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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Bath Rugby	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
2	Gloucester	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
3	Harlequins	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
4	Leicester Tigers	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
5	London Irish	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
6	London Wasps	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
7	London Welsh	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
8	Newcastle Falcons	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
9	Northampton Saints	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
10	Sale Sharks	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
11	Saracens	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
12	Worcester Warriors	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalisst - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:06 pm

What kind of centre do people see Scott Williams as? (silky runner, distributer, physical etc)

What I've seen of him he's a big powerful lad capable of taking it up physically with a bit of gas too. At nearly 16st I'm a bit surprised to see being picked up on his physicality or is it just like Scott for Matt in that people don't really rate him?

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:14 pm

I think people have said they have not seen enough of Scott and they want to see if he is not a 1 season wonder.

For me Williams does not play to his size. He needs to be more physical. He is more of a13 and distribution is not his strong point.

Scott is a berrick Barnes type of player a distributor.

Williams is a run through holes kind of player and has serious gas. He is not a12 at all for me

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:14 pm

I think he's a good all rounder , big enough to run through and silky enough to beat defenders. His step on the Fiji 15 in the RWC was sick!

by dammit_chris Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:20 pm

Scott Williams could become a very, very good player - for me he's done well in small games e.g. he got 3-4 tries against Namibia in the WC, but he should be more physical in other games - pretty sure he's only got a couple of tries for Scarlets in 30-40 games.

But he's 21, so got all the time in the world to develop - it took Fofana until he was 24/5 to get a cap for France and he's bound to get more game time under Gatland. I'm not sure how good Scarlets are anymore though - it's odd as think Welsh regions have gone backwards a bit, whilst their national team has developed a lot better.

To be honest it is quite hard to judge him as he's done one thing for Wales in a big game (stealing ball off Lawes), but has shone in games against weak teams e.g. Namibia and Fiji.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:26 pm

Cheers, always good to get opinions.

I don't expect him to be rated massively as only a boy but personally see his future as a physical 12 with gas, think he plays most games at 12 for Wales.

Have some bloody good centres Wales with Beck, JD, Williams, Roberts

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:30 pm

Depends how Wales want to play. With williams gone they seem to be going down the bigger is better route. I always prefer a centre to be a distributor. In new Zealand they call 12 second 5/8 which is what I think the 12 role is about

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:36 pm

Not many centres can't distribute. There's only really Barnes who really fits in that second FH role and he has played most of his rugby over the last year at 10 which is his natural position.

You look at the other top draw 12's Nonu, SBW, JDV, Steyn, Roberts etc and they're mostly go to men with a bit about them

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:41 pm

All of those have had creative 13s outside them like smith, Fourie etc.

Wales sometimes
Look like there is no plan b and have 2 bOsh centres and 2 bosh wingers

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:49 pm

Seems to work quite well, JD is bit of a hybrid in that he can mix his game up a bit.

by dammit_chris Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:22 pm

Wales are in a bit of danger of doing what England did post 2003 WC, try and get a lot of big powerful people in who just run straight. I think they've been good so far because teams struggle to take down 4 big backs - defences should adapt better this year against them. For Wales to keep using this approach its so important that Priestland rediscovers a bit more form for them.

I'm hoping that Youngs picks up some form for England again, but can see Ford emerging next year and then we just need a top class 12 and we will be sorted for our backline - really think it is time that May starts on the wing!

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:26 pm

May's not ready defensivley but needs to be around the squad to be worked on. He's electric ball in hand and just needs to sure up a bit and he'll nail one of the wing spots.

by dammit_chris Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:44 pm

I'd throw him in - best way to learn - he's 22 or so now and we should look at what a guy like that brings offensively instead of what he cant do defensively. Would say Foden and Ashton are two brilliant defensive players and he'd learn so much playing with them.

Hopefully Ford would have bulked up this season - it's then just a case of finding a top class 12 who can bring best out of Tuilagi. Then get some game changers on the bench and we should have a very good backline. Like the look of JJ and Rob Miller at Sale.

Just don't know who can cover the 12 shirt!

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:48 pm

I'd play Tuilagi at 12 or not at all.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:49 pm

Flood with Ford in the wings is pretty tidy, give Ford a chance to be eased in.

I like Barritt a lot and still want to see him get a run outside Flood. Think we could see some different aspects to his game

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:51 pm

South Africa for RC.

Forwards: W Alberts (Sharks), A Bekker (Stormers), P Cilliers (Lions), M Coetzee (Sharks), K Daniel (Sharks), B du Plessis (Sharks), J du Plessis (Sharks), E Etzebeth (Stormers), D Greyling (Bulls), S Kolisi (Stormers), J Kruger (Bulls), T Mtawarira (Sharks), J Potgieter (Bulls), C Ralepelle (Bulls), P Spies (Bulls), A Strauss (Cheetahs), F van der Merwe (Bulls)

Backs: J de Villiers (Stormers, capt), JJ Engelbrecht (Stormers), B Habana (Stormers), F Hougaard (Bulls), E Jantjies (Lions), Z Kirchner (Bulls), P Lambie (Sharks), L Mvovo (Sharks), R Pienaar (Ulster), JP Pietersen (Sharks), F Steyn (Sharks), M Steyn (Bulls), J Vermaak (Bulls)

Jaco Taute, Johan Goosen and Duane Vermeulen are on stand by.

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:51 pm

No Schalke Burger or Heinrich Brussouw.

by dammit_chris Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:54 pm

Or not at all? He's our best gainline breaker, go to man and tidies up so much for our backline. Personally have him as our most important back at the moment - look at the damage he caused France during the last 6Nations.

For me you build a backline around him, as no one else close to his ability yet and as a 21 year old he's only ever going to get better. He wont ever be an out and out 12.

Wonder whether Ford will play for England this season?

by Steven_Sharks Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:56 pm

Tuilagi and Joseph the only way forward at this point in time for me. Let them have sometime to build a partnership. Could be world beaters come 2015

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:58 pm

I think the thought that you need a gainline breaker is over rated. It's a pretty handy thing to have but if you have the right strike moves your backs should punch holes through running angles and change of pace and direction.

Leinster don't have a great line breaker in the backs and they have the best backs play in Europe.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:59 pm

I think Ford will get time Chris.

I wasn't overly impressed with JJ, I'd have him around the set up but needs to improve which he will as still young.

Burger long term injured and Meyer doesn't play a fetcher.

by dammit_chris Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:05 pm

I think the future for England is to have a centre pairing that is interchangeable, which points at JJ/Tuilagi long term - though if Twelvetrees can emerge at Gloucester it could be a big difference for England, I just dont know whether he will or not. Ryan Mills looks very good, just a shame we have so many great 13s coming through at the moment and not the 12s!

Driver I think its essential you have gainline breakers in your backline now, otherwise you get bullied out of a game as you need a guy that can put a defence on the backfoot and then let the fast, skillful guys attack - what is the world coming to when forwards start making comments abouyt backlines Wink

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:07 pm

Until Tuilagi learns to pass Id keep him at 13

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:09 pm

So , Australia have poor backs? They don't have anyone to really get them over the gainline?

10.Cooper
11.Ioane
12.Barnes
13.AAC - closest thing to it
14.JOC
15.Beale

by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:11 pm

I'd say Digby is pretty handy at getting over the gain line Whistle

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:13 pm

Because he jinks the man and takes the urine out of him by stepping him and running angles.

by dammit_chris Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:22 pm

He;s got no problem with passing, just doesnt look up enough and for England he was dealing with a lot of slow ball that he tidied up. Backline isnt clicking at the moment, think its the 10/12 channel plus Strettle on the wing.

Got to get May in there - hope Sharples comes back again well this season, need players who can win a game instead of just tackle and defend.

Would build the backline around Tuilagi, Foden and Ashton - start Flood with a view to play Ford eventually and then see what we can do with the 12 shirt - got to be someone who can step up this season - if not keep Barritt there for now.

by stnick88 Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:46 pm

SA dont have an out and out fetcher but all there backrow are decent backrow operators add in BDP they dont need brussow.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:51 pm

They could have used him against England. Robshaw & TJ totally dominated that area.

It's just not Meyers kind of game, Pocock & McCaw will have a field day imo

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:08 pm

Hartlepool vs Newcastle tickets only £10 for this Tuesday Yahoo

Come on the Toon!

by dammit_chris Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:26 pm

Driver have Hartlepool put their prices down due to the quality of their opponents...can't believe how quickly the football season has come round again!

Southend just came back from playing Real Madrid...(well their C team).

by Driver Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:30 pm

Nah mate expecting a thrashing so they've got o get the home support in somehow Wink

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:42 pm

How is jdj not in that squad. Worrying about burger they keep saying he is nearly fit but obviously is not.

Brussow needs games befOre coming in tO side.

Goosen fit for September or would have been in

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:05 pm

Driver - RIP 606 wrote:South Africa for RC.

Forwards: W Alberts (Sharks), A Bekker (Stormers), P Cilliers (Lions), M Coetzee (Sharks), K Daniel (Sharks), B du Plessis (Sharks), J du Plessis (Sharks), E Etzebeth (Stormers), D Greyling (Bulls), S Kolisi (Stormers), J Kruger (Bulls), T Mtawarira (Sharks), J Potgieter (Bulls), C Ralepelle (Bulls), P Spies (Bulls), A Strauss (Cheetahs), F van der Merwe (Bulls)

Backs: J de Villiers (Stormers, capt), JJ Engelbrecht (Stormers), B Habana (Stormers), F Hougaard (Bulls), E Jantjies (Lions), Z Kirchner (Bulls), P Lambie (Sharks), L Mvovo (Sharks), R Pienaar (Ulster), JP Pietersen (Sharks), F Steyn (Sharks), M Steyn (Bulls), J Vermaak (Bulls)

Jaco Taute, Johan Goosen and Duane Vermeulen are on stand by.

Some interesting selections and omissions. Brussow had a poor Super Rugby season and Meyer likes carriers in the back row so he was never going to make it. Kolisi deserves his call up and good to see Keegan Daniel retained. I am totally amazed by the inclusion of Vermaak and the omissions of Duvenage and Juan de Jongh. Also for all that JDV brings in terms of leadership, he's no 13, and Frans Steyn is the better 12. Going to be very interesting to see Meyers selection for the first match.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:03 pm

Cilliers is in due to coonie injury but they have better options.

Jantjes is a race selection. Kirchner weird selection. How is Joe pietersen and sharks 5 and ludek not in there.

Mvovo is a clown

by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:30 pm

You're not wrong there Matt.

I'm not JdJ biggest fan but he should be involved. Guessing Meyer thinks JP covers 13

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:31 pm

A saffers take "Finally! Well done Siya, fantastic reward for a fantastic season. As if Juan Smith is still being referred to as not considered due to injury, he hasn't played in around a year and a half. The skeptic in me wonders whether he will play again at all, never mind for the Springboks. Brussow injured again as well, the man is brilliant but made of glass apparently."

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:34 pm

Greyling an interesting choice. Brilliant at everything but can't scrum. If he can sort it will be top drawer. Interesting abroad boks not picked.steenkamp and bakkies were expected to be picked in every saffa paper. When I was in Durban last week they said kanowski had ripped up his Japanese contract. Their papers worse than ours

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:40 pm

On a few sites rumours juan smith and burger announcing retirement. It's keo type forum so pinch of salt needed I hope

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:42 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Smith retires Mat, he's had a lot of injuries the last few years. Will be a real shame, such a great player.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:47 pm

Saffer Richard hill. A legend.

Kolisi is another dusatoir. Your workrate in backrow is off the scale pete.

They don't carry much but are superb players and ruin oppositions rhythm. Huge fan of both.

Jordaan looked superb today at 12. Whoever signed him has a brilliant versatile talent. Plays every back position except 9

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:59 pm

dammit_chris wrote:I think the future for England is to have a centre pairing that is interchangeable, which points at JJ/Tuilagi long term - though if Twelvetrees can emerge at Gloucester it could be a big difference for England, I just dont know whether he will or not. Ryan Mills looks very good, just a shame we have so many great 13s coming through at the moment and not the 12s!

Driver I think its essential you have gainline breakers in your backline now, otherwise you get bullied out of a game as you need a guy that can put a defence on the backfoot and then let the fast, skillful guys attack - what is the world coming to when forwards start making comments abouyt backlines

Mills a 12 and will be backup to 36. Great talent. Serious worries over trinder. Keeps breaking down and is over weight. In 7s last night he was a passenger and pulled up a few times.

Coaches looked worried. Morgan still months away. Said before that I think he will retire

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:01 pm

Jordaan is exceptional. Luke picked him up in this game, I wanted him but wanted Kolisi more so missed out.

Defensively Kolisi is fantastic. Needs to work on improving his carrying, but is still young and will get better.

South Africa have so much talent coming through, my concern is that Meyer is not the right man to harness it.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:06 pm

Agree pete. Kolisi will never be a carrier but offers so much. He is probably a 6 rather than 7.

He is type of player no one wants to play against as he is a nuisance. Habama
Made your side so much better.

Farrell will kick on this year. Can see him as England 10 with ford at his heels

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:12 pm

I have to say I honestly think that Farrell needs to move clubs if he is going to reach his full potential. The way Saracens have played over the last 2/3 years has done nothing for developing his game. He is now ingrained into that way of playing so his default setting is looking to kick rather than looking what's on outside him.

He needs to be playing somewhere that he is going to be encouraged to play a bit and I'm not convinced Saracens is going to be that place.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:15 pm

I disagree. Think Saracens will try and play more. They want
The Heino and you can't have no plan b.

Think they may open up. Personally I think they have too few decent backs to do it

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:17 pm

The thing with Saracens is that they like the defensive stability that Barritt brings at 12, so if Farrell doesn't start at 10 they push him to 13, which is of no use to him or England.

by LukeLovesLuka Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:23 pm

Been delighted with the way Jordaan ended the season. Didnt expect to be signing super rugby final 12 that's for sure. Could be a great.
Might give him some game time, looks ready IMO.

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:23 pm

I reckon Farrell will be 12 and they will play. Saull is another who is lost in sarries system. He is a link and scavenger yet plays a an all defence system.
Ashton will demand ball

by Guest Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:24 pm

Think 13 will be his position as he has gas. Clever player Luke

by **Ozzy3213** Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:28 pm

Agree Jordaan will be a 13 Mat. Will be a very good player and could force his way into the Bok squad in the next 18 months.

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