Would a win over SA in November restore your faith in Kidney?

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Ireland play South Africa on 10th November,

Did you listen to the Keith Wood interview or are you afraid to because he would have far more informed assessment of the team, coaches and sport?

Sin é wrote:Any of you listen to the Enda McNulty interview, or are you afraid to because he would have far more informed assessment of the team, coaches and sport?

Is that the one you got me to listen to? I don't see how it supports Kidney one bit.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Did you listen to the Keith Wood interview or are you afraid to because he would have far more informed assessment of the team, coaches and sport?

What did Keith Wood say?

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Did you listen to the Keith Wood interview or are you afraid to because he would have far more informed assessment of the team, coaches and sport?

No I'm not. Do you have a link? Did he say Kidney should be sacked?

Edit: Rory - probably before your time but Woody was behind getting Gatland sacked

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Sin é wrote:Any of you listen to the Enda McNulty interview, or are you afraid to because he would have far more informed assessment of the team, coaches and sport?

Is that the one you got me to listen to? I don't see how it supports Kidney one bit.

He doesn't blame him either

He listed out the people who were missing - POC, Luke, Ferris, Bowe, Ross (for first test), D'Arcy & Jamie for the 3rd test.

Then he mentioned that their bodies were broken - season too long - said that Brad Thorn was critical of the lack of rest/recovery time they got.

Edit:He said he knows the players very well.

And then to qualify what he said about the rugby lads - he was very critical of the soccer sitatuion & coach.

He said that the soccer menltdown in Poland was down to a complete system failure, players badly prepared and wrong tactics.

He actually said that Trap had done a great job up to now, but he had brought the team as far as he could.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Feckless Rogue wrote:1 win in 11 tests against top 8 teams. We're so far off the pace. Way beyond where we should be with the players we have.

And it's not a puzzle as to why. We keep kicking away possession aimlessly or run mindlessly into contact. No wonder we can't beat teams of any quality. It's not rocket science. Our kicking tactics and defensive mindset are not adequate against these sides. The results don't lie.

And the results of our provinces don't lie either. The players we have at our disposal are better than that.

The worst thing is that Kidney realised kicking away aimlessly was a problem in the first Test against NZ and made changes so hopefully it won't be as big an issue any more,however on here we've been complaining about the kicking since the 2011 6N.Kidney is a year and a half behind this board in terms of his tactics so how far is he behind the best coaches in the world.

Kidney wasn't kicking the ball away.

Mind you, he was cross enough (for Kidney) after the match in his interview that they were kicking it away so much.

Yep it only took him a year and a half to notice it was a problem.

So explain why they do it some weeks and then others they don't. Does Kidney go to Sexton, ROG, Murray, Reddan, BOD & Kearney and tell them that one week they are to kick the ball away and then other weeks they are not allowed kick the ball away.

As a man who used to like using the boot, I'm sure Woody wouldn't take kindly being told that he isn't allowed kick the ball

So why are you asking if people are too afraid to hear the interview if it doesn't even mention the coaching?

The interviewer does ask this though - "Surely with the coaching staff we have we should be doing better" which is true. Kidney obviously was a fantastic coach for Munster, but at Ireland he has been totally out of his depth. We should be doing a much better job than we are. He does play a role in this Ireland team, you do realise that?

Notch wrote:

Sin é wrote:No. Your not getting it. Its about implementing a brand new gameplan with a week to prepare to a group of players, some of whom may not have even met 2/3s of the group and they are meant to go out and beat France the following week in the 6Ns.

I think there should be maybe three, four changes to the squad that toured New Zealand so familiarity not an issue. And new players will be drawn from an overwhelming THREE provincial sides. At this stage, the conservative arguments are beyond parody.

Yes it will take time for the team to gel, but thats just what needs to happen.

You wouldn't want a coach who would be willing to accept a job to go into a tournament with a week's preparation with the players he might know little about.

Fail to Prepare, Prepare to Fail.

I think you should tell Kidney that one Sin.. might help him out.

Sin é wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:Did you listen to the Keith Wood interview or are you afraid to because he would have far more informed assessment of the team, coaches and sport?

No I'm not. Do you have a link? Did he say Kidney should be sacked?

Edit: Rory - probably before your time but Woody was behind getting Gatland sacked

It's the off the ball podcast I don't have a link (I'm at work so can't access it) but you can download it on itunes.

Keith Wood doesn't want Kidney sacked, he does point out the many problems of our current set-up. He points out the many things that are going wrong (poor defensive system, selection errors,no attack coach, poor breakdown work) but he still stands by the man in charge.Unlike you though he admits that Kidney is getting it wrong and needs to do something different,I don't what he expects cos if Kidney had the answers he surely wouldn't have waited til now.

Sin é wrote:]

So explain why they do it some weeks and then others they don't. Does Kidney go to Sexton, ROG, Murray, Reddan, BOD & Kearney and tell them that one week they are to kick the ball away and then other weeks they are not allowed kick the ball away.

As a man who used to like using the boot, I'm sure Woody wouldn't take kindly being told that he isn't allowed kick the ball

What weeks do they not kick it away?Kidney has told them to do it with Ireland every week for the last 2 years.

I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:]

So explain why they do it some weeks and then others they don't. Does Kidney go to Sexton, ROG, Murray, Reddan, BOD & Kearney and tell them that one week they are to kick the ball away and then other weeks they are not allowed kick the ball away.

As a man who used to like using the boot, I'm sure Woody wouldn't take kindly being told that he isn't allowed kick the ball

What weeks do they not kick it away?Kidney has told them to do it with Ireland every week for the last 2 years.

Just because they do it doesn't necessarily mean they are told to do it.

Anyway, they didn't kick much on Saturday and that went well, didn't it?

Sin é wrote:Fail to Prepare, Prepare to Fail.

We've had three years of that. Thats the main reason why 90% of people want a change.

Sin é wrote:I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

how are the provinces not giving gametime to young players?

Sin é wrote:

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:]

So explain why they do it some weeks and then others they don't. Does Kidney go to Sexton, ROG, Murray, Reddan, BOD & Kearney and tell them that one week they are to kick the ball away and then other weeks they are not allowed kick the ball away.

As a man who used to like using the boot, I'm sure Woody wouldn't take kindly being told that he isn't allowed kick the ball

What weeks do they not kick it away?Kidney has told them to do it with Ireland every week for the last 2 years.

Just because they do it doesn't necessarily mean they are told to do it.

Anyway, they didn't kick much on Saturday and that went well, didn't it?

Using common sense I'd say it's far more likely they are doing what they're told to do.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Sin é wrote:I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

how are the provinces not giving gametime to young players?

I presume he meant meaningful gametime in pressured games, not just Aironi in the Rabbo.

Sin é wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Sin é wrote:I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

how are the provinces not giving gametime to young players?

I presume he meant meaningful gametime in pressured games, not just Aironi in the Rabbo.

You make a lot of presumptions when you debate.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Sin é wrote:I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

how are the provinces not giving gametime to young players?

keith wood said kidney made big mistakes

Sin é wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Sin é wrote:I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

how are the provinces not giving gametime to young players?

I presume he meant meaningful gametime in pressured games, not just Aironi in the Rabbo.

oh so games against cardiff edinburagh etc are not meaningful games?

Sin you have come off with some rubbish over the last few pages..

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:

LeinsterFan4life wrote:

Sin é wrote:I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

how are the provinces not giving gametime to young players?

I presume he meant meaningful gametime in pressured games, not just Aironi in the Rabbo.

You make a lot of presumptions when you debate.

The question was asked. I tried to explain.
Since Keith Wood doesn't post here we all can only presume at what he meant.

Who gives a toss what a psychologist said about this tour to New Zealand? Maybe the players were absolutely battered before the tour and hadnt a hope but its irrelevant. Kidney shouldnt be sacked on the basis of losing 3-0 to the World champions or even getting embarrassed by losing 60-0 (personally the england game was a much worse loss). He should be sacked because since the beginnnign of 2010 we have been rubbish. Playing rubbish rugby and getting rubbish results. Notchs stats prove it. 1 win against a top 8 team in 11 attempts is simply nowhere near good enough.

Hes had 4 years to get this team where he wanted and he has either failed or he has succeeded and he is more clueless than anyone could have imagined.

Id like him to be gone as soon as they have a replacement however i see him finishing his contract because honestly i don't see who would want to take over this team at present.

You mean take what you want from it

You're ignoring the many criticisms he made of the way Ireland are playing, their tactics, everything. Just couldn't bring himself to turn on someone he knows well from Irish rugby circles but if you listen to his criticisms of the way Ireland are playing it doesn't take much to read between the lines... he even says that maybe Kidney has taught this group of players everything he can!

See? I can distort the facts and twist someone elses words to make an argument too- doesn't make it any more right

You are the clown-general of 606v2.

Notch wrote:You mean take what you want from it

You're ignoring the many criticisms he made of the way Ireland are playing, their tactics, everything. Just couldn't bring himself to turn on someone he knows well from Irish rugby circles but if you listen to his criticisms of the way Ireland are playing it doesn't take much to read between the lines... he even says that maybe Kidney has taught this group of players everything he can!

See? I can distort the facts and twist someone elses words to make an argument too- doesn't make it any more right

You are the clown-general of 606v2.

Sticks and stones Notch, Sticks and stones

... and do you understand what maybe means ..... People use it when asked a direct question like "Do you think that the players are stale". Your cluthing at straws.

Quite interesting how even the interviewer dismissed all the bloggers calling for Kidney head as rubbish and best ignored

Sin é wrote:

Notch wrote:You mean take what you want from it

You're ignoring the many criticisms he made of the way Ireland are playing, their tactics, everything. Just couldn't bring himself to turn on someone he knows well from Irish rugby circles but if you listen to his criticisms of the way Ireland are playing it doesn't take much to read between the lines... he even says that maybe Kidney has taught this group of players everything he can!

See? I can distort the facts and twist someone elses words to make an argument too- doesn't make it any more right

You are the clown-general of 606v2.

Sticks and stones Notch, Sticks and stones

... and do you understand what maybe means ..... People use it when asked a direct question like "Do you think that the players are stale". Your cluthing at straws.

Quite interesting how even the interviewer dismissed all the bloggers calling for Kidney head as rubbish and best ignored

More interesting is how he said Kidney had made a lot of big mistakes.

Golden wrote:Who gives a toss what a psychologist said about this tour to New Zealand? Maybe the players were absolutely battered before the tour and hadnt a hope but its irrelevant. Kidney shouldnt be sacked on the basis of losing 3-0 to the World champions or even getting embarrassed by losing 60-0 (personally the england game was a much worse loss). He should be sacked because since the beginnnign of 2010 we have been rubbish. Playing rubbish rugby and getting rubbish results. Notchs stats prove it. 1 win against a top 8 team in 11 attempts is simply nowhere near good enough.

Hes had 4 years to get this team where he wanted and he has either failed or he has succeeded and he is more clueless than anyone could have imagined.

Id like him to be gone as soon as they have a replacement however i see him finishing his contract because honestly i don't see who would want to take over this team at present.

You saying the players are crap ?

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Notch wrote:You mean take what you want from it

You're ignoring the many criticisms he made of the way Ireland are playing, their tactics, everything. Just couldn't bring himself to turn on someone he knows well from Irish rugby circles but if you listen to his criticisms of the way Ireland are playing it doesn't take much to read between the lines... he even says that maybe Kidney has taught this group of players everything he can!

See? I can distort the facts and twist someone elses words to make an argument too- doesn't make it any more right

You are the clown-general of 606v2.

Sticks and stones Notch, Sticks and stones

... and do you understand what maybe means ..... People use it when asked a direct question like "Do you think that the players are stale". Your cluthing at straws.

Quite interesting how even the interviewer dismissed all the bloggers calling for Kidney head as rubbish and best ignored

More interesting is how he said Kidney had made a lot of big mistakes.

He said it was a big mistake starting Wallace. What were the other ones?

Sin é wrote:

Golden wrote:Who gives a toss what a psychologist said about this tour to New Zealand? Maybe the players were absolutely battered before the tour and hadnt a hope but its irrelevant. Kidney shouldnt be sacked on the basis of losing 3-0 to the World champions or even getting embarrassed by losing 60-0 (personally the england game was a much worse loss). He should be sacked because since the beginnnign of 2010 we have been rubbish. Playing rubbish rugby and getting rubbish results. Notchs stats prove it. 1 win against a top 8 team in 11 attempts is simply nowhere near good enough.

Hes had 4 years to get this team where he wanted and he has either failed or he has succeeded and he is more clueless than anyone could have imagined.

Id like him to be gone as soon as they have a replacement however i see him finishing his contract because honestly i don't see who would want to take over this team at present.

You saying the players are crap

Nope saying there arent too many top class coaches out there who would like to take Ireland on. Can see us getting someone like Mallett who may turn out to be a good move but wouldnt exactly class him as a world class coach (setting my sights a bit high perhaps). Maybe more likely is Mike Ruddock who apart form this year i didnt think was too good at under 20 level. I know he has a grand Slam with Wales but since then he hasn't been too successful.

Why wouldn't a top class coach want to coach Ireland, Golden?

Well whose available? thats not tied up with a club or another country??

Sin é wrote:



He said it was a big mistake starting Wallace. What were the other ones?

Soft,drift defensive system,Paddy Wallace flown over and parachuted into the team,Les Kiss doing 2 jobs.He doesn't go into much more detail as he got sidetracked expanding on the Paddy Wallace point but his exact words are Kidney "has made a large chunk of big errors".

He also says Kidney has to change as what he's doing now isn't working.

Sin, do you literally only listen to things that support your world view? You have a completely twisted version of what the guy said in your head

Joe Schmidt is the ideal coach, but unlikely to want the job in my opinion.

Nick Mallett and Mike Ruddock are good options, I would hugely prefer Ruddock to Mallett tbh but have misgivings about both. I just wonder whether Wayne Smith could be tempted away from his role as backs coach in Waikato that would be a real coup.

Notch wrote:Joe Schmidt is the ideal coach, but unlikely to want the job in my opinion.

Nick Mallett and Mike Ruddock are good options, I would hugely prefer Ruddock to Mallett tbh but have misgivings about both. I just wonder whether Wayne Smith could be tempted away from his role as backs coach in Waikato that would be a real coup.

Now you are not listening Notch.
Woody said Schmidt as an option was out as he was still in contract.
Wasn't that impressed with Nick Mallett's Italy at the world cup. Some of you think selecting Paddy Wallace was crazy, but at least he was a centre. Mallett's selection of Mauro Bergamasco means he will always be remembered for that performance.
Wayne Smith doesn't want to be a head coach and he turned down England backs coach because he didn't want to leave NZ as his parents are getting on.
Mike Ruddock couldn't handle the Welsh players and has been poor for the U20s up to this when he discovered by accident that the player he was selecting at 12 is good enough to get a nomination as int. young player of the year at 10, having not even got a MOTM award at 12.

asoreleftshoulder wrote:

Sin é wrote:



He said it was a big mistake starting Wallace. What were the other ones?

Soft,drift defensive system,Paddy Wallace flown over and parachuted into the team,Les Kiss doing 2 jobs.He doesn't go into much more detail as he got sidetracked expanding on the Paddy Wallace point but his exact words are Kidney "has made a large chunk of big errors".

He also says Kidney has to change as what he's doing now isn't working.

Crickey, Woody is like the rest of you here ... prone to exaggeration and can't back it up then with facts or details!

Thought he said (having been asked should he be sacked) that he had to change things.

Sin é wrote:

Notch wrote:Joe Schmidt is the ideal coach, but unlikely to want the job in my opinion.

Nick Mallett and Mike Ruddock are good options, I would hugely prefer Ruddock to Mallett tbh but have misgivings about both. I just wonder whether Wayne Smith could be tempted away from his role as backs coach in Waikato that would be a real coup.

Now you are not listening Notch.
Woody said Schmidt as an option was out as he was still in contract.
Wasn't that impressed with Nick Mallett's Italy at the world cup. Some of you think selecting Paddy Wallace was crazy, but at least he was a centre. Mallett's selection of Mauro Bergamasco means he will always be remembered for that performance.
Wayne Smith doesn't want to be a head coach and he turned down England backs coach because he didn't want to leave NZ as his parents are getting on.
Mike Ruddock couldn't handle the Welsh players and has been poor for the U20s up to this when he discovered by accident that the player he was selecting at 12 is good enough to get a nomination as int. young player of the year at 10, having not even got a MOTM award at 12.

So do you not agree with me that a top class coach would be hard to come by for Ireland?

Notch wrote:You mean take what you want from it

oh and Notch .... more attention to detail ..... I was responding to another post. The 'also' is significant if you care to check the post I was responding to.

I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests

Golden wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Notch wrote:Joe Schmidt is the ideal coach, but unlikely to want the job in my opinion.

Nick Mallett and Mike Ruddock are good options, I would hugely prefer Ruddock to Mallett tbh but have misgivings about both. I just wonder whether Wayne Smith could be tempted away from his role as backs coach in Waikato that would be a real coup.

Now you are not listening Notch.
Woody said Schmidt as an option was out as he was still in contract.
Wasn't that impressed with Nick Mallett's Italy at the world cup. Some of you think selecting Paddy Wallace was crazy, but at least he was a centre. Mallett's selection of Mauro Bergamasco means he will always be remembered for that performance.
Wayne Smith doesn't want to be a head coach and he turned down England backs coach because he didn't want to leave NZ as his parents are getting on.
Mike Ruddock couldn't handle the Welsh players and has been poor for the U20s up to this when he discovered by accident that the player he was selecting at 12 is good enough to get a nomination as int. young player of the year at 10, having not even got a MOTM award at 12.

So do you not agree with me that a top class coach would be hard to come by for Ireland?

I do. I remember the last time - something like 2 applicants and everyone else the IRFU tried to headhunt turned them down.

Gert Smal applied for the Munster job, he didn't apply for the Ireland one and he had just won a world cup as Assisant coach with SA.

Thats why I would be advocating people to be careful for what they wish for. Of course all the players will feel guilty as well if Kidney gets sacked because they didn't perform.

Sin é wrote:
Crickey, Woody is like the rest of you here ... prone to exaggeration and can't back it up then with facts or details!

Thought he said (having been asked should he be sacked) that he had to change things.

Lol Sin you just described yourself perfectly

Sin é wrote:

So do you not agree with me that a top class coach would be hard to come by for Ireland?

I do. I remember the last time - something like 2 applicants and everyone else the IRFU tried to headhunt turned them down.

Gert Smal applied for the Munster job, he didn't apply for the Ireland one and he had just won a world cup as Assisant coach with SA.

Thats why I would be advocating people to be careful for what they wish for. Of course all the players will feel guilty as well if Kidney gets sacked because they didn't perform.


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Kidney will feel guilty too since he hasn't performed either.

Kidney will feel guilty too since he hasn't performed either.

But he is the one who is getting punished by being sacked. BOD's head should role as well, as he was very poor in the first test and he was shocking last Saturday. He doesn't have the excuse of a long hard season as an excuse either.

Sin é wrote:

Kidney will feel guilty too since he hasn't performed either.

But he is the one who is getting punished by being sacked. BOD's head should role as well, as he was very poor in the first test and he was shocking last Saturday. He doesn't have the excuse of a long hard season as an excuse either.

The problem is he isn't getting sacked and until he does none of the players will feel any heat since Kidney will tell them "shure it's grand didn't ye try your best".

Sin é wrote:

Kidney will feel guilty too since he hasn't performed either.

But he is the one who is getting punished by being sacked. BOD's head should role as well, as he was very poor in the first test and he was shocking last Saturday. He doesn't have the excuse of a long hard season as an excuse either.

Maybe a new coach would get rid of BOD, the IRFU employ Kidney and trust him to pick the right team, if he doesn't do that it's his fault...

Sin é wrote:I just listened to it. He also said that he had no idea why Ireland were going to NZ for 3 tests and that 17 tests in a year is far too many. He was BOD had a very poor game - tried to force it. Talked about Richie getting the scent of blood and putting the boot in.

He said he read some of the fan blogs and said that basically that they were not to be taken seriously as they were just followed provincial lines.

Also critical of the provinces for not giving enough gametime to young players.
Critical of ball presentation (surely down to provincial coaching?)

Was supportive of Paddy Wallace and Conor Murray - said they don't deserve the criticism that they are getting.

He was far more critical of the players than Kidney considering he was asked a direct question as to whether Kidney should be sacked.

Link for anyone who wants it.

http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/keith-wood-on-the-state-of-irish-rugby/

Every team did 3 summer tests, what makes us different from other countries?

Sin é wrote:

Kidney will feel guilty too since he hasn't performed either.

But he is the one who is getting punished by being sacked. BOD's head should role as well, as he was very poor in the first test and he was shocking last Saturday. He doesn't have the excuse of a long hard season as an excuse either.

You've used rustiness as a reason for O'Gara being poor and or out of form, is BOD allowed that?

Lets not forget BOD had key hole surgery not to long ago and he hasnt had a break since the surgery.

Thomond wrote:


Every team did 3 summer tests, what makes us different from other countries?

None of the other teams are the all-blacks who just won the world cup and none of those countries had Heineken Cup finalists x 2.

Thomond wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Kidney will feel guilty too since he hasn't performed either.

But he is the one who is getting punished by being sacked. BOD's head should role as well, as he was very poor in the first test and he was shocking last Saturday. He doesn't have the excuse of a long hard season as an excuse either.

You've used rustiness as a reason for O'Gara being poor and or out of form, is BOD allowed that?

BOD started 4 Magners & 1/4, 1/2 & final HCup = 7 games. You wouldn't be rusty after that.

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Lets not forget BOD had key hole surgery not to long ago and he hasnt had a break since the surgery.

Mustn't have been much as he managed to make the HCup final + Rabo Final.