately rated the AB`s low even so McCaw was the equal of Kieron Reid on 6/10 most of the team rated that.Reality time,question and answer.Who is THE most successful Captain currently? Mc Caw,who is the best 7 in NZ?Would you have won a RWC last year without him ?NO!!!When the chips were down who decided to set up the wining points ?McCaw.Is he finished at this level?should he just turn his back on an ungrateful nation.Go where the really big bucks are,he could still name his own price in france or Japan there probably for 5 or 6 years.
IF that is what everyone in NZ thinks of him after what he`s achieved instead of one Poisonous Journo.He should go abroad and a pox on those who drove him there.He has played 3 or 4 Super matches plus 2 tests most of which he has been near his best.BUT you judge him past it on one match when the whole side under performed.This isn`t the RWC squad look at the missing names,Slade,Nonu,Cory Jane,Kaino.Thorn,Cowan,Boric,Muliana,Mealamu,Ellis,to name a few.Add up the number of caps missing.The Game lost shape up front when injuries forced players off.The Scrum is an 8 man thing and to pick a Lock carrying a leg injury is ludicrous.In the event you choose to discard RM who replaces him.Cane,Todd, the Braid brothers,Karl Lowe none who has any real experience or the futility brothers Vito ,Thomson and Messam who suffer from schizophrenia on whether there 6,7,or 8.As i`ve said before THE best team[by the record] and THE worst media,one bad match [by there best standards]and the media is back to 2009.A PLAGUE ON ALL YOUR HOUSES!!!

The man is a wonderful player. Even if people think that he played badly on Saturday ( I don't) that's one match. It seems like an extreme reaction to have to talk of stripping someone of the captainsy for so little.

Speaking of bad performances what on earth did Sin E say and on what thread to deserve such censure? I keep coming across references to him ahd escaping him etc.

Ah Sin E is a good egg, one of the Irish posters... no offence intended, I hope he'll take the reference to him by fly and myself in the good spirit it's intended, if he stumbles in here . Sorry for the threadjack

Sin é - not a think wrong with Sin é. He knows all us Irish posters can be exacerbated by his attention to detail in his arguments that never, ever, ever take a step back, never compromises on his initial points. He is invariably always right even when he needs to go back over two decades of stats to meticulously uncover his reasons for being so.

Nothing wrong with Sin é - he knows we all joke about him and on a certain level, I think he enjoys it. But he's part of the club...part of the gang.

SecretFly wrote:Sin é - not a think wrong with Sin é. He knows all us Irish posters can be exacerbated by his attention to detail in his arguments that never, ever, ever take a step back, never compromises on his initial points. He is invariably always right even when he needs to go back over two decades of stats to meticulously uncover his reasons for being so.

Nothing wrong with Sin é - he knows we all joke about him and on a certain level, I think he enjoys it. But he's part of the club...part of the gang.

On right. I hadn't come across all these references to him/ slagging of him before so I thought there must have been a to-do... I'm slightly disappointed now.

I can't believe NZ are ready to push out McCaw now. He's too good.

SecretFly wrote:I'll be watching you closely from here on in Rodders!!! If you're not amicable and reasonable at all times from here on in, I'll be reporting you to pain.................. I think he uses chains and whips and something that goes whirr for disciplin issues in his underground padded cell.

Just don't forget the safe word

None is a true. Some little bit taxidermy when I was poor and try to find the career. But is a disaster to do this if you get bore easily like me. You end up with the stuff animal look like different one get flatten by the springbok pack.

McCaw had a few handling errors but toiled manfully throughout the game. Only a poor game by his standards.

He is leading a much weaker team than at the WC.
Mealamu,Thorn,Kaino,Jane, Kahui are all better than the men replacing them. Mind you Carter is a bit better than Donald.

On the other hand he really should take some time off. I would really like to see him skip the super season next year (may be even only be a sub in the AIs). I am sure he will NOT be there in 2015.

Is a true point by earlier poster about "hide the fatiguer" I like this idea and appealing to my sense of true. You see this more about McCaw look like exhausting by the end of the game than Thorn but maybe is some different position.

NZ are one lock short of a pack since Thorn go and I think also make McCaw need to do more work to winning the ruck. Retallick hit a lot of rucks but not so effective and Whitelock/Williams spend too much time worry about the hair style and not enough time make the "graft".

Just wondering if anyone else noticed the Irish chap with blue cap in the maul at 6:55 raking at McCaw's face, 2-3 times? May have affected his eyesight, hence the continual fumbles.

EBOP wrote:Just wondering if anyone else noticed the Irish chap with blue cap in the maul at 6:55 raking at McCaw's face, 2-3 times? May have affected his eyesight, hence the continual fumbles.

*sharp intake of air* careful EBOP...murky water there son......

Yeah I know Mintie, I don't mean to make anything of it, as it probably happens all the time. Just wondering if anyone else noticed.

When I saw it I thought it looked a little uncomfortable for McCaw. Just heard another poster mention his face looked a little beaten up and could have affected him. To be fair, after 6:55 I didn't see any marks so he must have got a knock somewhere else.

EBOP wrote:Just wondering if anyone else noticed the Irish chap with blue cap in the maul at 6:55 raking at McCaw's face, 2-3 times? May have affected his eyesight, hence the continual fumbles.

Yes, looked like contact with the eye area, even in slow motion, but I've heard nothing about McLaughlin being cited