Best Team in Europe is a Riddle

by anotherworldofpain Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:28 pm

So WAL sweep the 6N convincingly and take the grandslam even with more away than home games against the traditional top contenders.

Due to foible of the IRB Ranking they were rank behind ENG still at the end of this.

They briefly go to 4th after they lose less to AUS than ENG lose to SA.

Then next week ENG draw in SA against weakened SA team and FRA pick up the big win too.

Suddenly WAL now rank 6 behind ENG and FRA but my own feeling is if you have to play one other 6N team and want the win you don't pick to face WAL!

What is the answer to the riddle? Who has the "bragging right" as BEST TEAM OF EUROPE?

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:43 pm

leinster

by LordDowlais Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:11 pm

Who are WAL ?

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:13 pm

The SH has the Wallabies. The NH has one fewer syllable in the middle. Whistle

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:15 pm

Scotland - only team to beat a 'SH Superpower' and also the only team to make a clean sweep of the Summer Tours.

So I guess that leaves England playing catch up with the Celts still.

by fa0019 Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:23 pm

Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:26 pm

fa0019 wrote:Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

I guess that would make it SA as they also have the JWC champs.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:28 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

I guess that would make it SA as they also have the JWC champs.

England came away with a creditable drawn series then (last game wins rule)

by **Biltong** Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:31 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

I guess that would make it SA as they also have the JWC champs.

England came away with a creditable drawn series then (last game wins rule)

So England and SA it is then. thumbsup

by fa0019 Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm

In terms of last win rule Scotland are the best team in the world!!!! In terms of their last match ups....

Scotland beat AUS
AUS beat SA
SA beat NZ
NZ beat WAL
WAL beat ENG
ENG beat IRE
IRE drew FRA

Smile

by ScarletSpiderman Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:33 pm

fa0019 wrote:In terms of last win rule Scotland are the best team in the world!!!! In terms of their last match ups....

Scotland beat AUS
AUS beat SA
SA beat NZ
NZ beat WAL
WAL beat ENG
ENG beat IRE
IRE drew FRA

Bet Samoa are kicking themselves they conceded that try now (well even more!)

by fa0019 Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:35 pm

In fact I'm wrong.... we lost to ITALY.

All hail the Azzurri.... hand over the crown McCaw!!!!

by **LondonTiger** Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 pm

But:

Italy Lost to Argentina
Who lost to France
Who lost to Wales
Who lost to Australia
Who lost to Scotland
who lost to Italy.
Who lost to....bugger.

by anotherworldofpain Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:01 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

I guess that would make it SA as they also have the JWC champs.

But they drew with ENG who lost 6N to WAL.

by anotherworldofpain Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:02 pm

fa0019 wrote:Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

Start your own thread and not divert mine!

by Feckless Rogue Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:03 pm

My own feeling is that France have the most talented squad.
Wales and England are better coached, and there's not much between them.

by whocares Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:06 pm

Feckless Rogue wrote:My own feeling is that France have the most talented squad.
Wales and England are better coached, and there's not much between them.

so where do you put Ireland in there?

by fa0019 Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:08 pm

anotherworldofpain

The answer was relative to your own thread.... its applying your logic to other spheres of rugby and trying to come up with another definitive answer.

The stalemate proves the logic is not sound.. hence the joking around.

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:15 pm

Sorry fa0019 but your logic is not sound.

NZ RWC champs and IRB number one ranked team in the world. The 3N is so passé and the Super XV this year is not over. Chiefs vs Crusaders final. Whistle

Wales 6 N Grand Slam champs and on their day capable of beating any team in the NH and the eastern hemisphere of the SH.

by **Biltong** Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:24 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Sorry fa0019 but your logic is not sound.

NZ RWC champs and IRB number one ranked team in the world. The 3N is so passé and the Super XV this year is not over. Chiefs vs Crusaders final.

Wales 6 N Grand Slam champs and on their day capable of beating any team in the NH and the eastern hemisphere of the SH.

Best Team in Europe is a Riddle Smiley-laughing021

by fa0019 Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:26 pm

kiakahaaotearoa

That was my point dude.... no one is saying that NZ aren't the No1 side in the world... but by using the logic from the original post its rather simple to argue a similar case in the SH. The example was used to suggest that the logic was not sound as its quite clear NZ are way out ahead.

PS - Chiefs vs. Crusaders... in your dreams dude. Chiefs will fall by the wayside and will finish 2nd in the log.

Stormers vs. Bulls and that match is only going to end one way... Maisiekind in the A&E with a broken fingernail.

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:31 pm

I know mate, I just get a kick out of writing it. That is to say, number one ranking and RWC champs. Very Happy

You heard it first. Chiefs vs Crusaders. Cruden to weave his magic against Morné Steyn and Carter against Lambie. Psychological frailties get taken into the 4N and SA lose all their games against NZ. I've just come back from a road trip in a DeLorian. You know I speak the truth...

by fa0019 Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:34 pm

Your road trip was to a parallel universe right where everything is the opposite way around???

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:40 pm

To a paradise where truth, honour and justice prevail. Much like this one. Very Happy

by HERSH Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:41 pm

The stats don't lie

England are the best NH team, but if I had to pick a NH team to beat the best (NZ) it would be France.

by fa0019 Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:42 pm

Kia... So you came to South Africa then???

Not sure if I want to laugh or cry at my attempt at the above joke.

by kiakahaaotearoa Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:45 pm

Laughing is the better option mate. Save those tears for the 4N. Hug

by **Biltong** Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:48 pm

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Laughing is the better option mate. Save those tears for the 4N.

Best Team in Europe is a Riddle Roflbl10

Best Team in Europe is a Riddle Cheers10

by Feckless Rogue Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:53 pm

whocares wrote:
Feckless Rogue wrote:My own feeling is that France have the most talented squad.
Wales and England are better coached, and there's not much between them.

so where do you put Ireland in there?

They just lost 60-0 to New Zealand, so I'd rather not talk about them.

by Brendan Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:00 pm

as the stats show
#1 NZ
#2 Aus/Eng/Fra/SA/Wal
#7 Arg/Ire/Scot
#10 Italy/Sam

As shown in the WC and 6N and Sum Tests that the teams at #2 are much of a muchness

What is wales biggest win and biggest loss in the last 3 meetings to Eng and Fra and the same can be said for any of the three.

Sadly us and Scotland are a little bit away if we are honest but when has that got in the way of our dreams

by LordDowlais Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:32 pm

anotherworldofpain wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

I guess that would make it SA as they also have the JWC champs.

But they drew with ENG who lost 6N to WAL.

Right, enough is enough, AWOP you have been here long enough to know it's WALES not WAL

Secondly, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt after our last tussle, but I can see through your subtle wummery and again you are trying to cause an England V Wales argument, please do not insult us on this forum anymore, you have been a member of this family for quite a while now but still your grammar is not improving, I ask myself why is this ? The amount of article and reply's you have put on this forum, by know you should be up to speed. Just to answer your article though, Wales are the six nations champs, but they are at about the same level as England, France and Ireland hence the close scores between the nations last time we played them. Ale

by englandglory4ever Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:49 pm

Oh dear another welshman finding England at 4th a bitter pill to swallow. Wales squeak past a callow England with a novice coach in the 6Ns and think they are world beaters. Aus put them back in their box 3 times in as many weeks. They still don't get it though do they.

by anotherworldofpain Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:56 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
anotherworldofpain wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Who is the best team in the SH???

NZ are the RWC champs
AUS are the 3N champs
and SA have the best SR teams in this years competition.

I guess that would make it SA as they also have the JWC champs.

But they drew with ENG who lost 6N to WAL.

Right, enough is enough, AWOP you have been here long enough to know it's WALES not WAL Secondly, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt after our last tussle, but I can see through your subtle wummery and again you are trying to cause an England V Wales argument, please do not insult us on this forum anymore, you have been a member of this family for quite a while now but still your grammar is not improving, I ask myself why is this ? The amount of article and reply's you have put on this forum, by know you should be up to speed. Just to answer your article though, Wales are the six nations champs, but they are at about the same level as England, France and Ireland hence the close scores between the nations last time we played them.

Come on LD Hug

.

You putting the negative spin on anything now! Is not my mind to make another "tussle" at all.

I use WAL like AUS or NZ or SA because is some nice shorten to write. Not to be insult!

Second I think is some interest that so many confounding result about decide who is best to NH at the moment! As you can see I already say probable WALES (WAL) would be the pick to avoid from SH now! so how can I be make a WUM to anybody there?

Please dont be so objectional and take a light heart unimporting discuss at face value and not look for conspiracy!

by anotherworldofpain Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:57 pm

englandglory4ever wrote:Oh dear another welshman finding England at 4th a bitter pill to swallow. Wales squeak past a callow England with a novice coach in the 6Ns and think they are world beaters. Aus put them back in their box 3 times in as many weeks. They still don't get it though do they.

I'm not sure WALES (WAL) put to any box Glory! Was some close games and if some Australian had the kicking day like Morne Steyn for SA (South Africa) then is a different box!

by beshocked Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:30 am

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:leinster

+1

by LordDowlais Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:43 am

anotherworldofpain wrote:
englandglory4ever wrote:Oh dear another welshman finding England at 4th a bitter pill to swallow. Wales squeak past a callow England with a novice coach in the 6Ns and think they are world beaters. Aus put them back in their box 3 times in as many weeks. They still don't get it though do they.

I'm not sure WALES (WAL) put to any box Glory! Was some close games and if some Australian had the kicking day like Morne Steyn for SA (South Africa) then is a different box!

Now see what youv'e started picard

by mystiroakey Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:49 am

AWOP lols , you do it again Jak sie masz? you like the sex?.. can we just have another character please. this one is so 2006 pal.

by Shifty Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:59 am

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:leinster were beaten by the Ospreys 3 times this season, 2 of those games in Dublin.

I finished your sentence for you. thumbsup

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:24 am

Shifty wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:leinster were beaten by the Ospreys 3 times this season, 2 of those games in Dublin, who in turn were beaten twice by Glasgow Warriors, home and away.

I finished your sentence for you.

Got your back

by **Notch** Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:26 am

Surely the best club/region/province in Europe is Leinster and the best national side is Wales?

And thats how it will stay until the next Heineken Cup Final/Last day of the Six Nations.

by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:29 am

Shifty wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:leinster were beaten by the Ospreys 3 times this season, 2 of those games in Dublin.

I finished your sentence for you.

The first time with their third choice front row and a loosehead playing at tighthead, and the second time with their second choice front row. Against arguably the best tight 5 in Europe.. yeah, good luck winning those games.

by Shifty Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:34 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
Shifty wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:leinster were beaten by the Ospreys 3 times this season, 2 of those games in Dublin, who in turn were beaten twice by Glasgow Warriors, home and away.

I finished your sentence for you.
Got your back

even a Scottish team is going to get "lucky" against a Welsh team at some point, though I will point out that any Rabo direct team should of beaten that Ospreys team we put out. As usual Scottish teams can only beat the opposition when they play their second string players, and then only just scrape a win! Laugh

by Feckless Rogue Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:34 am

Exactly Notch.

by Shifty Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:37 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Shifty wrote:
Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:leinster were beaten by the Ospreys 3 times this season, 2 of those games in Dublin.

I finished your sentence for you.

The first time with their third choice front row and a loosehead playing at tighthead, and the second time with their second choice front row. Against arguably the best tight 5 in Europe.. yeah, good luck winning those games.

Yeah lets be fair though the Ospreys lost a few lads during the World Cup also... Tumbleweed

I guess we'll just use the typical Irish logic when any of their teams loses to a Welsh one.

Wales beat Ireland in their last 3 games because Wales cheated and were lucky
The Ospreys beat Leinster 3 times this season because they cheated and were lucky
The Ospreys beat Munster 3 times this season because they cheated and were lucky + they cheated more than usual in the 45-10 semi final win
The Ospreys beat Connacht 2 times this season because they cheated and were lucky
The Ospreys beat Ulster once this season because they cheated and were lucky

All sorted now mate, now start talking yourselves up for next seasons game in Cardiff so we can watch and delight as you fall flat on your faces again. Whistle

by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:38 am

Eh Shifty, although your arrogance is amusing, I would climb down from that horse of yours there. Scotland beat an Australian side not that much weaker than the one Wales played (who they couldn't beat with three chances). Not to mention the fact they have the best record of any of us against the SH teams in recent years.

by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:39 am

Nope, we don't use the welsh excuse mate. thumbsup

by Shifty Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:43 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Eh Shifty, although your arrogance is amusing, I would climb down from that horse of yours there. Scotland beat an Australian side not that much weaker than the one Wales played (who they couldn't beat with three chances). Not to mention the fact they have the best record of any of us against the SH teams in recent years.

Which included 6 new caps, the only real difference between the Full Australian team and the one Wales faced was they were missing a fly half who is not on form at all and a their back 3.

Besides there is no way you can say Scotland are better than Wales they have only beaten us once in the last 10 games. thumbsup

by Shifty Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:46 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Nope, we don't use the welsh excuse mate.

Which one?

"You didnt beat us you just scored more points than us"

or

" the ref was bent" ? Erm

by Rory_Gallagher Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:46 am

Good thing I never said that Scotland (or Ireland, England or any other 6 nations side) are better than Wales then, isn't it. Whistle

Don't you worry, you can feel secure that Wales are still the best NH team.

by Shifty Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:53 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Good thing I never said that Scotland (or Ireland, England or any other 6 nations side) are better than Wales then, isn't it.

Don't you worry, you can feel secure that Wales are still the best NH team.

You insinuated it by saying australia were beaten by Scotland and not Wales, but the paper, scissors, rock theory never really works in rugby. Head to head results are all that matter.

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