Kevin Mealamu

by anotherworldofpain Mon 25 Jun 2012, 12:23 pm

First topic message reminder :

Was exceptional good when he come on for the all blacks. It seem to be not mention by anyone. Since so many Blues player getting crucified maybe is not popular to mention.

He seem so fit and also keep up with the low body driving position and lot of energy to hit the ruck despite the age.

A true great of the game! Well done Kevin!

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:26 am

We haven't exactly been going on and on about, it lasted for a few months. If it had happened in a regular tackle there would have been no issue the nature was the big grievance. Don't let a few ghouls complaining about it on here paint the picture of a whole nation.

People giving out about the BOD incident stopped a long time ago. It had no impact on the tests so it hasn't made much of a difference. I still don't see your connection between the two, it wasn't a tackle?

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:26 am

So it wasnt a spear tackle either then???

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:28 am

Alistair Campbell wrote an article for the Times "Spin no shield in face of poor form and spear tackles".

So he thinks it was the second most important factor in deciding the series. The first being the Lions poor form (note: not lack of skill, or anything to do with the ABs being the better team).

Also you will be familiar that is not possible to question Campbell's definition of anything without an expensive public judge headed enquiry. So Spear Tackle it was then...

by sugarNspikes Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:30 am

anotherworldofpain wrote:Alistair Campbell wrote an article for the Times "Spin no shield in face of poor form and spear tackles".

So he thinks it was the second most important factor in deciding the series. The first being the Lions poor form (note: not lack of skill, or anything to do with the ABs being the better team).

Also you will be familiar that is not possible to question Campbell's definition of anything without an expensive public judge headed enquiry. So Spear Tackle it was then...

Blimey, your English has improved markedly over the last couple of minutes Headscratch

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:31 am

Thanks sugar! I working hard at it!!!!

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:33 am

It seems to have rises and falls doesn't it Sugar? Wink

by John Cregan Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:34 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Thomond
Have you ever wondered how come rugby could suevive for over 130 years and have no such thing as a"Tip tackle" then all of a sudden O'Driscoll flips upside down, and got his smashed by a couple of ABs, the Irish get all up in arms about it, and go on and on and on etc. In an attempt to shut them up the IRB invents the "tip tackle", and its been the biggest blight on the game ever since. to the point of being the determing factor of the outcome of a number of games.

You'll find that sending players off for dangerous tackles (not that it happens too often), and the subsequent penalties awarded can sometimes determine the outcome of a game............

It's why those men with whistles are running around the field talking to the players.........

What's your point?? Do you think picking a man up and dropping him to the ground when he's in no position to protect himself is acceptable?.........or "got his (head) smashed " as you so nicely put it

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:35 am

How often does the "spear tackle" acually end up with an injury worse than the scrum, which is part of the game?

And notice the BOD incident was not a spear tackle as Chequered point out already.

by sugarNspikes Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:36 am

Thomond wrote:It seems to have rises and falls doesn't it Sugar?

Yeah, I guess sometimes the mask slips a little... censored

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:38 am

John
Read my post I never said smashed his head in, I actually thought he had a broken shoulder, a broken collar bone and a broken neck.

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:40 am

He said it wasn't a tackle which technically it isn't, it occured in a ruck (more in the aftermath) so it is a clearout, I think the man has to have the ball for it to be a tackle!

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:42 am

Never heard of the term late tackle?

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:44 am

For it to have been a late tackle you must have had the ball at soem stage which BOD never had. It's a clearout. Like Bradley Davies and Donncha Ryan in the 6N

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:46 am

Whats the definition of "some stage"?

by disneychilly Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:48 am

Spear Tackle sounds more inflammatory than cleanout which is why Campbell used it probably.

by John Cregan Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:48 am

aucklandlaurie wrote: John
Read my post I never said smashed his head in, I actually thought he had a broken shoulder, a broken collar bone and a broken neck.

You said "got his smashed" so i quoted you back with "head" in brackets assuming that was the word you were missing.............

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:48 am

Within about 5 seconds of the tackle.

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:49 am

Maybe he was going to get the ball in twenty minutes time.. so it was an early tackle.

by ChequeredJersey Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:51 am

aucklandlaurie wrote: Maybe he was going to get the ball in twenty minutes time.. so it was an early tackle.

Did you watch that match? The Lions never got the ball, except when we were kicking it back to the All blacks after another try!

by **rodders** Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:51 am

disneychilly wrote:Spear Tackle sounds more inflammatory than cleanout which is why Campbell used it probably.

It's probably worth pointing out that said clearout was from an offside position..... Whistle

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:51 am

John Cregan wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote: John
Read my post I never said smashed his head in, I actually thought he had a broken shoulder, a broken collar bone and a broken neck.

You said "got his smashed" so i quoted you back with "head" in brackets assuming that was the word you were missing.............

Sometimes it doesnt pay to assume.....

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:54 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote: Maybe he was going to get the ball in twenty minutes time.. so it was an early tackle.

Did you watch that match? The Lions never got the ball, except when we were kicking it back to the All blacks after another try!

Jeez chequered, may be O'Driscoll was going to get the game in some later test, so Tana said I may as well get him now ..

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:56 am

Leave it here I'd say lads, no one has said anything too ridiculous, the whole thing is in the past, had no impact on the tour. Let's leave it there.

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:57 am

Thomond wrote:Within about 5 seconds of the tackle.

Maybe thats the problem Ireland's got a different law book to every one else.

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:58 am

Give up Auckland, they have found out. Obvious since SBW was exiled from NZ rugby after failing to execute the game plan about try to maim BOD in the first minute of the recent series.

by Barney McGrew did it Wed 25 Jul 2012, 11:59 am

Jeez what a load of BS. It reflected badly on AB rugby and for those who can't see it, then more fool them. And it doesn’t really matter what you call it – my favourites are act of thuggery or maybe GBH for short – if it meant that refs took a dimmer view of trying to break a player’s neck: BLOODI GOOD.

by **rodders** Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:00 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Thomond wrote:Within about 5 seconds of the tackle.

Maybe thats the problem Ireland's got a different law book to every one else.

Well given that the IRB are based in Dublin we probably have the original copy if thats what you mean?..... Whistle

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:00 pm

So many suckers for Allistair Campbell's spin. (reference removed) AWOP, keep cool mate, no need to incite.

by Guest Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:01 pm

It's all a shame really, mealamu = thug and BOD = cry baby. That's the upshot from the whole affair, and the new tip rule. They're both better/more than that, I think.

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:03 pm

Whadda yu mean Give up ?

Its like when you got a hole in your tooth and your tongue wont leave it alone.

I actually thought it was Conrad Smith, he teased , and played O' Driscoll for 240 minutes last month and O'Driscoll didnt even know he was being played.

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:06 pm

It's sad that this one unfortunate incident get big up by so many as "GBH" "THUGGERY" "WORST COWARDLY ACT IN RUGBY" and these are all phrases use first time by Allistair Campbell. And the posters who mindlessly regurgitate this stuff 7 years later don't realise they were being player either!

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:07 pm

This sort of thing should come under the statute of limitations.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:07 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:It's sad that this one unfortunate incident get big up by so many as "GBH" "THUGGERY" "WORST COWARDLY ACT IN RUGBY" and these are all phrases use first time by Allistair Campbell. And the posters who mindlessly regurgitate this stuff 7 years later don't realise they were being player either!

Stop pouring oil on the fire AWOP

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:11 pm

Kiwi

Interesting that you turn up, remember when we had a discussion about Spear tackles/ and we were talking about Steve Kearney driving Jarrod McCracken into the soil at Parramatta Stadium, Now that was a spear tackle.

by Guest Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:12 pm

Ended his career that did. He had a right to be angry did McCracken.

by goneagain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:12 pm

Kiwireddevil wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:It's sad that this one unfortunate incident get big up by so many as "GBH" "THUGGERY" "WORST COWARDLY ACT IN RUGBY" and these are all phrases use first time by Allistair Campbell. And the posters who mindlessly regurgitate this stuff 7 years later don't realise they were being player either!

Stop pouring oil on the fire AWOP

Not wrong though, is he?

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:15 pm

It wasn't most cowardly act in rugby. Jame Kneeslip's was.

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:16 pm

EBOP wrote:Ended his career that did. He had a right to be angry did McCracken.

The crazy thing about that was that no one loved tackling more then Jarrod, he was quite happy for the opposition to have the ball for 80 minutes, he loved that tackling business..especially if it meant he got to smash people.

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:19 pm

goneagain wrote:
Kiwireddevil wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:It's sad that this one unfortunate incident get big up by so many as "GBH" "THUGGERY" "WORST COWARDLY ACT IN RUGBY" and these are all phrases use first time by Allistair Campbell. And the posters who mindlessly regurgitate this stuff 7 years later don't realise they were being player either!

Stop pouring oil on the fire AWOP

Not wrong though, is he?

Why pick on me when I am make a valid point? Auckland is pouring more oil here, I am just Kevin Mealamu - Page 2 1347041234

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by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:20 pm

EBOP wrote:Ended his career that did. He had a right to be angry did McCracken.

True. And the courts initially awarded him a bundle in compensation for end-of-career, until they realised that he'd made loads more $ as a property developer than he would have as a league player.

John Gallagher's book has a good little write up over the spear tackle that hampered his RL career and lead to RL toughening up their spear rules

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:21 pm

Spoiler:

Might be worth picking one of them up AWOP

by Guest Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:22 pm

Yeah, he was a tough bugger all right Laurie. And being done in by one of your own countrymen, hard to swallow. Didn't he try and take kearney to court? Maybe I got that wrong.

Reckon the way the lions and uk media handled the BOD thing was very unsportsmanlike. And is why we (or me at least) don't back down over it. The cheek of the whole thing, expecting tana to phone and apologise in person or bow down on his knees and pray for forgiveness, seriously?

by aucklandlaurie Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:23 pm

Thomond wrote:
Spoiler:

Might be worth picking one of them up AWOP

Can you buy them where you live? thats terrible.

by Guest Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:28 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:
goneagain wrote:
Kiwireddevil wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:It's sad that this one unfortunate incident get big up by so many as "GBH" "THUGGERY" "WORST COWARDLY ACT IN RUGBY" and these are all phrases use first time by Allistair Campbell. And the posters who mindlessly regurgitate this stuff 7 years later don't realise they were being player either!

Stop pouring oil on the fire AWOP

Not wrong though, is he?

Why pick on me when I am make a valid point? Auckland is pouring more oil here, I am just and

Harden up AWoP Very Happy

by ChequeredJersey Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:28 pm

The UK media always stirs up SH*t. I wouldn't worry about what gets printed over here

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:31 pm

EBOP wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:
goneagain wrote:
Kiwireddevil wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:It's sad that this one unfortunate incident get big up by so many as "GBH" "THUGGERY" "WORST COWARDLY ACT IN RUGBY" and these are all phrases use first time by Allistair Campbell. And the posters who mindlessly regurgitate this stuff 7 years later don't realise they were being player either!

Stop pouring oil on the fire AWOP

Not wrong though, is he?

Why pick on me when I am make a valid point? Auckland is pouring more oil here, I am just and
Harden up AWoP

Hopoate. Now there was a Cowardly thing to do.

by disneychilly Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:33 pm

You don't want to buy a Balotelli. He's probably worth more than the AB team combined.

Oh the shirt?

Remember Graeme Hughes commentating when we stuffed Aussie. "to McCracken! McCracken will score in the corner! Ettingshausen! What a try!" Poor bugger.

Summing up the tackle IMO. It was bloody reckless and deserved a suspension. It was NOT malicious or premeditated. Nothing to do with the haka response. BOD was NOT good enough to merit that kind of attention.

Sucks that Alistair Campbell's name pops up more in talk about that series than Dan Carter. Agree with EBOP, both camps treatment of the issue left a lot to be desired.

I was hoping that Woodward would have some lemons to suck on. Couldn't believe how arrogant he was after the 48-18 rout.

by Thomond Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:35 pm

Disney, Carter's and the All Blacks destruction of the Lions was a joy to watch in many ways. In all 3 test but the second in particular. The second test is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuaaS1HfdZY&feature=plcp

I would recommend watching it!

by anotherworldofpain Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:36 pm

"British and Irish Lions coach Sir Clive Woodward admitted his side had lost to an 'outstanding' New Zealand team. The Lions were overcome 48-18 in the second Test in Wellington to go 2-0 down and lose the series. "

Yes. How arrogant.

by disneychilly Wed 25 Jul 2012, 12:41 pm

I did Thomond. Cheers anyway mate. I believe that clip had the Woodward interview at the end. There's a French expression called "Tete a claque" which means a face you just want to smack. That's all I could think of after watching said interview.

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