Would a win over SA in November restore your faith in Kidney?

by clivemcl Mon 25 Jun 2012, 1:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

Ireland play South Africa on 10th November,

by Thomond Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:12 pm

I disagree but can see why you think that. For me it's clear cut at the moment, Toulouse have the most trophies ergo they're the best team in history. As I said Leinster are the best "dynasty" as they have won 3 in 4 years and all that, so to surmise Toulouse best club, Leinster 09-present best team.

by asoreleftshoulder Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:18 pm

Thomond wrote:I disagree but can see why you think that. For me it's clear cut at the moment, Toulouse have the most tohpies ergo they're the best team in history. As I said Leinster are the best "dynasty" as they have won 3 in 4 years and all that.

Yeah just edited my post,we're basically arguing semantics as what you're calling dynasty I'm calling team.

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:23 pm

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Right Sin what is our game plan if we aren't crashing it up the middle and kicking it away?

Just because the AB's kicked more in 1 test doesn't mean we aren't kicking the ball away. The AB's can kick for touch well and pressure us, we weren't doing the same as the AB wingers could drop back as we weren't threatening their defence so they could afford to cut off the touch line to us.

You've just made this in to a catfight again and are spoiling another thread. I'd love an Aussie/Kiwi coach because I think they would suit our physique and get the best out of us, not due to any Leinster coaching history, cut it out.

Sin, I'd love to meet you on a rugby pitch, I REALLY would.

Petey, NZ, Australia, England, Wales & SA all kicked way more than Ireland in the last 3 games they have just played Very Happy

Our running outhalf isn't doing much running though. Wink

(until ROG comes on anyway and he moves to 12).

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:24 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
I didn't mention where any of them went to school - Terenure College (just like Pres Cork) would have nothing to do with O'Shea or O'Gara taking up coaching careers.

Leinster still a bit behind on the win stakes in European rugby though, so I'm not sure you can claim to be the best team in the history of European Club Glory. History can be changed by Toulouse or Munster winning it next year if you want to ignore the actual standings of the win/loss ratio in Europe;)

Toulouse: Wins 88. Draws 4; Losses: 33
Munster: Wins: 86, Draws:1. Lossess: 35
Leinster: Wins: 77; Draws: 3. Losses: 35.
Leicester: Wins 73; Dra 4; Losses 35.

Those are mighty weak straws you're clutching at.

Something for you to aim for Wink

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:26 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:That demented mole blog is a pretty damning indictment.

This was the biggest test defeat in the sixteen-year history of professional rugby in Ireland

he has lost four games on the trot by an aggregate score of 38-154.

Look at the downward trend of results in the Six Nations under his tenure:

2009 P5 W5 D0 L0;
2010 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2011 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2010 P5 W2 D1 L2

An all the while our provinces and under age teams are doing better than ever. In particular Leinster, with nearly all Irish players, are dominating Europe like no other since the inception of the HC. This coaching team are clearly not doing a good job. And anyone who thinks they are are living in la-la land.

Leinster can't win two important (as in finals) games back to back - discuss how this is affecting Irish rugby.

by Thomond Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:28 pm

I can't think of the last time Munster put two great performances back to back.

by asoreleftshoulder Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:28 pm

Sin é wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
I didn't mention where any of them went to school - Terenure College (just like Pres Cork) would have nothing to do with O'Shea or O'Gara taking up coaching careers.

Leinster still a bit behind on the win stakes in European rugby though, so I'm not sure you can claim to be the best team in the history of European Club Glory. History can be changed by Toulouse or Munster winning it next year if you want to ignore the actual standings of the win/loss ratio in Europe;)

Toulouse: Wins 88. Draws 4; Losses: 33
Munster: Wins: 86, Draws:1. Lossess: 35
Leinster: Wins: 77; Draws: 3. Losses: 35.
Leicester: Wins 73; Dra 4; Losses 35.

Those are mighty weak straws you're clutching at.

Something for you to aim for

Nah you can get a record like that by losing HC finals,that isn't up to Leinsters standards thumbsup

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:29 pm

Thomond wrote:Are Leinster the best team in European history? No Toulouse are, more trophy wins and that's it. Are Leinster what our American friends would call a Dynasty? Yes they are and they are the best dynasty in European Club Rugby history.

I'd be looking to the Chinese rather than the Americans on what a dynasty is Very Happy

I would say Ireland kick the ball away a lot, I wouldn't mind kicking if we did it intelligently, the way we go about it is asinine. That's the issue.

They don't. Its just its usually very, very poor kicking.

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:30 pm

Thomond wrote:I can't think of the last time Munster put two great performances back to back.

Neither can I. So there is a provincial problem there that isn't just with the national team.

by asoreleftshoulder Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:30 pm

Sin é wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:That demented mole blog is a pretty damning indictment.

This was the biggest test defeat in the sixteen-year history of professional rugby in Ireland

he has lost four games on the trot by an aggregate score of 38-154.

Look at the downward trend of results in the Six Nations under his tenure:

2009 P5 W5 D0 L0;
2010 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2011 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2010 P5 W2 D1 L2

An all the while our provinces and under age teams are doing better than ever. In particular Leinster, with nearly all Irish players, are dominating Europe like no other since the inception of the HC. This coaching team are clearly not doing a good job. And anyone who thinks they are are living in la-la land.

Leinster can't win two important (as in finals) games back to back - discuss how this is affecting Irish rugby.

If you think it's relevant then you discuss it.

by Thomond Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:38 pm

Sin é wrote:
Thomond wrote:Are Leinster the best team in European history? No Toulouse are, more trophy wins and that's it. Are Leinster what our American friends would call a Dynasty? Yes they are and they are the best dynasty in European Club Rugby history.

I'd be looking to the Chinese rather than the Americans on what a dynasty is

I would say Ireland kick the ball away a lot, I wouldn't mind kicking if we did it intelligently, the way we go about it is asinine. That's the issue.

They don't. Its just its usually very, very poor kicking.

We kicked around 17 times a match over the Summer tests. Down from the 6 nations by a fair bit where we kicked 20+ a few times and 32 times against Wales. It's not as big an issue ,the way we kick is the bigger problem.

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:48 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
I didn't mention where any of them went to school - Terenure College (just like Pres Cork) would have nothing to do with O'Shea or O'Gara taking up coaching careers.

Leinster still a bit behind on the win stakes in European rugby though, so I'm not sure you can claim to be the best team in the history of European Club Glory. History can be changed by Toulouse or Munster winning it next year if you want to ignore the actual standings of the win/loss ratio in Europe;)

Toulouse: Wins 88. Draws 4; Losses: 33
Munster: Wins: 86, Draws:1. Lossess: 35
Leinster: Wins: 77; Draws: 3. Losses: 35.
Leicester: Wins 73; Dra 4; Losses 35.

Those are mighty weak straws you're clutching at.

Something for you to aim for

Nah you can get a record like that by losing HC finals,that isn't up to Leinsters standards

Leinster have one particular record for Europe (weird kind of a one which is 3 in 4 years)!

Normal kind of records are back-to-backs (Leicester & Leinster), 3 in a row (no one), 5 in a row (no one) or something like the double of HCup & domestic comp (no one).

How long will it take Leinster/Toulouse to beat Munster's making the Knock-outs record? What are you on now?

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 4:51 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:That demented mole blog is a pretty damning indictment.

This was the biggest test defeat in the sixteen-year history of professional rugby in Ireland

he has lost four games on the trot by an aggregate score of 38-154.

Look at the downward trend of results in the Six Nations under his tenure:

2009 P5 W5 D0 L0;
2010 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2011 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2010 P5 W2 D1 L2

An all the while our provinces and under age teams are doing better than ever. In particular Leinster, with nearly all Irish players, are dominating Europe like no other since the inception of the HC. This coaching team are clearly not doing a good job. And anyone who thinks they are are living in la-la land.

Leinster can't win two important (as in finals) games back to back - discuss how this is affecting Irish rugby.

If you think it's relevant then you discuss it.

I don't know why the provinces or national team find it to put back-to-back performances to gether. If we could solve that one we might win the 6Ns more often.

by LeinsterFan4life Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:00 pm

Sin é wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:That demented mole blog is a pretty damning indictment.

This was the biggest test defeat in the sixteen-year history of professional rugby in Ireland

he has lost four games on the trot by an aggregate score of 38-154.

Look at the downward trend of results in the Six Nations under his tenure:

2009 P5 W5 D0 L0;
2010 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2011 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2010 P5 W2 D1 L2

An all the while our provinces and under age teams are doing better than ever. In particular Leinster, with nearly all Irish players, are dominating Europe like no other since the inception of the HC. This coaching team are clearly not doing a good job. And anyone who thinks they are are living in la-la land.

Leinster can't win two important (as in finals) games back to back - discuss how this is affecting Irish rugby.

If you think it's relevant then you discuss it.

I don't know why the provinces or national team find it to put back-to-back performances to gether. If we could solve that one we might win the 6Ns more often.

All the provinces have put in back to back performances- not every game can be a final

by asoreleftshoulder Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:09 pm

Sin é wrote:
Leinster have one particular record for Europe (weird kind of a one which is 3 in 4 years)!

Normal kind of records are back-to-backs (Leicester & Leinster), 3 in a row (no one), 5 in a row (no one) or something like the double of HCup & domestic comp (no one).

How long will it take Leinster/Toulouse to beat Munster's making the Knock-outs record? What are you on now?

Dunno what we're on now maybe 5,no idea what way Toulouse are in that department.Honestly don't know if we'll ever equal or break it there's so much luck involved,if we started getting groups like Biarritz usually do for the next few years then we'd smash it whereas if we keep drawing Clermont it's not going to be as easy.

by Mickado Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:12 pm

Leinster put 50 points on two teams two weeks in a row and had an unbeaten record in all competitions between September and March.

WELL able to put in two big games in a row.

by Sin é Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:20 pm

LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Sin é wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:That demented mole blog is a pretty damning indictment.

This was the biggest test defeat in the sixteen-year history of professional rugby in Ireland

he has lost four games on the trot by an aggregate score of 38-154.

Look at the downward trend of results in the Six Nations under his tenure:

2009 P5 W5 D0 L0;
2010 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2011 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2010 P5 W2 D1 L2

An all the while our provinces and under age teams are doing better than ever. In particular Leinster, with nearly all Irish players, are dominating Europe like no other since the inception of the HC. This coaching team are clearly not doing a good job. And anyone who thinks they are are living in la-la land.

Leinster can't win two important (as in finals) games back to back - discuss how this is affecting Irish rugby.

If you think it's relevant then you discuss it.

I don't know why the provinces or national team find it to put back-to-back performances to gether. If we could solve that one we might win the 6Ns more often.
All the provinces have put in back to back performances- not every game can be a final

An example of not doing it back-to-back would have been Leinster beating Munster in a difficult game and losing to London Irish the following week in the HC.

Another example would be the last two Magners finals when Leinster had a HCup the week before.

I select these games as Leinster would have been expected to win as they had performed well the week before to their loss.

by Triangulation Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:23 pm

Whatever you all say in answer to the OP on here about that not being enough. It will be enough. And you'll all say so before the man sausage crows thrice.

I'll still be here to witness it too.

The one off win is always enough.

All you want to do is secure underdog status and then spoil the party.

You do that dance a merry jig, drown yourselves in guiness and all the failures and disappointments down the years are not only forgiven but forgotten....

until next time...

But the slate is eternally wiped clean over and over.

I dont mind all that anyway. I think it is endearing in an infuriating kind of way.

I just do wish with all my rotten English heart that you'd pick on someone other than England when going for the ritualistic win kill absolution thing that you do.

Cheers thumbsup

by LeinsterFan4life Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:26 pm

Sin é wrote:
LeinsterFan4life wrote:
Sin é wrote:
asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Sin é wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:That demented mole blog is a pretty damning indictment.

This was the biggest test defeat in the sixteen-year history of professional rugby in Ireland

he has lost four games on the trot by an aggregate score of 38-154.

Look at the downward trend of results in the Six Nations under his tenure:

2009 P5 W5 D0 L0;
2010 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2011 P5 W3 D0 L2;
2010 P5 W2 D1 L2

An all the while our provinces and under age teams are doing better than ever. In particular Leinster, with nearly all Irish players, are dominating Europe like no other since the inception of the HC. This coaching team are clearly not doing a good job. And anyone who thinks they are are living in la-la land.

Leinster can't win two important (as in finals) games back to back - discuss how this is affecting Irish rugby.

If you think it's relevant then you discuss it.

I don't know why the provinces or national team find it to put back-to-back performances to gether. If we could solve that one we might win the 6Ns more often.
All the provinces have put in back to back performances- not every game can be a final

An example of not doing it back-to-back would have been Leinster beating Munster in a difficult game and losing to London Irish the following week in the HC.

Another example would be the last two Magners finals when Leinster had a HCup the week before.

I select these games as Leinster would have been expected to win as they had performed well the week before to their loss.

Whats your point. I dont get it? We can't win every game, you know that right? Every team loses games

by Triangulation Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:28 pm

not "man sausage" curse you biltong!

cockerell!

by kiakahaaotearoa Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:36 pm

Before the man sausage spurts thrice. I'm going to print t-shirts! Laugh

by Triangulation Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:39 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Before the man sausage spurts thrice. I'm going to print t-shirts!

Yes well i have always suspected that the irish indulged in post victory hand parties for one with mrs palmer and her 5 daughters too. It's all part of the healing process to be sure.

by asoreleftshoulder Tue 03 Jul 2012, 5:48 pm

Triangulation wrote:not "man sausage" curse you biltong!

cockerell!

Ah the good old 606v2 swear filter,comedy gold.

by Golden Tue 03 Jul 2012, 7:37 pm

Sin are you actually happy with the way Ireland are playing??

And do you really not think theres anything the coaches can do about it?

by **Biltong** Tue 03 Jul 2012, 8:11 pm

asoreleftshoulder wrote:
Triangulation wrote:not "man sausage" curse you biltong!

cockerell!

Ah the good old 606v2 swear filter,comedy gold.

Sorry boys but I am a little lost here. Would a win over SA in November restore your faith in Kidney? - Page 5 Idunno10

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Wed 04 Jul 2012, 11:20 am

Leinster put 50 points on two teams two weeks in a row and had an unbeaten record in all competitions between September and March.

WELL able to put in two big games in a row.

Mickado

I am glad you pointed that out the thought of Sin trying to imply losing a final (after winning a final the week before) is a mark that we can't win big games when we got to two finals by playing big match after big match, indeed playing a semi and then a final.

Petey, NZ, Australia, England, Wales & SA all kicked way more than Ireland in the last 3 games they have just played

Our running outhalf isn't doing much running though. (until ROG comes on anyway and he moves to 12).

Sin E

Our running outhalf has been our second best back on this tour and one of the best players in the NH this season. It is not his fault if our attacking patters are poor. The screen is an outdated move and yet Kidney continues to employ it to try and go around defences, difficult to do at the best of times but when coming off the back of slow service it has no chance. You see (well I'm not sure you actually watch rugby) we see Sexton playing beautifully rugby (albeit at a lower level) by using his teammates with dummy runners, offloads, slick interplays, depth and pace. If Ireland did this (at that higher level) we would do FAR better. We don't so we don't do well. Sexton is one of our best players don't make him appear worse just because you're a cretin who has a very limited understanding of rugby and are biased.

I love debating on this forum and I really enjoy discussing things with a number of members, be it pros and cons of selections, transfer news, tactics, talking about backs moves and general backplay is by far in a way my favourite. Now you and I sin have clashed heads many times and I have seen you clash heads with others many times and more. Further to that I have seen other posters (who I would respect) advising others not to engage with you.

Having an opinion and being able to discuss and express it is a wonderful thing but comes with responsibilites. No one wants to deal with a WUM, no one wants an opinion that comes across as unnecessarily biased particularily when it is a constand stream, we all know the examples they are all over these boards.

It was a joy when a poster created a thread away from the thread you had corrupted and while this is by no means the worst I've seen you in my time here and on 606v1, I guess this is the straw that broke the camels back.

So, with that in mind I will do as those posters I referred to earlier advised, I won't engage with you. I know seems pretty pathetic doesn't it and I doubt you will care whether I engage with you or not. I hope this trend will kick off though as I do believe you ruin threads and you corrupt good debate so I hope others decide to ignore you too and deny you the kicks you have been getting over the course of the years.

Hopefully if others do the same you may re-invent yourself and give your views without all the nasty stuff in there too. I've no idea what sort of person you are but the pseudo of Sin E is not one I have enjoyed interacting with and wish I'd stopped responding to months ago.

I urge others to consider doing the same and make your own judgements.

by Triangulation Wed 04 Jul 2012, 3:24 pm

Triangulation wrote:Whatever you all say in answer to the OP on here about that not being enough. It will be enough. And you'll all say so before the man sausage crows thrice.

I'll still be here to witness it too.

The one off win is always enough.

All you want to do is secure underdog status and then spoil the party.

You do that dance a merry jig, drown yourselves in guiness and all the failures and disappointments down the years are not only forgiven but forgotten....

until next time...

But the slate is eternally wiped clean over and over.

I dont mind all that anyway. I think it is endearing in an infuriating kind of way.

I just do wish with all my rotten English heart that you'd pick on someone other than England when going for the ritualistic win kill absolution thing that you do.

Cheers

by Sin é Wed 04 Jul 2012, 6:38 pm

Golden wrote:Sin are you actually happy with the way Ireland are playing??

And do you really not think theres anything the coaches can do about it?

I'm not particularly happy with the results, but I'm not all that surprised that they are the way they are considering who is out injured and the lack of form & experience of some of the players who are out of their depth really.

The coaches can start putting down the foot with regard to who is brought in to the provinces and how they are used.
I also think that Ireland should get a backs coach (or a defensive coach).

by Golden Wed 04 Jul 2012, 8:38 pm

Sin é wrote:
Golden wrote:Sin are you actually happy with the way Ireland are playing??

And do you really not think theres anything the coaches can do about it?

I'm not particularly happy with the results, but I'm not all that surprised that they are the way they are considering who is out injured and the lack of form & experience of some of the players who are out of their depth really.

The coaches can start putting down the foot with regard to who is brought in to the provinces and how they are used.
I also think that Ireland should get a backs coach (or a defensive coach).

You CANNOT blame the way were playing on form or injuries. We have been playing like this since 2010. Its far too long a period of time to blame it on these things.

You dont get 2 provinces as the HC finalists and two in the league playoffs and not have a huge amount of IRISH players fit and playing well.

I do agree with you that kidney should have had the complete coaching staff but surely that goes to show that even the IRFU have no faith in him and are just letting his contract run out.

by Mickado Thu 05 Jul 2012, 8:42 am

http://murraykinsella.wordpress.com/

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 05 Jul 2012, 11:34 am

Mickado wrote:http://murraykinsella.wordpress.com/

Mick that's a really interesting comparison he makes!

Barcelona to Leinster
Spain to Ireland

and how Spain have taken up what Barcelona do and how they play and how Ireland have not.

Very telling.

by Mickado Thu 05 Jul 2012, 11:50 am

I think me makes some very interesting comparisons alright Pete.

by Thomond Thu 05 Jul 2012, 1:34 pm

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, Spain have played decent football long before Barca have. The whole Barcelona jogo bonita style only came with the arrival of Cruyff really. They played good stuff but weren't always incredibly fluid. They certainly weren't in the early 2000s.

It is also a bit Leinster biased as are the comments, do people really think Munster win two HCs playing the way Ireland are? Newsflash, they didn't.

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 05 Jul 2012, 1:50 pm

I agree that Munster were a MUCH better team when they were the HEC champions than Ireland are now. They did everything right back then. However, do you still think Munster could win a HEC playing that way now? I think the game has changed, but I also think Munster have been adapting unlike Ireland. In the 2010/11 season I thought they had the best attacking back three in Europe with Earls, Howlett and Jones.

by Thomond Thu 05 Jul 2012, 1:51 pm

My point is we didn't play that way so no we wouldn't!

by Rory_Gallagher Thu 05 Jul 2012, 1:53 pm

I meant the way Munster played when they won the HEC trophies. Not the way Ireland play! Do you think Munster could still compete at the highest level playing with their old game plan or do you think they have to add more strings to their bow?

by Thomond Thu 05 Jul 2012, 1:58 pm

If you look at the way the played in 2008 then I would say it's possible. Musnter weren't as forward oriented as some like to think. We would have to incorporate our back three a bit more as we have more talent out wide than previously but yes, I think the bones of the game plan in 2008 could be kept. We scored some very good tries in that campaign and if it wasn't for a forward pass, could have had the best try ever scored in a HEC final!

by Triangulation Thu 05 Jul 2012, 2:18 pm

Why so serious? Very Happy

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 05 Jul 2012, 3:13 pm

Imo the comparisons are quite good. Maybe not down to the minute detail but surely as the team that are doing the best in Europe right now with a certain style and certain players, Ireland should copy (not completely but take a leaf from the book of) Leinster. They have some of the same players it is just the attitude and the patterns and obviously the opposition as well that are different.

I wish we played with the pace, angles, support play, offloading and general understanding that Leinster play with.

I think playing exactly like that is a bridge too far but playing like it to an extent is a real goal and one Kidney is nowhere near achieving imo.

by Feckless Rogue Thu 05 Jul 2012, 3:19 pm

Mickado that's exactly what I've been saying for ages. It's an absolute no brainer that Ireland should be a Leinster spine of players and should play like Leinster. It's obvious. And like the blog says, the fact that Kidney has limited time with Ireland only strengthens the argument.

Spain used to be the biggest underachievers in world soccer. And there's another similarity with Irish rugby. People used to say they underachieved because of their regional rivalries and the fact that they didn't all sing the anthem, and the foreigners in their league. Doesn't seem to be a problem at all now though does it?

The tragic thing is that while they've fully used Barcelona's success and reaped huge rewards, we've wasted the best European domestic squad of the pro era and actually gotten progressively worse the longer Kidney/Smal/Kiss stay in charge. And I'd be saying exactly the same thing if any of the other provinces were dominating the way Leinster are.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 05 Jul 2012, 3:24 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:Mickado that's exactly what I've been saying for ages. It's an absolute no brainer that Ireland should be a Leinster spine of players and should play like Leinster. It's obvious. And like the blog says, the fact that Kidney has limited time with Ireland only strengthens the argument.

Spain used to be the biggest underachievers in world soccer. And there's another similarity with Irish rugby. People used to say they underachieved because of their regional rivalries and the fact that they didn't all sing the anthem, and the foreigners in their league. Doesn't seem to be a problem at all now though does it?

The tragic thing is that while they've fully used Barcelona's success and reaped huge rewards, we've wasted the best European domestic squad of the pro era and actually gotten progressively worse the longer Kidney/Smal/Kiss stay in charge. And I'd be saying exactly the same thing if any of the other provinces were dominating the way Leinster are.

+1
Good post clap

by Thomond Thu 05 Jul 2012, 3:32 pm

I believe the regional rivalries is a problem in Irish rugby, as I commented on your man's blog, we Irish are built to play a game akin to Leinster (let's not kid ourselves here though Munster started it first, we schooled Toulouse in France first like Whistle

).

by Triangulation Thu 05 Jul 2012, 3:33 pm

Dont worry about it so much lads!!

You'll win one of you AI games and forget all about it eh!

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 05 Jul 2012, 3:55 pm

I think Thomond just hit the nail on the head, if you look at our boys, do they look like guys to play like S.Africa? No they really don't. In retrospect they are quite small and must rely on speed and creativity.

Our defence is great and our forwards are pretty damn good but we are not going to be able to bludgeon a team the way the Saffas can

by Rava Thu 05 Jul 2012, 4:10 pm

We have beaten South Africa three out of the last four times we have met in Dublin. Typically SA don't have a full strength squad on tour in November so to beat them is obviously great but not ground breaking.
A win again this autumn wouldn't change my mind that we need a new coach in place sooner rather than later.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 05 Jul 2012, 4:39 pm

Snaplle apple

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 05 Jul 2012, 4:40 pm

Just as an aside it is very realistic that we could lose to Argentina in Dublin too if they find a rhythm in the Rugby Championship

by Thomond Thu 05 Jul 2012, 4:43 pm

I disagree on your snapple apple point . I prefer peach. Lemon flavour is nice too

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Thu 05 Jul 2012, 4:47 pm

Thomond wrote:I disagree on your snapple apple point . I prefer peach. Lemon flavour is nice too

Peace Ice Tea on a warm day = ultimate win

by Sin é Fri 06 Jul 2012, 1:47 pm

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:
Leinster put 50 points on two teams two weeks in a row and had an unbeaten record in all competitions between September and March.

WELL able to put in two big games in a row.
Mickado

I am glad you pointed that out the thought of Sin trying to imply losing a final (after winning a final the week before) is a mark that we can't win big games when we got to two finals by playing big match after big match, indeed playing a semi and then a final.

Petey, NZ, Australia, England, Wales & SA all kicked way more than Ireland in the last 3 games they have just played

Our running outhalf isn't doing much running though. (until ROG comes on anyway and he moves to 12).
Sin E

Our running outhalf has been our second best back on this tour and one of the best players in the NH this season. It is not his fault if our attacking patters are poor. The screen is an outdated move and yet Kidney continues to employ it to try and go around defences, difficult to do at the best of times but when coming off the back of slow service it has no chance. You see (well I'm not sure you actually watch rugby) we see Sexton playing beautifully rugby (albeit at a lower level) by using his teammates with dummy runners, offloads, slick interplays, depth and pace. If Ireland did this (at that higher level) we would do FAR better. We don't so we don't do well. Sexton is one of our best players don't make him appear worse just because you're a cretin who has a very limited understanding of rugby and are biased.

I love debating on this forum and I really enjoy discussing things with a number of members, be it pros and cons of selections, transfer news, tactics, talking about backs moves and general backplay is by far in a way my favourite. Now you and I sin have clashed heads many times and I have seen you clash heads with others many times and more. Further to that I have seen other posters (who I would respect) advising others not to engage with you.

Having an opinion and being able to discuss and express it is a wonderful thing but comes with responsibilites. No one wants to deal with a WUM, no one wants an opinion that comes across as unnecessarily biased particularily when it is a constand stream, we all know the examples they are all over these boards.

It was a joy when a poster created a thread away from the thread you had corrupted and while this is by no means the worst I've seen you in my time here and on 606v1, I guess this is the straw that broke the camels back.

So, with that in mind I will do as those posters I referred to earlier advised, I won't engage with you. I know seems pretty pathetic doesn't it and I doubt you will care whether I engage with you or not. I hope this trend will kick off though as I do believe you ruin threads and you corrupt good debate so I hope others decide to ignore you too and deny you the kicks you have been getting over the course of the years.

Hopefully if others do the same you may re-invent yourself and give your views without all the nasty stuff in there too. I've no idea what sort of person you are but the pseudo of Sin E is not one I have enjoyed interacting with and wish I'd stopped responding to months ago.

I urge others to consider doing the same and make your own judgements.

Wayne Smith did a blog around 6Ns time rating the NH 10s. He put Trinh-Duc No. 1 & Priestland No. 2 - and no, he wasn't basing it on just internationals. He talked about Trinh-Duc setting up some tries for Montpellier before the 6 nations. He was critical of Sexton for not hitting the line more.

As for the rest of your post - I suppose it says more about you than me that when you were found out to be completely wrong about Denis Leamy's disciplinary record you refused to correct your completely biased and wrong statement.

And now you try to convince yourself that I'm some hateful person who just posts here to annoy you. My god, you've some ego.

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