The Lions One Year Out Part 2

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Lions – The Backs

On Tuesday, we looked at the forwards putting themselves forward for Lions selection. Today we see which backs should start learning the words to Power of Four, the fondly remembered Lions anthem.

Scrum Half

Already Packed his Spider-Bite Cream: Mike Phillips. At this juncture, no player is more inked in to the Lions test jersey than the big Welsh number nine. Not the most technically gifted, but a decent passer, his main strength is his running game and ability to link with his forwards. Plus, he’s already impressed on a Lions tour.

Work to do: Ben Youngs would be the obvious and desired deputy to Phillips – someone who offers something completely different, and a potential impact replacement late in matches, upping the pace and running tap penalties. He appears to have recovered his game after a difficult period. Danny Care mixes the good with the bad, but has had a fine season with Harlequins. You suspect Gatland would like Conor Murray in the panel as an insurance plan against Phillips, but he needs to show his best form. He needs to show greater speed off the base, but has a good pass once it gets moving.

Any bolters? Ospreys’ scrum half Rhys Webb is a smashing player, and looks the most capable of making a late burst.

Fly Half

Already Reading His Lonely Planet Guide: Johnny Sexton. With his goal-kicking yips behind him for Ireland, Johnny Sexton was one of the few successes of the Irish summer tour. Still not quite as regal in green as in blue, but we suspect Gatland is the sort of coach who’ll cajole the best out of him. Should be the test starter.

Work to do: We’re still not convinced by Rhys Priestland by a long way. Gatland seems to be a fan, though, even if he’s taken him off place-kicking duty for Wales. If Leigh Halfpenny cannot get into the side at full-back ahead of Rob Kearney, it will compromise his test credentials. Toby Flood and Owen Farrell offer slightly more stable talents than the hot-and-cold Welshman, and both will be on hand to provide solid back-up to Sexton should Gatland choose dependable place-kicking over more mercurial abilities.

Any bolters? A couple. A certain D. Cipriani will be back on English shores this season with Sale. Gatland was his one-time mentor back in the day at Wasps. It remains unlikely that the one-time next big thing will have the discipline and defensive willingness to push for a place on the tour, but how marvellous it would be if he could. The incumbent next-big-thing, George Ford is another who could make a late dash, but needs to depose Toby Flood at Leicester first.

Centres

Surfboard at the ready: The only centre who looks anything close to nailed-on is Wales’ Big Bopper Jamie Roberts. We had him in our ‘work to do’ section last year, but he has done plenty of that in the last twelve months. Hard runner, good hands, when he’s on song he’s close to unplayable; he’ll be a key man for the Lions and nigh on irreplaceable.

Work to do: Can Brian O’Driscoll see out his career with a victorious Lions tour? He would love nothing more. The old ledge-bag looked sprightly for Leinster but played a touch fast and loose in New Zealand. If his body holds together, he’ll surely do enough to make the plane. Oooooooooooohhh Manu Tuilagi and JJV Davies offer more - how shall we put this? - straight-line tendencies, but both would offer a serious threat to the Aussie gainline.

Any Bolters? Quality inside centres to offer competition to Roberts are thin on the ground, and it’s possible his understudy for Wales, Ashley Beck, will do likewise for the Lions. Performance in the Pro12 final underlined his quality.

Wings

Wine-tasting guide packed: George North. There’s no shortage of quality on the wings, with all four countries putting up quality players for examination, but the big, bruising Welshman is top of the bunch. No bosh-merchant, his skill, distribution and movement belie his monstrous physique.

Work to do: A large field. From Ireland there’s Keith Earls and Tommy Bowe. Earls’ ability to play centre could work to his advantage, and he has a Lions tour under his belt. Bowe excelled in 2009, and is Ireland’s best attacker. Wales’ other wing Alex Cuthbert (another monster) has timed his rise from obscurity to test class wing impeccably. Chris Ashton’s star has waned a little, but he’ll be looking to reassert himself at Saracens. And flying Dutchman (via Scotland) Tim Visser is in with a shout. He has only one Six Nations to show he can handle international rugby, but he only has the hopes of a nation riding on it, so no pressure, laddie.

Bolters: This is the most bolter-friendly position on the paddock; youngsters can quickly emerge and put themselves in the frame in a short space of time – it’s also a position where confidence and form have the biggest role to play, so Gatland might look past reputation and take a punt on those who are banging in tries. Christian Wade, Craig Gilroy and Charlie Sharples are just three of many to keep an eye on.

Full Back

Planning a visit to Ayers Rock: Another area of real depth for the Lions, with all four nations putting up a genuine contender. But Rob Kearney, after his annus mirabilis, is at the top of the tree. Outstanding performances on last Lions tour won’t be forgotten either.

Work to do: It’ll be at most two from three terrific international players. Leigh Halfpenny has a mule of a boot and while he isn’t the tallest, is a beautiful runner and dependable catcher. England’s Ben Foden is a shade off his 2010-11 form, but he is a handsome footballer in every sense of the word. Already making a bolt is Scotland’s Stuart Hogg, having been eventually let loose for Scotland this Six Nations. Greased lightning over the turf, his pace would be a real asset.

Any bolters: Felix Jones was mentioned in our comments section this time last year, but injury has been cruel to him. Gloucester’s lightning-fast Johnny May is an exciting talent, but can he break into the England team to make an impression?

Just Eleven Months To Go

A year out from the tour, the augurs are good. Wales ran Australia very close in the recent series, and were painfully unlucky to come out on the losing side in the latter two matches. Surely augmenting that side with a handful of daring Irish, granite-hewn Englishmen, and a giant peroxide-blonde Scot will tilt the balance? Warren Gatland has already been on one successful, albeit losing, tour and his task will be to deliver a harmonious, happy, competitive squad, similar to 2009. Therer’s usually little enough you can do on the tactical innovation side in such a short timeframe, so don’t expect too much variation on the Welsh run-hard-run-straight gameplan, with Mike Phillips directing a brutish pack of forwards and Sexton looking to bring the likes of George North and Tim Visser into play as much as possible. With quality scrummagers, no short of backrow options and plenty of good attacking threats in the backline, this is the Lions’ best chance of a series win since… ooooooh… 1997. Memo to all: don’t get injured.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:We need to be careful about picking players who have struggled against Australia.

I don't think that should come into it at all. Where would you draw the line? In a 50/50 call, would you dismiss player A because his national side has lost to Austalia and go with player B just because his national side has beaten them? Surely you get the best out of the Lions when you dismiss the players' nationality altogether.

And pick the unit/s most likely to beat Oz. But, that's where it gets political. Will Gats pick the best unit/s to beat Oz, or try to spread the rugby lurve? I hope he ignores all that BS and picks the best 22 to beat em.

There will be riots on here when the squad is picked. Will be even worse when the 22 is picked.

Or is it 23 now? Cant be arsed to check. Whateva.

A set of stats I found on Robshaw's T1 performance just to add to my case for him earlier, as reported in Rugby World-

England's top tackler- Robshaw, 21 (ESPN says 16 no misses, interesting difference).
Most ruck hits- Robshaw, 31
Most turnovers forced, Robshaw, 4

Really good interview with the bloke too, and one with Warbs afterwards. Apparently Dan Lydiate is a great dancer

Gibson wrote:

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

sugarNspikes wrote:We need to be careful about picking players who have struggled against Australia.

I don't think that should come into it at all. Where would you draw the line? In a 50/50 call, would you dismiss player A because his national side has lost to Austalia and go with player B just because his national side has beaten them? Surely you get the best out of the Lions when you dismiss the players' nationality altogether.

And pick the unit/s most likely to beat Oz. But, that's where it gets political. Will Gats pick the best unit/s to beat Oz, or try to spread the rugby lurve? I hope he ignores all that BS and picks the best 22 to beat em.

There will be riots on here when the squad is picked. Will be even worse when the 22 is picked.

Or is it 23 now? Cant be arsed to check. Whateva.

I am not confident Gatland will pick the best 22, he has not picked the best team for Wales since 2008 but he got closer in 2012. Wales have fielded a number of duffers that most Welsh supporters could not understand why they were ever picked and the problem is he sticks with them until it bites him on the bum (D Jones, G Copper, A Powell, G Williams etc,) , it is still happening e.g., the most recent is Preistland, he picks players who are not fit or not played enough game time like Lydiate and Warburton (I don't believe Howley chose the teams without Gatland in the recent Aust tour). Ian Evans was the best Welsh second row by far prior, during and after the 6N, did he get picked in Australia, no he went (via Howley) for Charteris and Brad Davies just back from injury and a ban respectively. The back row I put forward will not consist of R Jones but I suspect he will be on the bench.

Interesting that hardly anybody is talking about Lydiate the player of the 6N, he has been playing with an injury during and after the 6N, if fit he is likely to be selected (not my choice). I suspect Gatland's choice will be Lydiate, Heaslip and Warburton, don't shoot the messenger.

Perhaps because Lydiate is hugely overrated and Davies did a great job hyping him up during the 6N? What does Lydiate offer over any of the other options at 6? Nothing. Nothing has suggested he offers anything over any of the other options.

Is playing with an injury an excuse for a sub-par performance?

Nope, because SOB needed an operation since the 6N (or before) and won MOTM in the HEC final, and had a fantastic tour in NZ.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Nope, because SOB needed an operation since the 6N (or before) and won MOTM in the HEC final, and had a fantastic tour in NZ.

As I said, Lydiate is not my choice for the Lions, he did win 2 MOTM selections in the 6N not a one off club match. I agree they were selected by J Davies but he did very well coming back and playing with an ankle injury. Lydiate did not play in the first game against Ireland, R Jones carried the Wales back row that day and got moved (annoyingly) to second row for the Scotland to fit Lydiate in, this is another example of Gatland picking favourites whatever their form or fitness.

glamorganalun wrote:

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Nope, because SOB needed an operation since the 6N (or before) and won MOTM in the HEC final, and had a fantastic tour in NZ.

As I said, Lydiate is not my choice for the Lions, he did win 2 MOTM selections in the 6N not a one off club match. I agree they were selected by J Davies but he did very well coming back and playing with an ankle injury. Lydiate did not play in the first game against Ireland, R Jones carried the Wales back row that day and got moved (annoyingly) to second row for the Scotland to fit Lydiate in, this is another example of Gatland picking favourites whatever their form or fitness.

A hero or a long-term, idiot, casualty? Time will tell the Truth. BOD has done it all his life. But he's unreal.

A lot of top players play through pain and excel. Does it make it smart?

Probably not but to be fair, what would we have done had O'Brien and Ferris both been out? And Heaslip in the third test. However like you said time will tell if it really was a stupid move or not. I hope it wasn't, and he recovers after the op.

Lydiate is a great young player but he has some very good competition.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Probably not but to be fair, what would we have done had O'Brien and Ferris both been out? And Heaslip in the third test. However like you said time will tell if it really was a stupid move or not. I hope it wasn't, and he recovers after the op.

Lost 80-0? Whats the differ in real terms? I dont think players should play with a bad, continuing - injury. A niggle - OK.
But. For their sakes and for our sakes. Its not clever.