1st robbery of the olympics

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dont know the names, but that thai boxer clearly beat the kazakstan fighter.

8-8 going into the final round - which is in my opinion about right. Last round kaz fighter gassed and hardly did anything, the thai boxer landed two combinations to the body with atleast 6 clean punches landed between them both, won the round, yet the kazakstan fighter got the decision - last round was 4-4

I still don't understand why body punching isn't rewarded in amateur boxing.

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Yeah great performance from her and what a performance from Katie Taylor!

Adams has got some really great footwork and she definitely has a good chance of taking home the gold.

she beat a 4 time world champ but has a 3 time world champ who beat her in the 2010 and 2012 finals to come.......it's going to be tough but would love to see her take gold!

Katie Taylor is phenomenal, watching some of that final round her opponent tried to show-boat but Taylor just made her look a prat.

alma wrote:I think the 10 point must system is the way to go, announced at the end of every round. You might argue that this means the fighter who's ahead by 2 rounds going into the last can just coast, but then standing 8 counts could mean a 10-8 round anyway, so it wouldn't be all over.

The current system is too confusing and illogical

this is the last time we will see this BS scoring system - going to the 10 point must system after this

KO-KING wrote:

alma wrote:I think the 10 point must system is the way to go, announced at the end of every round. You might argue that this means the fighter who's ahead by 2 rounds going into the last can just coast, but then standing 8 counts could mean a 10-8 round anyway, so it wouldn't be all over.

The current system is too confusing and illogical

this is the last time we will see this BS scoring system - going to the 10 point must system after this

20 point must perhaps...

This scoring sucks so much, Stalker won the second and third rounds, what the hell are they watching? If that was a 10 point system its 2 rounds to 1 in favour of Stalker.

Amateur boxing is so far away from the professional ranks now, half these guys won't get anywhere in the paid ranks.

Well we have had a couple of decision go for us so I expected one to go against us..

But doesn't excuse the fact that the decision was disgusting. How the heck the Mongolian was scored with what like 9 points in the final round is beyond me.

Stalker took that by about 6 points!!

The whole thing has been shocking to be honest....their right to call it amateur because everything from the boxers themselves...to the judges..the format and the scoring is exactly that. RANK BLOODY AMATEUR!

I think it should be scrapped from the Olympic programme to be honest. Sad to say that but it just gets more and more gauling and inexcusable every Olympics..

Bad one was it?

Gotta feel for the lad. Worked his but off for years and gets jobbed.

I knew that we were over reacting to the Joshua result, which was bad, but later down the line we were going to get totally screwed out of a result.

Feel so bad for Tom Stalker, he did Team GB proud and he may be disappointed, but certainly not for his fantastic performance.

I thought there was 2-3 occasions where the Mongolian was hurt badly, one of them should have been a standing count, instead he used his experience to say his head guard needed adjusting.

Tom stalker has appealed the decision. The fight decision cant be changed can it?

LeinsterFan4life wrote:Tom stalker has appealed the decision. The fight decision cant be changed can it?

Nope, only for bad refereing not judging so he has got no grounds.

To be honest, I thought it was close and could have went either way. We were always going to get a decision against us and that proved to be the case last night.

Appeal rejected. Pity as it was a shocker.

I am truely amazed by these results, its seriously not endearing people to boxing now is it.

Its like boxing doesn't want to get new fans...

I wouldn't claim to know a lot about amateur boxing or anything like that, I'm a decnet fan of boxing and watch Irish boxers pro or amateur with some interest, I think most of ours have avoided controversy, thankfully.

The lad Ogogo was very lucky to win one of his earlier bouts I felt against I think it was a Ukranian lad, I thought he lost it to be honest.

That GB lad should have gone through against the Mongolian to be fair that was joke poor stuff.

ogogo fight vs the ukranian was close - and it showed, went to countback, The Ukranian, did the cleaner work landed the better punches and in the pro's would have easily won, but ogogo fought to the system, he was busier and landed more

Anthony Joshua has his work cut out tomorrow against Ivan Dychko. I rate him VERY highly. Out of all the big men left, he is by far the most naturally talented. A great athlete with great long range skill to complement his fantastic mobilty.

I won't be suprised if Joshua wins another dodgy decision.

TheMackemMawler wrote:Anthony Joshua has his work cut out tomorrow against Ivan Dychko. I rate him VERY highly. Out of all the big men left, he is by far the most naturally talented. A great athlete with great long range skill to complement his fantastic mobilty.

I won't be suprised if Joshua wins another dodgy decision.

im tempted to put money on dychko but im not confident he will get a fair playing field. been a lot of dodgy decisions for gb this olympics. you expect it in the boxing but some of the other sports have been corrupted too

There's maybe some corruption, I don't know. I think any event which involves judges is potentially open to corruption or political bias at least.

It's not hard to imagine future Olympic games going the same way as the Eurovision song contest.... blatant political/social bias and an I'll scratch your back if you scratch my back mentality.

However, putting that aside and considering that robberies in Taekwondo have taken place in previous Olympics (and the fact that Taekwondo is scored in a similar manner to Amateur Boxing), it would appear that the computer scoring system is inherently flawed.

A reversion to the 20 point must system has it's own problems, in that, the fittest and most aggressive boxers sometimes get the nod on work rate alone. The computer scoring was introduced, I think, to get away from this, such that, skilled boxers would be awarded a point for the ability to pick and land a hard and accurate punch. However, this was much to the detriment of pressure fighters. For instance, if you score the Andrew Selby Vs Ramirez Carrazana Robeisy fight using both the computer and 20 point must systems then two different results are produced: Selby wins the 20 point must and Carrazana wins the computer scoring. Both would be legitimate results using what should be a legitimate scoring philosophy. However, it seems striking a balance to please everyone is very difficult, as one system tends to favour a particular style of fighting.... much in the same way that us on here prefer different fighting styles.

Controversy is often a symptom of a perceived error in human judgement but the perceived error is usually identified using human judgement? For that reason alone, boxing and controversy share an inescapable future together.

Mammadov has been fortunate thus far, so maybe another robbery tonight? Perhas they are trying to set up a Baku Heavyweight rematch.

Good for British boxing? I'm not so sure? What did our last Super Heavyweight gold medalist ever do for British boxing?

Anyway mate, I hope he wins just for you and everyone there because the atmosphere will be a fantastic life long memory if he does.

Ron McIntosh is useless.

Even 2nd Round

Though I don't know why 2 weeks in im still surprised by the scores...perhaps I was naive to think that as the competition goes on judging could get better lol!

Haha, I quite like him.

"Rocked his head back like a dose of smelling salts". Great line.

owen10ozzy wrote:Even 2nd Round

Though I don't know why 2 weeks in im still surprised by the scores...perhaps I was naive to think that as the competition goes on judging could get better lol!

I thought the second was even. Possibly a UKR round. Evans win though.

I had the 2nd Round by 2 to Evans... Certainly didn't think it was as close as a 11-10 fight put it that way!

I can't wait to see Evans go pro...out of all them I think he is best suited. Looks like has a bit of a dig on him, picks his shots very well....and has some fantastic punching angles.

Not going to say future world champ or anything as that would be stupid..but do think he will be an exciting pro to watch.

I'm not taking anything away from Evans but I think Vastine "beat" Selestyuk more convincingly.

I thought Evans was caught quite a few times in the 2nd. Bit controlled the fight on the whole. Shelestyuk (sp) was nowhere near the fighter he was in Baku.

Sapiyev is the class of the field. It will be an interesting final.

Thoughts on Mammadov - Russo, Mackem? Personally, I can not abide Russo. So much holding. Hope Usyk gives him a lesson.

Selestyuk was ideal for Evans' composed countering, it will be a harder proposition against Sapiyev.

I hoped you'd let that one go. I was at work and missed it mate. Is it worth watching on catch up? was 15-13 a true score?

Nah, like any Russo bout its like watching grass grow. Deserved score though.


Never seen what you see in Mammadov though. Far too wide a stance, negates the height and reach advantage he holds over most.

I havn't managed to catch Mammadov at the Olympics, but from what I've heard he's been poor.

I don't think his stance was too wide in Baku...well, perhaps at times. I think a wide stance takes loads out of your rear leg when trying to maintain mobility, but it's ideal for holding centre ring.

If his stance was too wide as you say, then I fully agree, he needs to pull it in so he's mobile enough to maintain distance and box to his advantages. I don't see too much harm in going back to a wide stance once he's created his range so he can get a bit more leverage on his back hand though.

Yeah, I see what you you mean, but his main strengths (or should be) his height and jab. He should be on his toes, popping that jab out. He does neither, and seemed content to try and counter-punch with a stance that limits his lateral movement. His head and upper body movement isn't great at the best of times, but with his legs so far apart it is even worse.

I've always found widening the stance and coming slightly more square on improves head movement. But with respect to everything else you just said I couldn't agree with you more. He needs to take a look at Dychko.

From what you are saying about the counter-punching during that fight, I'm imagining him standing off, wide stance, little lateral movement, attempting to box to the computer only, forgetting about jabbing and looking for rear hand accurate counters against the stocky Russo? It's all guess work, because like i say I havn't seen him bout at the games.

Wow this is close, come on Joshua!

His nose is bust up, that jab is doing the job.

YES!!!!!!!

Haha, another good performance, he has beaten Cammarelle before as well.

Fingers crossed for the final, I think he can do it!

Joshua boxed brilliantly. Good tactics by team GB. It's amazing how good someone (Dycheko) can look when allowed to box his own fight.

I'm starting to think that all the Olympic Boxing is rigged for the Brit fighters. Fred Evans also lucked out against the Canadian guy. I thought Joshua lost that fight. Or even if he won there's no way he won that second round against the lanky Kazak. To compare this big lump to Lennox Lewis is a joke!

Is it me or is the quality of boxing here pretty poor? No decent American amateurs is hurting the standards of Olympic boxing.

The second round was very poor scoring, certainly lost that one in my view.

I thought on balance he won the fight though.

Super D Boon wrote:I'm starting to think that all the Olympic Boxing is rigged for the Brit fighters. Fred Evans also lucked out against the Canadian guy. I thought Joshua lost that fight. Or even if he won there's no way he won that second round against the lanky Kazak. To compare this big lump to Lennox Lewis is a joke!

Is it me or is the quality of boxing here pretty poor? No decent American amateurs is hurting the standards of Olympic boxing.

I thought Josuha lost to Savon, the Fred Evans fight could have gone either way. Joshua bust up the Kazak and it was even going in, Joshua just did that little bit more in that fight in the last round (Which he clearly won), it wasn't like he won it by a country mile....

Boxing is the only sport I'm not patriotic toward. All others, Rule Britannia all the way (even cried when Mo and Jessica won gold, haha! ). But when I support boxers, I know enough about the game not to be swayed by the passport they hold. I'm not sure if this is wrong but I will find it a bit gaulling if Joshua wins gold when he has been "beaten" already.

Super D Boon wrote:I'm starting to think that all the Olympic Boxing is rigged for the Brit fighters. Fred Evans also lucked out against the Canadian guy. I thought Joshua lost that fight. Or even if he won there's no way he won that second round against the lanky Kazak. To compare this big lump to Lennox Lewis is a joke!

Is it me or is the quality of boxing here pretty poor? No decent American amateurs is hurting the standards of Olympic boxing.

I'm not sure how old you are but since 1996 there have been around EIGHTY male Olympic finalists......ONLY TWO have been Americans.

I will not bother to list the fantastic boxers that have competed in the games in the last 16 years.

I don't like the hype this Joshua is getting. He seems a bit like a second rate Bruno rather than an upcoming Lennox Lewis. Clearly people never saw how good LL was as an amateur to be making this absurd comparison. I felt Joshua may have scraped the fight but the second round he clearly lost for me. Richie Woodhall's jingoism never ceases to irriatate me, just cos the Kazak guy had a bleeding nose that was a close close fight. Fred Evans has riden his luck too as did the middleweight. ironically the Brit captain (what was his name?) was actually very unfortunate not to go through.

Am not happy with the quality on offer though. It would be great if Evans won the gold because he's had a tough life losing his mum and sister in a car crash but man is he open to the right hand!? Joshua is nothing special and neither is Campbell yet they're all in Gold fights.

This tournament is a huge eye opener for me. The standard is low and the lack of qulaity American amateurs is a death knell for pro boxing.

I repeat,

I'm not sure how old you are but since 1996 there has been around 80 male Olympic finalists......ONLY TWO have been Americans.

I will not bother to list the fantastic boxers that have competed in the games in the last 16 years.

TheMackemMawler wrote:I've always found widening the stance and coming slightly more square on improves head movement. But with respect to everything else you just said I couldn't agree with you more. He needs to take a look at Dychko.

From what you are saying about the counter-punching during that fight, I'm imagining him standing off, wide stance, little lateral movement, attempting to box to the computer only, forgetting about jabbing and looking for rear hand accurate counters against the stocky Russo? It's all guess work, because like i say I havn't seen him bout at the games.

Apologies, what I meant was when you open your stance you give more of a target to hit, coupled with, in my opinion, Mammadov's generally poor head movement ii's a recipe for disaster.

He's only a boy, so hopefully he reads what the 606 masterminds are saying and does something about it

Agreed, but only by Savon, I thought he won the other two

I feel for Savon. Denied a Gold. He must be seething.