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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 7:07

I was just sitting here at 7 in the morning when I thought how do you actually beat Floyd Mayweather Junior's defense? He has made a big deal at there not being a specific blueprint on how to beat him.

(By the way if this turns into a Manny Floyd debate I am gonna cry)

However he is human right? He has been caught by Sugar Shane, there was the HIS GLOVE TOUCHED DOWN REF! Against Zab Judah, but I was just wondering how you land the shots against Mayweather, because realistically the only ways that have been proven to have a chance against him so far have been outwork him. (Which works well in America considering they do look at aggression as more of a factor, take Hatton Mayweather, by my scorecard Hatton was down massively because of precise work by FMJ, however it was still relatively close because Hatton was aggressive) The other way of how to beat him would be to just have one punch knockout power and stun him if you sneak off a lucky shot.

But apart from these facts, how many guys can you say have had if at all any success at landing clean shots on FMJ regularly, also how do you go about doing this, what kind of style have you got to take, have you got to make him make the first move, what's your guys thoughts?

(Just thought it would be refreshing as this kind of thing doesn't seem to get talked about much on here)

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Post by manos de piedra Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 7:32

Speed and accuracy will cause even the greatest defensive fighters trouble. A top notch jab is another weapon.

The problem with beating Mayweather is that hes not solely reliant on defence. He can do many things well and is a great adaptive fighter and tactician.

There have been a number of fighters in the past that have had periods of success against him (De la Hoya, Judah, Castillo etc) but struggled to maintain it because there is just so many gears that Mayweather has.

I think to beat Mayweather you need to hold advantages over him in several areas, not just one or two.

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Post by Scottrf Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 7:39

Bit long and a couple of years old, but some good points:
http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/6681-the-blueprint-how-to-beat-floyd-mayweather-pt-i
http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/6682-the-blueprint-how-to-beat-floyd-mayweather-pt-ii

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Post by compelling and rich Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 8:23

always thought a calzaghe type tactic is the best way to go about it. he can easily slip two /three shots but you will have to throw combos of 6/7 to get a couple landing. bursts of that through out the rounds will make the fighter appear the agressor even though mayweather would have probably done the cleaner work, amercian judges will score argression highly (see morrales v maidana this weekend just gone as prove).

say what you want about calzaghe but he had a great style to win rounds (especially at home when every flurry is cheered on by the fans)

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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 9:47

Pressure, speed and a good jab or straight left, being a southpaw helps.

Who do we know that can do all these things and more? king

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Post by HumanWindmill Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 9:59

D4thincarnation wrote:Pressure, speed and a good jab or straight left, being a southpaw helps.

Who do we know that can do all these things and more? king

Hmmm.

Tricky one.

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Post by compelling and rich Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 10:00

is it tyson fury?

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 10:03

compelling and rich wrote:is it tyson fury?

Nooooo... sounds more like Jeremy Kyle to me... thumbsup
The straight left is a dead give away

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 11:48

The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.
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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 11:54

Not unbeatable though as long as you are able to get your tactics right, Mayweather hates it on the inside, look how he was shocked whenever Hatton was there he clearly didn't like it, but alas Hatton could not prevail, you have to do a multitude of things to catch out Mayweather and study so many tapes to get things down to a tee, you will have to end up doing most things you will maybe never need to do again, because he is a specialist fighter.

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Post by Eric Da Cat Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 11:55

prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.

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Post by Guest Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 11:58

Eric Da Cat wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.

Don't forget the SF Marquez who was made to jump up two weights whilst Mayweather didn't bother sticking the imposed weight stipulation and instead paid the $650k fine. We're talking about a class act here, boys!

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Post by 88Chris05 Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 11:59

I've believed for a while now that the way to have a chance of beating Mayweather is to play him at his own game; let him come to you for a change, fight defensively and look to counter him, rather than it being the other way around. Granted, it's going to be a stinker of a fight that way, but I can't see any other way to beat Mayweather when he's in top form.

I've never quite understood where this idea of Mayweather apparently not liking going against fighters who apply constant pressure and throw a shed load of punches. Corrales, Gatti, De la Hoya (for eight rounds, at least) and Hatton all tried this, and Mayweather dealt with them all fairly comfortably. Throwing as many punches as possible and coming straight on towards Mayweather simply isn't enough.

We're yet to see how Mayweather would react if he faced someone with a truly similar style to him. Obviously, a tall and rangy Welterweight who hit like a Heavyweight such as Hearns would be a nightmare for him, but fighters like that simply don't exist in boxing right now.

Box cautiously, make him do the chasing for a change and chance your arm at entering a war of counter-punching with him. Who knows, I could be well off the mark as nobody has really attempted it for a sustained period before, but I genuinely think that it would take a stinker of a defensive performance like that to get the better of him.
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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:01

yeah and you can't take away the undefeated Corralles 33-0 when he took him down =/ The Castillo fights, De La Hoya, Judah, Marquez, he has had a couple of notable names :P you can't be ranked no. 1 P4P without beating someone of note lol

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:03

DAVE667 wrote:
Eric Da Cat wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.

Don't forget the SF Marquez who was made to jump up two weights whilst Mayweather didn't bother sticking the imposed weight stipulation and instead paid the $650k fine. We're talking about a class act here, boys!

Corrales, Chavez, Hernandez, Castillo twice, Corley, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya no-one was saying Mosley was past it befor FMJ outclassed him. He's not a likeable person but as a fighter has been almost untouchable. Marquez could have walked away from the Mayweather fight but took it for the money so the weight excuse is pathetic.
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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:06

Eric Da Cat wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.


Well lets not forgot Mad Zab, Superfeather Marquez and the other career light-welter Sharmba Mitchell.


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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:07

prettyboy1304 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Eric Da Cat wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.

Don't forget the SF Marquez who was made to jump up two weights whilst Mayweather didn't bother sticking the imposed weight stipulation and instead paid the $650k fine. We're talking about a class act here, boys!

Corrales, Chavez, Hernandez, Castillo twice, Corley, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya no-one was saying Mosley was past it befor FMJ outclassed him. He's not a likeable person but as a fighter has been almost untouchable. Marquez could have walked away from the Mayweather fight but took it for the money so the weight excuse is pathetic.

I think they were, ask Windy if you don't believe me.

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:07

88Chris05 wrote:I've believed for a while now that the way to have a chance of beating Mayweather is to play him at his own game; let him come to you for a change, fight defensively and look to counter him, rather than it being the other way around. Granted, it's going to be a stinker of a fight that way, but I can't see any other way to beat Mayweather when he's in top form.

I've never quite understood where this idea of Mayweather apparently not liking going against fighters who apply constant pressure and throw a shed load of punches. Corrales, Gatti, De la Hoya (for eight rounds, at least) and Hatton all tried this, and Mayweather dealt with them all fairly comfortably. Throwing as many punches as possible and coming straight on towards Mayweather simply isn't enough.

We're yet to see how Mayweather would react if he faced someone with a truly similar style to him. Obviously, a tall and rangy Welterweight who hit like a Heavyweight such as Hearns would be a nightmare for him, but fighters like that simply don't exist in boxing right now.

Box cautiously, make him do the chasing for a change and chance your arm at entering a war of counter-punching with him. Who knows, I could be well off the mark as nobody has really attempted it for a sustained period before, but I genuinely think that it would take a stinker of a defensive performance like that to get the better of him.

All good points, few flaws, who do you think has the Boxing Ability or entangables to take him at his own game? No one I can think of... And they all made mistakes coming forward, especially Hatton, you have to be prepared to CUT THE RING OFF and get on the inside stick into him and don't allow him space to get on his bike, no clue as to how to do this in practice myself lol.
As Teddy Atlas likes to say "Take some air out of the tires"
Try slowing him down a bit, the problem with some of them it was mindless pressure and not enough thought went into it, and as soon as they got caught they didn't know how to react, you have to move in a way that will FORCE Mayweather to fight, it's the only way in my opinion, but alll of this is a heck of a lot easier said than done.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:12

D4thincarnation wrote:
Eric Da Cat wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.


Well lets not forgot Mad Zab, Superfeather Marquez and the other career light-welter Sharmba Mitchell.


Like I said before it was Marquez's decision to fight he could have knocked it back but he didn't. FMJ gave him a bigger payday than his last 2 fights combined. JMM knew the fight would be at WW and took the money.
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Post by HumanWindmill Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:12

Following the then Cassius Clay's squeaky thin victory over Doug Jones in 1963, Ring magazine carried a cover article, entitled ' Who has the best style to beat Clay ? '

It's an awfully long time ago, and I no longer have the magazine, but I think it's fair to say that the one man whom Ali never mastered was Ken Norton.

Robinson had similar problems with Turpin, who was very similar in style to Norton, ( and, ironically, Robinson had Basilio, who was very similar to Frazier, ) and I suspect Mayweather might also encounter problems against an awkward, physically powerful fighter with an authoritative jab.

Mayweather is a brilliant technician, and perhaps awkwardness and unorthodoxy, coupled with genuine physical presence, are the only things which could undo him.

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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:14

D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Eric Da Cat wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.

Don't forget the SF Marquez who was made to jump up two weights whilst Mayweather didn't bother sticking the imposed weight stipulation and instead paid the $650k fine. We're talking about a class act here, boys!

Corrales, Chavez, Hernandez, Castillo twice, Corley, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya no-one was saying Mosley was past it befor FMJ outclassed him. He's not a likeable person but as a fighter has been almost untouchable. Marquez could have walked away from the Mayweather fight but took it for the money so the weight excuse is pathetic.

I think they were, ask Windy if you don't believe me.

Infact they some people were saying Mosley was past it after the Mayorga fight, after the Cotto fight even before the 2nd Oscar fight.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:14

D4thincarnation wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Eric Da Cat wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:The problem is their isn't much he doesn't do better than most. Best defencive fighter on the planet. Not many have his hand speed. He is adaptable can change the way he fights to suit who he is fighting. He can be the agressor doesn't expend the energy of a high pressure fighter and is very accurate and almost untouchable at times. Pressure fighters who come forward and throw lots of punches is who he is at his best against. 2nd best WW of all time behind SRR imo.

Haha he only beat Baldomir, a lightwelter in Hatton and 39 year old Mosley.

Don't forget the SF Marquez who was made to jump up two weights whilst Mayweather didn't bother sticking the imposed weight stipulation and instead paid the $650k fine. We're talking about a class act here, boys!

Corrales, Chavez, Hernandez, Castillo twice, Corley, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya no-one was saying Mosley was past it befor FMJ outclassed him. He's not a likeable person but as a fighter has been almost untouchable. Marquez could have walked away from the Mayweather fight but took it for the money so the weight excuse is pathetic.

I think they were, ask Windy if you don't believe me.

Mosley had only lost once in 5 years before Mayweather and that was a close decision to Cotto so he clearly wasn't.
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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:15

Speed, Mayweather game is based on his counter punching, a quick fighter will negate his counter punching, see Judah.

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Post by Scottrf Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:17

D4thincarnation wrote:Speed, Mayweather game is based on his counter punching, a quick fighter will negate his counter punching, see Judah.
Speed, southpaw and a cute beard, would you say?

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Post by 88Chris05 Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:19

D4thincarnation wrote:Speed, Mayweather game is based on his counter punching, a quick fighter will negate his counter punching, see Judah.

Citing a fight which Mayweather dominated from round four onwards isn't going to convince many people that a simple dose of speed will be enough to put that first 'L' on Mayweather's record.

Oh hang on, that's right, I forgot; uncle Roger gave Floyd advice in the corner in that fight, and therefore the win against Judah doesn't count as Floyd was struggling before his trainer piped up, right?
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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:20

Maybe but I do fear for a guy with a little cute beard if he leaves himself so open to get countered against all the time =/ But MAYBE

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:20

D4thincarnation wrote:Speed, Mayweather game is based on his counter punching, a quick fighter will negate his counter punching, see Judah.

Judah never beat him though. Don't see anyone out their just now that could, and their hasn't been many before.
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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:22

Well, a lot of people feel that it was just the fact that Judah gassed out early, and then Mayweather took charge.

Or you could say that Judah was dominating early but Mayweather made the adjustments to come and win.

Whatever you think happened Mayweather did the champion thing and overcome a problem...

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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:22

Pressure, Mayweather operates well when he can dictate the pace, he likes to fight at a slow pace 30-40 punches a round. When his opponent can get fire around 60-80 punches around, Mayweather struggles, see Castillo.

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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:25

AlexHuckerby wrote:Well, a lot of people feel that it was just the fact that Judah gassed out early, and then Mayweather took charge.

Or you could say that Judah was dominating early but Mayweather made the adjustments to come and win.

Whatever you think happened Mayweather did the champion thing and overcome a problem...


Point being, Judah speed took away Mayweather counter punching ability. Counter punching relies on seeing the other guy throwing a punch and reacting to it, if you can't react quick enough, it is not going to work.

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:28

D4thincarnation wrote:Pressure, Mayweather operates well when he can dictate the pace, he likes to fight at a slow pace 30-40 punches a round. When his opponent can get fire around 60-80 punches around, Mayweather struggles, see Castillo.

No doubt but look at what he did to Mayweather threw loads of punches, however he CUT THE RING OFF, forced him on the ropes, took rounds that way, Mayweather never throws body shots so just cover up whilst your walking in and make sure he can't escape. Once you're there CANE HIM AS HARD AS YOU CAN!

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Post by 88Chris05 Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:28

D4thincarnation wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:Well, a lot of people feel that it was just the fact that Judah gassed out early, and then Mayweather took charge.

Or you could say that Judah was dominating early but Mayweather made the adjustments to come and win.

Whatever you think happened Mayweather did the champion thing and overcome a problem...


Point being, Judah speed took away Mayweather counter punching ability. Counter punching relies on seeing the other guy throwing a punch and reacting to it, if you can't react quick enough, it is not going to work.

I guess parts 2 and 3 of the fight haven't been posted on YouTube yet then, D4?
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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:30

D4thincarnation wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:Well, a lot of people feel that it was just the fact that Judah gassed out early, and then Mayweather took charge.

Or you could say that Judah was dominating early but Mayweather made the adjustments to come and win.

Whatever you think happened Mayweather did the champion thing and overcome a problem...


Point being, Judah speed took away Mayweather counter punching ability. Counter punching relies on seeing the other guy throwing a punch and reacting to it, if you can't react quick enough, it is not going to work.

Point is though he adapted to overcome the problem and won the fight not many can do that.
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AlexHuckerby wrote:Well, a lot of people feel that it was just the fact that Judah gassed out early, and then Mayweather took charge.

Or you could say that Judah was dominating early but Mayweather made the adjustments to come and win.

Whatever you think happened Mayweather did the champion thing and overcome a problem...


Point being, Judah speed took away Mayweather counter punching ability. Counter punching relies on seeing the other guy throwing a punch and reacting to it, if you can't react quick enough, it is not going to work.

I guess parts 2 and 3 of the fight haven't been posted on YouTube yet then, D4?
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Post by coxy0001 Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:31

Had to check but Castillo threw 506 punches in the first fight. Which isn't "80" punches per round, unless my maths has gone awry


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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:33

Yeah to be fair Mayweather utterly dominated Judah afterwards, would love to see how he fairs against Martinez at LMW, he has good speed (Not Mayweather speed) but POWER and great timing, one of the better counter punchers around most definately and has the size advantage to push him around into tight areas.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:36

AlexHuckerby wrote:Yeah to be fair Mayweather utterly dominated Judah afterwards, would love to see how he fairs against Martinez at LMW, he has good speed (Not Mayweather speed) but POWER and great timing, one of the better counter punchers around most definately and has the size advantage to push him around into tight areas.
Would be interseting but think the drop down in weight would take something away from Martinez and Mayweather has said before he won't go to middleweight.
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Post by Guest Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:45

prettyboy1304 wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:Yeah to be fair Mayweather utterly dominated Judah afterwards, would love to see how he fairs against Martinez at LMW, he has good speed (Not Mayweather speed) but POWER and great timing, one of the better counter punchers around most definately and has the size advantage to push him around into tight areas.
Would be interseting but think the drop down in weight would take something away from Martinez and Mayweather has said before he won't go to middleweight.
What if he was offered enough money...would he be prepared to jump up a couple of weights past his optimum...and what if Martinez was allowed to weigh what he liked...would that be OK?

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:51

Martinez has openly said he would love to go down to LMW to fight Mayweather, I'm confident he has fought there a lot before (Correct me if I'm wrong) so I don't think that would be an issue.

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 12:53

DAVE667 wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:Yeah to be fair Mayweather utterly dominated Judah afterwards, would love to see how he fairs against Martinez at LMW, he has good speed (Not Mayweather speed) but POWER and great timing, one of the better counter punchers around most definately and has the size advantage to push him around into tight areas.
Would be interseting but think the drop down in weight would take something away from Martinez and Mayweather has said before he won't go to middleweight.
What if he was offered enough money...would he be prepared to jump up a couple of weights past his optimum...and what if Martinez was allowed to weigh what he liked...would that be OK?

what fairytale world you living in?

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Post by hitmansam Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:03

Play Mayweather at his own game? There's a blueprint on how to beat him, watch the first Castillo fight. Mayweather isn't unbeatable. He was in a war with Chavez and Judah beat him for 5 rounds. You can't try and box the master boxer.

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Post by Guest Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:04

AlexHuckerby wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:Yeah to be fair Mayweather utterly dominated Judah afterwards, would love to see how he fairs against Martinez at LMW, he has good speed (Not Mayweather speed) but POWER and great timing, one of the better counter punchers around most definately and has the size advantage to push him around into tight areas.
Would be interseting but think the drop down in weight would take something away from Martinez and Mayweather has said before he won't go to middleweight.
What if he was offered enough money...would he be prepared to jump up a couple of weights past his optimum...and what if Martinez was allowed to weigh what he liked...would that be OK?

what fairytale world you living in?
The Mayweather world where if enough money is flashed around, all things suddenly become possible. Rumours abound Floyd will agree to fight Manny for a whopping $100million (KOTV last week)

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Post by AlexHuckerby Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:07

coxy0001 wrote:Had to check but Castillo threw 506 punches in the first fight. Which isn't "80" punches per round, unless my maths has gone awry

N'dou threw and threw and threw again and again but Mayweather was just unstoppable that night to be fair.

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How To Beat Floyd Mayweather Junior's Defense

Provide CCTV footage and untainted/unshakable prosecution witness testimony that Floyd did indeed do the things he's accused of....sorry, just thought I'd change the subject to something that has more chance of happening.

For years, everyone's "had the answer to Floyd" but no-one seems to have managed yet. Maybe they could fake a choking fit in the ring and see if, as Floyd leans in to show some concern, they can catch him with a sucker punch.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:39

DAVE667 wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
prettyboy1304 wrote:
AlexHuckerby wrote:Yeah to be fair Mayweather utterly dominated Judah afterwards, would love to see how he fairs against Martinez at LMW, he has good speed (Not Mayweather speed) but POWER and great timing, one of the better counter punchers around most definately and has the size advantage to push him around into tight areas.
Would be interseting but think the drop down in weight would take something away from Martinez and Mayweather has said before he won't go to middleweight.
What if he was offered enough money...would he be prepared to jump up a couple of weights past his optimum...and what if Martinez was allowed to weigh what he liked...would that be OK?

what fairytale world you living in?
The Mayweather world where if enough money is flashed around, all things suddenly become possible. Rumours abound Floyd will agree to fight Manny for a whopping $100million (KOTV last week)

Not sticking up for him too much here but that was a 3 fight deal with Don King it wasn't a one fight thing. Just a reporter not letting facts get in the way of a good story.


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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:44

AlexHuckerby wrote:Martinez has openly said he would love to go down to LMW to fight Mayweather, I'm confident he has fought there a lot before (Correct me if I'm wrong) so I don't think that would be an issue.

Martinez hasn't fought at LMW for 5 years and is now 36 that's why I don't think we would see the best Martinez at LMW. Of course he would come down to fight FMJ the money is better than he would make fighting anyone else. FMJ said he won't fight at MW but if their was enough money in it for him he would, but Martinez can't bring the sort of money to the table that would get him to. No one at MW can.
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Post by D4thincarnation Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:47

A great jab, such as Khan's would trouble Mayweather, he would find it difficult to counter, and could rack up the points forced Mayweather to become more offensive and leave himself more open.

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Post by bellchees Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:49

DAVE667 wrote:How To Beat Floyd Mayweather Junior's Defense

Provide CCTV footage and untainted/unshakable prosecution witness testimony that Floyd did indeed do the things he's accused of....sorry, just thought I'd change the subject to something that has more chance of happening.

For years, everyone's "had the answer to Floyd" but no-one seems to have managed yet. Maybe they could fake a choking fit in the ring and see if, as Floyd leans in to show some concern, they can catch him with a sucker punch.

No way does Floyd show concern for someone choking in the ring. I'd like to see someone try that though and just get levelled by a right hand. In all seriousness though I think Manny is the only one with the speed, accuracy and power to trouble Floyd at the moment (I discount Martinez because he is a Middleweight and shouldn't be involved with any conversation about possible opponents for Floyd and Manny). However Manny doesn't have a great defence and will be open to a straight right hand as fast as Floyd's which is what would make it such an interesting fight. It's easy to forget that Mayweather does have a very good offence to go with that ridiculous defence and so it will take a very well rounded fighter to beat him. Getting through and landing on Mayweather might not be enough because he will be hitting you back with phenomenal accuracy.

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Post by kevchadders Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:51

compelling and rich wrote:always thought a calzaghe type tactic is the best way to go about it. he can easily slip two /three shots but you will have to throw combos of 6/7 to get a couple landing. bursts of that through out the rounds will make the fighter appear the agressor even though mayweather would have probably done the cleaner work, amercian judges will score argression highly (see morrales v maidana this weekend just gone as prove).

say what you want about calzaghe but he had a great style to win rounds (especially at home when every flurry is cheered on by the fans)
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Agree with this and manos's first post. You need to have an equally gifted fighter who can also adapt through outthe fight to match whatever changes floyd does.

Either way, it going 12 rounds so need to keep punch output high every round, and keep Mayweather on his toes as much as possible.


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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Tue 12 Apr 2011 - 13:51

D4thincarnation wrote:A great jab, such as Khan's would trouble Mayweather, he would find it difficult to counter, and could rack up the points forced Mayweather to become more offensive and leave himself more open.

Khan? come on D4 I know you hate the guy but do me a favour. When has Khan proved he is at that level?
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