Wimbledon Day 3, or 2b

by bogbrush Tue 26 Jun 2012, 9:14 pm

First topic message reminder :

(or not 2b, I guess that is the question....)

Well there (again) matches held over so it is in a way. At least it's not Day 1c.

Anyway HRH TMF is in the Palace, playing against the nefarious Fognini so all is right with the World. Should be fun, I hope.

Djokovic may have some early pressure from Harrison but we're still firmly in pushover round territory which lasts until the quarters at earliest these days, regrettably).

Some women are also playing, I think.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:32 pm

Another seed bites the dust as Stan Wawrinka is knocked out in five sets by Jurgen Melzer.

by Jahu Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:35 pm

Yep, Melzer the guy who can ruin anyone's day.

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:43 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Dare I speculate how Andy would be handling it?

Well I seen him holding it so that qualifies in people's eyes as a drama queen, Non?
Oh yeah, he's been really playing it up.

Well yes. After all holding an injured part of the body does seem to qualify you as a drama queen in this day and age. So be it.

Touching it once, or wincing around it after every loser? These are the same now?

As I've said before, Andy will never, ever walk alone will he?

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:44 pm

On a more important subject, wtf does Michael Russell think he looks like?

by Josiah Maiestas Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:45 pm

Has Wawrinka ever won a 5 set match? Lost in 5 to Murray on grass, lost to Tsonga on clay in 5 now to Melzer. Showing once more that Federer was the only reason Switzerland won the Olympic doubles in Beijing.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:46 pm

I just do not snide remarks that is all bogbrush but you like resorting to them to have sly digs at other players. Pretty sad really. My only crime - defending a player.

by luciusmann Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:47 pm

laverfan wrote: Such easy matches are bad for Federer. He needs to be battle-ready. A false sense of security is useless at a slam.

I thought that @ the French Open: tough matches would help prepare Fed for the latter stages but in fact, it didn't in his semi with Djokovic. However, in the French Open, there's precedent that tough matches early on help Fed. There isn't one for Fed @ Wimbledon.

Fed sailing through in the early matches bodes well for his chances @ Wimbledon, it doesn't create a false sense of security because Fed has often got to the final without dropping a set, that's how good he's been @ Wimbledon. It's only two matches in, so very early, however, I've liked what I seen. Only losing serve once and such lopsided sets early on is good. This confirms my view that Fed stands an excellent opportunity to reach the semis.

by sirfredperry Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:53 pm

Difficult to know whether it's good to 1. Sail through or 2. Get battle hardened. Certainly two quick wins boosts confidence and saves energy. Fed never looked happy with his hitting at the French but appears to be striking the ball well and moving well, although I've only seen glimpses of his matches so far.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:56 pm

I think we'll get a better idea what shape/form he is in when he gets a real challenge. You can only beat who you have in front of you though and he has done that with the minimum fuss.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:57 pm

Tipsarevic squares his match up at one set all against Ryan Sweeting.

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 2:58 pm

Gulbis declining to blow it against a journeyman. 6-2 1st set.

by sirfredperry Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:03 pm

Yeah but he's a break down in the second set. Prepare for the usual meltdown. I can't believe he beat Berdbrain.

by luciusmann Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:03 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:I think we'll get a better idea what shape/form he is in when he gets a real challenge. You can only beat who you have in front of you though and he has done that with the minimum fuss.

I'd probably agree with that assessment. The question is, where will that challenge come from until next Friday, a few days from the final itself? Simon? Perhaps but he hasn't recorded a win over Fed since 2008. Tipsarevic? Highly unlikely: didn't he lose to Fed during the clay court season? Simply put, the threat comes from Djokovic but that's the semi and semis usually are tricky, especially with Djokovic, the World No.1.

by luciusmann Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:05 pm

bogbrush wrote:Gulbis declining to blow it against a journeyman. 6-2 1st set.

That's a shame, he showed promise in that Berdych match. I wondered whether he could keep it up, we have some sort of answer now.

by Josiah Maiestas Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:07 pm

bogbrush you're wrong Gulbis won the set 6-2 according to flashscore.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:08 pm

luciusmann wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Gulbis declining to blow it against a journeyman. 6-2 1st set.

That's a shame, he showed promise in that Berdych match. I wondered whether he could keep it up, we have some sort of answer now.

I think you misunderstood - Gulbis won the first set 6-2 although he is a break down in the second set against the Pole Janowicz.

by Jahu Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:08 pm

Go Paszek Go.

by luciusmann Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:12 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote: I think you misunderstood - Gulbis won the first set 6-2 although he is a break down in the second set against the Pole Janowicz.

Oh okay, not such a bad result so far!

I tried looking for the match on the Wimbledon app couldn't find it. Thanks for the correction, I was overly pessimistic too soon!

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:26 pm

No, I think you ALL misunderstood.

I said Gulbis was DECLINING to blow it. That is, winning.

That said, he's a break down.

by Josiah Maiestas Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:30 pm

Sorry boggy. I thought I read "deciding", thats an unforced error I made. I read that sentence 3 times and still got it wrong. Whistle

by banbrotam Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:32 pm

bogbrush wrote:Dare I speculate how Andy would be handling it?

Quite well. I mean how many times does Murray call the trainer in a year?

I actually think given all of his niggles he should call one every other match Wink

by **laverfan** Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:50 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:Has Wawrinka ever won a 5 set match? Lost in 5 to Murray on grass, lost to Tsonga on clay in 5 now to Melzer. Showing once more that Federer was the only reason Switzerland won the Olympic doubles in Beijing.

W/L 18/11 (62%)

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5029040&postcount=297

Compared to Federer...

W/L 19/16 (54%)

Is Federer the only player to have ever hold a Tennis racquet? Laugh

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=4895968&postcount=201

Wawrinka helped push SUI into the WG. Remember this...

http://www.daviscup.com/en/results/tie/details.aspx?tieId=100016235

by Josiah Maiestas Wed 27 Jun 2012, 3:58 pm

LF look at who Stan has played in those 5 setters though;

Rajeev Ram
Ivo Karlovic
Ruben Ramirez-Hidalgo
Evgeny Korolev
Vladimir Voltchkov
Flavio Cipolla
Nicolas Devilder
Sam Querrey
Donald Young
Mikhail Kukushkin

How can you possibly be losing to these players in 5 sets? Shocked

by **laverfan** Wed 27 Jun 2012, 4:22 pm

Josiah Maiestas wrote:LF look at who Stan has played in those 5 setters though;

Rajeev Ram
Ivo Karlovic
Ruben Ramirez-Hidalgo
Evgeny Korolev
Vladimir Voltchkov
Flavio Cipolla
Nicolas Devilder
Sam Querrey
Donald Young
Mikhail Kukushkin

How can you possibly be losing to these players in 5 sets?

... and you conveniently ignore...

2012 RG R32: Stanislas Wawrinka d. Gilles Simon (7-5, 6-7, 6-7, 6-3, 6-2)
2011 Davic Cup: Stanislas Wawrinka d. Lleyton Hewitt (4-6, 6-4, 6-7, 6-4, 6-3)
2011 French Open R32: Stanislas Wawrinka d. JW Tsonga (4-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-2, 6-3)
2010 DC WGPO R1: Stanislas Wawrinka d. Nicolas Almagro (3-6, 6-4, 3-6, 7-5, 6-3)
2006 US Open R64: Stanislas Wawrinka d. Robin Soderling (6-7, 2-6, 7-6, 6-0, 6-1)
2005 US Open R128: Stanislas Wawrinka d. Mariano Puerta (2-6, 6-4, 7-6, 6-7, 7-5)
2005 Roland Garros R64: Stanislas Wawrinka d. James Blake (6-7, 5-7, 6-1, 6-3, 6-4)

by lydian Wed 27 Jun 2012, 4:24 pm

Yes I dont put Stan down as a choker...some matches you win, some you lose, he's not a 'top top' player after all where you would expect >60-70% 5 set wins. The biggest glaring gap there is actually his swiss team mate.

by Josiah Maiestas Wed 27 Jun 2012, 4:38 pm

Wimbledon might aswell build a permanent super roof that stretches all through every court, every year the same long boring delays.

by **laverfan** Wed 27 Jun 2012, 5:04 pm

lydian wrote:Yes I dont put Stan down as a choker...some matches you win, some you lose, he's not a 'top top' player after all where you would expect >60-70% 5 set wins. The biggest glaring gap there is actually his swiss team mate.

At least you did not say 'team mate(s)'. Wink

by lydian Wed 27 Jun 2012, 5:05 pm

lol LF....it is a small Swiss team after all.

Still, Fed looking in fine fettle, not likely to need 5 setters at this rate.

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 5:18 pm

Every time I saw that slip I winced. It all looked good, and Fed said it didn't hurt, but hopefully not stiff tomorrow.

That's the sort of thing that can have you on crutches, opening out the knee like that.

by socal1976 Wed 27 Jun 2012, 5:53 pm

I didn't know who I wanted to lose more today Roger or Fogninniinniiiiiiiiniii!!!!!

by socal1976 Wed 27 Jun 2012, 5:54 pm

Seriously what the hell is up with your weather why does it rain every fricking day in the middle of June?

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:10 pm

socal1976 wrote:Seriously what the hell is up with your weather why does it rain every fricking day in the middle of June?

At least we have a roof in place on our show court. Wink

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:13 pm

Don't they in Iran?

by lydian Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:34 pm

When it comes to rain, Britain is in GOAT territory.

One of the reasons we struggle for tennis champions socal...rains outdoors alot, lack of indoor facilities. At least Murray had the sense to move to Barcelona to get a decent days play in.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:35 pm

Karlovic finally wins 6-4 6-4 7-6 against Dudi Sela to set up a Second Round match against Andy Murray.

by **laverfan** Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:42 pm

bogbrush wrote:Don't they in Iran?

Gently, BB. SoCal lives in Southern California, USA. Wink

by socal1976 Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:53 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
socal1976 wrote:Seriously what the hell is up with your weather why does it rain every fricking day in the middle of June?

At least we have a roof in place on our show court.

I live in southern california craig my home tournament is indian wells and not too much of a rain problem out in the Palm Dessert area in early spring. Don't get me started on the new yorker and the USO and its many problems.

by socal1976 Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:54 pm

Seriously no wonder your little Island has invented so much good booze only really 3 things you can do in terrible weather that you people have. One of them is eating, and the other is getting drunk.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:57 pm

socal1976 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
socal1976 wrote:Seriously what the hell is up with your weather why does it rain every fricking day in the middle of June?

At least we have a roof in place on our show court.

I live in southern california craig my home tournament is indian wells and not too much of a rain problem out in the Palm Dessert area in early spring. Don't get me started on the new yorker and the USO and its many problems.

That was what I was getting at. It is great that Centre Court has a roof though. Weather in the UK is always hit and miss though. I mean in recent years it has been generally very good.

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:59 pm

It's an exaggerated problem. How often does the event fail to complete on time?

Obviously if you live in a desert you'll think it's wet here but in reality Britain has a very moderate climate.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 6:59 pm

Tipsarevic now in firm control of his match against Ryan Sweeting and a couple of games away from wrapping up the game.

by socal1976 Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:01 pm

I don't know my friend Craig, you have to come out here for 2 weeks of your winter or fall to see what good weather is. Today no humidity, sunny, and warm not hot. And guess what that was what the previous 3 months and next few months will be like. Plus since I live close to the water I don't get the smog of the inland cities.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:04 pm

People do moan about the British climate but I think it is very good. We get a fair mix of weather but never really the extremes. We can get hot weather but I prefer cooler conditions myself. Winter weather when we get snow we never really get it in the amounts seen in North America for example so a nice balanced climate in my opinion.

by banbrotam Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:09 pm

bogbrush wrote:It's an exaggerated problem. How often does the event fail to complete on time?

Obviously if you live in a desert you'll think it's wet here but in reality Britain has a very moderate climate.

BB. As a bit of an amateur weather forecaster myself and keen climate observer, that is the most true statement I've ever heard you make Smile

We do fuss about the weather. I mean up here in the Yorkshire wilds (well Halifax Rolling Eyes

) it's a glorious evening

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:12 pm

Some great rallies being played in the Roddick V Baker match. Baker will probably end up losing the match but he is playing some pretty darn good tennis considering the gulf between the two players.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:26 pm

Jamie Baker loses his First Round match against Andy Roddick 6-7 4-6 5-7. Played some great stuff and deserved at least a set I thought. At least he can hold hi head high.

by User 774433 Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:34 pm

socal1976 wrote:Seriously no wonder your little Island has invented so much good booze only really 3 things you can do in terrible weather that you people have. One of them is eating, and the other is getting drunk.

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:44 pm

Gulbis doing it again.

About to go to a 5th set.

by Guest Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:45 pm

Djokovic ragging on Maria. Tutt tutt

by bogbrush Wed 27 Jun 2012, 7:46 pm

legendkillarV2 wrote:Djokovic ragging on Maria. Tutt tutt

What?

(I'm watching the football)

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