The SH teams don’t respect Wales 100% blah blah blah….

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The SH teams don’t respect Wales 100% blah blah blah….

What is 1/2p on about? it has nothing to do with not respecting Wales, it’s just a case of they know they can win in a game of rugby because they believe in their own ability more than the Welsh boys do.

Once again all we hear is talk talk talk from the Welsh camp, concentrate on winning a game boys, you have the ability to do it so for the love of god show us.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/18561963

Triangulation wrote:

biltongbek wrote:Tri, that is not acceptable mate, you are generalising and being derogatory to all Welsh people.

Sorry then to all welsh people. I was only joking.

Yeah show some respect Tri

optimist wrote:This is a fans' forum, so HERSH has every right to sit at home, compose a comment and post it.

HERSH may be cleverer than Halfpenny at making comments.

But Halfpenny's a player, good enough to kick 15 out of 16 goals in a 3 match international series, including one 40-yarder after landing on his head from a height.

If Halfpenny hasn't quite got the HERSH magic when making a comment, I know he can play rugby a helluva lot better! As a fan, that's what's really important to me!

It is NOT just halfpenny it is howley and i am told halfpenny again and lydiate. Gatland was at it with the last B&I Lions too shouting at the players in the sheds about respect.

It may not be the entire welsh nation (and i have been admonished) but it does seem to be endemic in the welsh national rugby set up.

I think they should say " we dont give a feck about what they think of us - were going to beat them regardless"

No?

You name me a proffesional sportsman who hasn't mentioned respect in his career!

I'm stunned anyones bothering to comment on this thread, but Tri and peter your letting yourselves down a bit now.

Hapless Freegan wrote:If you felt - knew - that you were the equal of someone, you wouldn't worry about something as trivial as whether or not they respected you.

So with a 3-0 test series defeat, it rather confirms that we are not their equal and hence can worry about them not respecting us?

1/2p vindicated?

Gatlands usually too busy talking about how much mentally stronger his side is now to worry about respect.

It is getting a bit boring to be honest. Warbs says the respect gag, Edwards says it, Gatland says it... I just wish they would stop interviews for a while and concentrate on the rugby. After you beat a tri-nation (or get a 14-14 draw with them) then and only then can you talk the talk.

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

Hapless Freegan wrote:If you felt - knew - that you were the equal of someone, you wouldn't worry about something as trivial as whether or not they respected you.

So with a 3-0 test series defeat, it rather confirms that we are not their equal and hence can worry about them not respecting us?

1/2p vindicated?

My point is that this 'respect' talk suggests that the Welsh players genuinely don't see themselves as capable / deserving of beating the Big Three.

Well said Morgs, Im sure youll give the English the same respect accorded to your lot currently when they beat you in Cardiff

thebluesmancometh wrote:You name me a proffesional sportsman who hasn't mentioned respect in his career!

I'm stunned anyones bothering to comment on this thread, but Tri and peter your letting yourselves down a bit now.

You have commented on it in an attempt to pour cold water on it. Why? How are we "letting ourselves down" for goodness sakes? A bit condescending dont you think?!

There has been a clear trend which has been identified and that is it really.

There is a clear suspicion with Wales that there is something that is psycologically not quite right when it comes to beating SH oppposition.

That is a backhanded compliment by the way. i.e how can a side who on paper is so strong and who we have seen perform from time to time NOT win? Leads naturally to the conclusion of mental weakness or at least askign the question!

The identified trend above chimes in a bit with the suspicion hence the interest.

If you think that is "stunning" that is a matter for you.

The trend you are talking about IS COMMON IN ALL SPORT! Respect is a massive issue, Ive seen Englands rugby/football teams talking about it, Wales football/rugby teams talking about it, tennis, golf, rowing, skiing blah blah blah.

Why pick out a random 1/2p article to refer to the Welsh people as mental?

'There is a clear suspicion with Wales that there is something that is psycologically not quite right when it comes to beating SH oppposition'

That ^^^ is the truest words youve ever spoken, I have written an article about it, it drives me nuts. Aus were not good, I beleive England would've taken them apart, I beleive England would've taken that Wales performance apart, but when we play England next 6N I will put my mortgage on a welsh win if both teams feild the same players.

Hapless Freegan wrote:

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:

Hapless Freegan wrote:If you felt - knew - that you were the equal of someone, you wouldn't worry about something as trivial as whether or not they respected you.

So with a 3-0 test series defeat, it rather confirms that we are not their equal and hence can worry about them not respecting us?

1/2p vindicated?

My point is that this 'respect' talk suggests that the Welsh players genuinely don't see themselves as capable / deserving of beating the Big Three.

I know mate.

The way I see it is that prior to the tour we were going out there to earn respect, prove that we are their equal/better. We come back with nothing, and obviously without having earned that respect.

Why people are chastised for saying it is beyond me!

thebluesmancometh wrote:The trend you are talking about IS COMMON IN ALL SPORT! Respect is a massive issue, Ive seen Englands rugby/football teams talking about it, Wales football/rugby teams talking about it, tennis, golf, rowing, skiing blah blah blah.

Why pick out a random 1/2p article to refer to the Welsh people as mental?

'There is a clear suspicion with Wales that there is something that is psycologically not quite right when it comes to beating SH oppposition'

That ^^^ is the truest words youve ever spoken, I have written an article about it, it drives me nuts. Aus were not good, I beleive England would've taken them apart, I beleive England would've taken that Wales performance apart, but when we play England next 6N I will put my mortgage on a welsh win if both teams feild the same players.

Respect is probably overused generally as is the word "passion". Everyone is passionate about everything these days its ridiculous.

In answer to your question why pick out a random 1/2p article...

Because

1. it is not just a one off Halfpenny comment at all;
and 2. because it chimes in with the "suspicion"

I have been admonished and have aplogised for going too far. Again I am sorry.

My interest in Wales is not as a wum now it is as a B&I Lions supporter for an upcoming tour to the same opponents you have just faced. I thought you would win the series 2-1.

Tri

Don't get me wrong, I actually quite like the odd WUM and/or insult, it adds a bit to the banter.

The focus on 1/2p's comments are odd, I could probably troll the net and find 10 'respect' comments from England players over the last 10 years.

Your point on the B and I lions is very valid though, the welsh boys are mentally underdogs, If I said it once I'll say it a thousand times, This Wales team are better than the Aus team they just played, as they are the rest of the NH at present, yet I put my backing on Aus for 3 of 3 unless the welsh came out in the first test and brushed them aside.

If I was picking a lions team right now to play a warm up test it would be plowed with Welshmen, yet to travel down under, I'd probably have to consider players who have performed there and won there.

For example Warbs is prob just about starting 7, but Rennie would be my pick!

thebluesmancometh wrote:The focus on 1/2p's comments are odd, I could probably troll the net and find 10 'respect' comments from England players over the last 10 years.

10 quotes over ten years isn't quite the same as four quotes in the space of four weeks or so.

Media training has given him a trend, he's probably done 25 interveiws over the last few weeks, and been asked the same questions over and over, is it really a surprise that he's realing off the same answers?

But Wales had three games to win, they didn't, move on, it's not about respect it's the fact that Wales aren't as good as they think they are.

They had a chance and they blew it.

end of.

In any case, I don't believe you would be able to find too many quotations from English players banging on about 'respect'. It could be that, because they've beaten these sides much more recently than we have - both at home and away - that they aren't as concerned with what their opponents think of them.

HERSH wrote:it's not about respect it's the fact that Wales aren't as good as they think they are.

No Hersh, it's more revealing than that: it's the fact that Wales don't think they're as good as they say they think they are. If that makes sense.

Hapless Freegan wrote:

HERSH wrote:it's not about respect it's the fact that Wales aren't as good as they think they are.

No Hersh, it's more revealing than that: it's the fact that Wales don't think they're as good as they say they think they are. If that makes sense.

Deep down in places that they not talk about at dinner parties : they dont truly believe what they say.

They lack belief.

I cant handle the truth.

Your goddamned right i cant.

Hapless Freegan wrote:

HERSH wrote:it's not about respect it's the fact that Wales aren't as good as they think they are.

No Hersh, it's more revealing than that: it's the fact that Wales don't think they're as good as they say they think they are. If that makes sense.

It does make sense.
A win against Australia would have done them a world of good.
They're beyond "believe" (we/they think...maybe 1% is missing) but still agonisingly unlucky to be short of "do". If that makes sense?

The focus on 1/2p's comments are odd, I could probably troll the net and find 10 'respect' comments from England players over the last 10 years.

I challenge you, nay i double challenge you to come up with anything remotely resembling what has been coming out of the welsh camp media training or not.

You're underestimating the extent to which i do take note of these things from my own team.

I have no memory of being infuriated by pointless ramblings from England about respect hence i am very confident that it has not happened.

We have had other nonsensical mutterings of course most infamously from Borthwick praising our performance v Italy one 6Ns.. But i digress.

GO on! find us the spate of respect quotes.

On all other matters were agreed.

Do, or Do not.

There is no try.

South Africa will 'have more respect' for England after pushing them in opening Test, claims Dylan Hartley
(from here)

But don't worry, we'll still respect you in the morning

HERSH wrote:Do, or Do not.

There is no try.

(but green)

Kiwireddevil wrote:

South Africa will 'have more respect' for England after pushing them in opening Test, claims Dylan Hartley
(from here)

But don't worry, we'll still respect you in the morning

Kiwi you have no idea how apt your "we'll still respect you in the morning" comment is if you translate that headline into Afrikaans and understood the meaning of it.

Unfortunately this is parental guidance and for family viewing.

So 'pushing' is something you should only do once you're married?

Hapless Freegan wrote:So 'pushing' is something you should only do once you're married?

"Mutual respect forms the basis of our sport. We hold in high esteem our sport, its values and traditions and earn the respect of others in the way we behave. We respect our match officials and accept our decisions. We respect opposition players and supporters. We value our coaches and those who run our clubs and treat clubhouses with consideration."

http://www.rfu.com/thegame/corevalues

not sure if that helps the protagonists or antagonists!

Red_Dragon_Spirit wrote:" We respect our match officials and accept our decisions. We respect opposition players and supporters. We value our coaches and those who run our clubs and treat clubhouses with consideration."

Maybe the WRU should adopt this policy too. Stop whinging about refs (how dare they yellow davies for that "clearout"!), show due courtesy and respect to their "big brother" fans, and stop moaning about Howley. Oh and curtail those Ospreys parties too.

Having said that if they behaved in such a gentlemanly fashion then the Aussies would lose any ounce of respect they ever had for them,.

is anyone else thinking of the Tom Cruse character in magnolia

Respect the bok, tame the erm, punt..?

PSW, Like I said "not sure if that helps the protagonists or antagonists! "

Something we can all take on board? nah, no fun in that!

Im back from a three day ban my third ban since i have been a member and much to my surprise Hersh is still writing six articles a day to incite bickering and he isn't banned!

Recidivist.

viewtothegym wrote:Im back from a three day ban my third ban since i have been a member and much to my surprise Hersh is still writing six articles a day to incite bickering and he isn't banned!

Welcome back view, perhaps you should pay closer attention to how he posts

The OP is right of course, had we managed a draw in one of the tests we could have deluded ourselves that the tour was a success and we had gained some respect.

You can talk the talk,BUT you have to walk the walk too,NO SH side takes ANY side lightly.IF they do they may get rebuffed as Australia found out versus Scotland.Wales have only ever beaten south Africa once anywhere,only France have beaten NZ more than once in NZ.Wales have a very respectable home record in recent years with 3 grand Slams in the last 7.To run Australia to 3 losses by within one score away is a respectable result.Australia may have had key players missing but are always competetive,3Ns champs and currently World Number 2 side.Winning there was never going to be easy.

Losing is not respectable.
Constant losing will garner disrespect.
Constant losing whilst making the same errors and talking yourself up deserves derision.
Constant losing while making the same errors and talking yourself up against a side you haven't beaten for years is, frankly, stupid and deserves contempt.
Respect? its not even an issue, why on earth would Australia respect Wales, they just lost 3 on the bounce.
England respect Wales now, because we beat them regularly and that is why some 606 posters feel the need to bait Welsh fans.

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Tune!

I appreciate this isnt what 1/2 penny was on about.

But are 'we' talkin about 'respect' or 'admiration' on this thread? Obviously they're very different. To beat a team, you must respect them, or else (eh oz, remember Scotland?). If respect is measured in terms of admiration for a style of play or innovation (which it isn't, just saying), then the SH probably don't respect them as there's nothing I can think of that wales do that stands out as exceptional or worth emulating as far as SH go.

But wales are certainly good enough to run oz close in three games, so SH would be foolish not to 'respect' them. Bet the ABs respect them, as they do most teams most times (except Ireland in G2).

Tay, tay, tay, tay....tay, tay...tay, tay, tay....taaaayyy..taaaaayyyy

Reading between the lines. I'm guessing he's saying the SH don't respect Wales as being up at the top table with them. I think he's right. I think the coaches and teams respect Wales as a potential threat. But I don't think the wider rugby public down here put them in the same box as NZ, SA and Australia. To put it another way a series loss, or even a loss to Wales (given the mid week loss by Australia B to Scotland), could have resulted in Dean's dismissal. I'm not sure the reverse is true. The same is true of SA and NZ. Their recent draw and narrow wins were seen by the larger rugby community in the countries as failures.

IMO the earlier posters are right only consistent victories will change this. It's great that 1/2 penny thinks this could happen this Autumn.

Is some classic transferrence issue.

1/2p saying "I don't respect myself because we can't beating the SH teams regular" or perhaps some ego part saying "I worry that Welsh fans don't respecting us because we not get the win in Australia".

But he makes it "SH teams" because is the source of his anxious. I don't think HERSH subtle imply that 1/2p is criticise the SH teams in some way is real. You have to being very thin skin person to making that connection! But then seems a lot of posters on 606v2 very thin skin!

emack2 wrote:Australia may have had key players missing but are always competetive,3Ns champs and currently World Number 2 side.Winning there was never going to be easy.

Exactly right - but some Welsh fans and pundits, if not the players themselves, seemed to think otherwise. If any disrespect was shown, it wasn't the Australians who were showing it.

Hapless Freegan wrote:

emack2 wrote:Australia may have had key players missing but are always competetive,3Ns champs and currently World Number 2 side.Winning there was never going to be easy.

Exactly right - but some Welsh fans and pundits, if not the players themselves, seemed to think otherwise. If any disrespect was shown, it wasn't the Australians who were showing it.

Yes I agree. Look at this from WesternMail:

"Australia v Wales match preview: Welsh stars on brink of history"

"HAVING already matched the achievements of JPR, Gerald, Gareth, Barry and Merv ..." it start off!

Wales media said loss to Scotland by Wallabies was "accident waiting to happen " and rated Wales "significantly tougher opposition", by contrast "Wales’ preparation has been pretty spot on" due to an "undoubtably vindicated" decider to send 16 players to Australia a week ahead of the schedule! (contrast with post first test loss excuse they were "rusty" - not sure what vindicated the decider before match!!!! )

Not only were the Wales media predict the win this time, but predicted it would be the ongoing result "they will travel out here in similar fine fettle in years to come."

Yes, they were not show much respect "Wales have the men to do damage, up front and behind" and apparently had "real ball-carrying clout among the forwards"

They round it off with "Everything bodes well and history beckons once again for this special group of players."

Once again? what was the first time?

The Western Mail really is cringe-making.

anotherworldofpain wrote:
Yes I agree. Look at this from WesternMail:

Wales media said loss to Scotland by Wallabies was "accident waiting to happen "

Sounds like Scotland need to beat Australia more than twice in a row to get respect from the Welsh media

I like how they are also still blaming the loss in the 70's on a dodgy field goal. Its reading cr@p like this that makes you realise why there is a faction of fans who live in an alternative reality.

Hapless Freegan wrote:The Western Mail really is cringe-making.

Agreed. The Western Mail hasn't had a decent rugby rugby column since the days of J B G Thomas and John Billot, both sadly no longer with us.

"Yet they still would have won were it not for..."

I'm wonder if this phrase is represent by one word in Welsh since they using the expression so regular!

optimist wrote:

Hapless Freegan wrote:The Western Mail really is cringe-making.

Agreed. The Western Mail hasn't had a decent rugby rugby column since the days of J B G Thomas and John Billot, both sadly no longer with us.

The worst thing about the Western Mail is thas it declares itself to be the 'national newspaper of Wales'. People outside Wales might actually believe it.

I first played rugby in the Welsh Valleys in the mid-1950s, have supported Wales ever since, and entirely agree that some Welsh fans and media correspondents/presenters have given us a reputation for complaining, often combined with unrealistic views of the national team's ability.

But in nearly 60 years of following such things, I feel compelled to say that they are by no means confined to the Welsh. Maybe the alliterative appeal to English ears of phrases like "Welsh whingers" and Welsh windbags" is just too great!