Man Utd thread

by Liam Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

There are a few Utd fans like myself on the board but like the LFC one set up, everyone are welcome to discuss Utd's results and news etc..

Playing Barca tomorrow night, only a pre-season game but would like to see Kagwa given a run out tomorrow night see what he's got against the best.

by GSC Tue 21 Aug 2012, 3:18 pm

He was never that great defensively

by Ent Tue 21 Aug 2012, 3:23 pm

The Special Juan wrote:What's happened to Evra? Is it something as simple as he's lost his pace?

He lost a yard a few years ago and his starting position is a lot higher than previously.
Now his "legs" (stamina) have gone he's getting caught out more and more, whilst negatively effecting the teams shape.

by Liam Tue 21 Aug 2012, 4:58 pm

think age has caught up with him and his decision making has become appalling. add that to the loss of pace (although he can still move) means he can't recover quickly from a mistake. also his positioning has been appalling for the last couple of seasons, sometimes the rw and rb will be behind evra sometimes!!

by matth7 Tue 21 Aug 2012, 8:08 pm

United have announced that Angelo Henriquez has been granted a governing body endorsement which will allow the striker to register and play for the club.

The 18-year-old will play his final game for Universidad de Chile against Santos on Wednesday and a further announcement on him joining the Reds will be made in due course.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Aug/angelo-henriquez-to-sign-for-manchester-united.aspx

by matth7 Thu 23 Aug 2012, 4:39 pm

Zeki fryers has joined Standard Liege on a 2 year deal.

by compelling and rich Thu 23 Aug 2012, 6:02 pm

evra for me has lost his hunger and is over confident more than he has lost his legs, he simply lets the opposing players cross it in and doesnt try to stop the cross anymore. loses the ball he doesnt track back (saw this a couple of times against everton) think the likes of evra and nani are characters we dont need, talented yes but far too over confident and causes us no amount of problems

we have lost too many good pro's over the years who know what the club is about (nevilles, brown, o'shea etc) now were stuck with a squad with no leaders what so ever, were crying out for a keane type player. the other night nani kicked the ball out when a easy pass was on to evra down the line, evra's response was to clap him, he needed a rollicking not a clap for well tried! i bet you nani wouldnt dare put in some of the sub standard performances he's does if he had keane breathing down his neck!

by Liam Thu 23 Aug 2012, 10:11 pm

Heard rumours that Utd aren't happy at all with Nani. They believe his performances at the back end of last season were awful and the Everton game really ticked them off.

Really hope that someone will come in with an offer of hopefully 20m around that mark. Take that every day, throw 7/8m to Lille for Debuchy.

by Bull Fri 24 Aug 2012, 11:05 am

SAF says thats it for the summer no more signings after we sign Herniquez

by matth7 Fri 24 Aug 2012, 12:35 pm

Buttner will wear number 28, Henriquez number 32.

by Guest Fri 24 Aug 2012, 3:36 pm

compelling and rich wrote:evra for me has lost his hunger and is over confident more than he has lost his legs, he simply lets the opposing players cross it in and doesnt try to stop the cross anymore. loses the ball he doesnt track back (saw this a couple of times against everton) think the likes of evra and nani are characters we dont need, talented yes but far too over confident and causes us no amount of problems

we have lost too many good pro's over the years who know what the club is about (nevilles, brown, o'shea etc) now were stuck with a squad with no leaders what so ever, were crying out for a keane type player. the other night nani kicked the ball out when a easy pass was on to evra down the line, evra's response was to clap him, he needed a rollicking not a clap for well tried! i bet you nani wouldnt dare put in some of the sub standard performances he's does if he had keane breathing down his neck!

Keano would have probably snapped him a long time ago! Haha!

I still don't get why we sold O'Shea. Granted, we bought in Smalling and Jones, but O'Shea always gave his all and was a very handy utility option.

by Josiah Maiestas Fri 24 Aug 2012, 10:07 pm

I still don't get why we sold O'Shea. Granted, we bought in Smalling and Jones, but O'Shea always gave his all and was a very handy utility option.

For such an average athlete he was always very tough to play against, Man Utd were much less likely to have defensive breakdowns with him there, noticed that in the 4-4 with Everton.

by matth7 Sat 25 Aug 2012, 2:07 pm

Rooney on the bench, Van Persie starts.

by leslie case Sat 25 Aug 2012, 2:28 pm

united are great rooney is best

by matth7 Sat 25 Aug 2012, 7:10 pm

We won 3-2 debut goals for Van Persie and Kagawa, Rafael with the 3rd.

by Guest Sat 25 Aug 2012, 8:37 pm

Half time killed us today, way too casual in the second half. If we'd have pressed on after the break I truly believe Fulhams goal difference from last week would have been gone

Alot of positives still there although was a bit gutted to see Welbeck come on instead of Hernandez though

by matth7 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 12:36 pm

Jonny Evans has been named in Northern Ireland's squad for their world cup qualifiers next month.

by Liam Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:03 pm

Be nice to have Evans back, he was superb last season. We've got some very good youngsters at CB which is positive for the future. Rio is into his last 1/2 seasons imo, and Vidic is now in his 30's although pretty much prime for a CB.

Then, we have Smalling and Jones who look like being the future cb's for England and Utd, with Evans also in there, and last season did his chances of nailing down a starting place in the 11 no harm at all.

by Liam Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:17 pm

One of the reliable sources I follow on twitter, who has been almost spot on with everything so far, has come out and said Rooney wants to leave Utd and randomly wants to go to Everton. Obviously Everton can't afford him to he says its more likely Utd will hold out till January (cup tied/champions league etc) and may sell then for big money to Chelsea/City/Madrid.

Heard rumours him and SAF had another bust up pre-season but it is still a shock if this has substance to it. Would make sense now with the Van Persie buy. What does everyone think?

by GSC Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:23 pm

Don't he and Moyes hate each other?

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:24 pm

I've heard similar things, and it's why he was benched against Fulham as well.

I did have an inkling that maybe Van Persie was bought as a short term replacement for Rooney, but thought I was looking into it too deeply.

To be honest I think United will struggle to sell Rooney, as they'd obviously demand a huge transfer fee so £50 million+ for sure and I'm not sure any club needs or wants him that much.

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:24 pm

I don't believe the Everton stuff though, I imagine he probably would like to go back there and some point for some form of redemption, but I think that will just be paper talk.

I do however believe that he and SAF don't get on, and United could certainly try and sell him.

by Kay Fabe Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:31 pm

From a journo on Twitter it all stems from the 4-3-3 formation Ferguson now favours, Rooney doesn't like his role in that formation and has been quite vocal about how crap it is and how crap his role in it is, Rooney sees himself as the leading voice in the changing room these days

by Liam Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:42 pm

But the formation we played against Fulham is exactly what we've need to play for some time. Its one that I've wanted us to play for some time. It suits Van Persie to play as the lone striker, suits Kagawa as he is able to play in behind the striker and give us that extra bit in the final third that we've lacked. It also means though that the final piece in the jigsaw is a holding midfilder to play alongside Cleverly/Carrick/Scholes/Giggs/Anderson in the cm.

If we recieve 50m+ for Rooney I'd take that, I said it before when he wanted out. As much as I still believe he his by far and away our best player, he's not needed as much as he probably thinks. I'd love it if Madrid came calling, offered a stupid amount such as 50+. Then I'd reinvest that straight back to Madrid and Buy Higuain or, go after Llorente to give us something different.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:44 pm

The thing is with Rooney, in the big games recently he has been non existent.

For example, the two Manchester derbies and the Basel away game in the CL last season, games when Rooney needed to put in a performance for the team, and was non existent.

I would sell him for £50M+ just like you did Ronaldo

by Kay Fabe Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:45 pm

If Rooney is Man utd's best player then why play a formation that accomadates Van Persie and Kagawa? Why not play a formation designed to get the very best out of your best player, it doesn't make sense to me

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:46 pm

If we recieve 50m+ for Rooney I'd take that, I said it before when he wanted out. As much as I still believe he his by far and away our best player, he's not needed as much as he probably thinks. I'd love it if Madrid came calling, offered a stupid amount such as 50+. Then I'd reinvest that straight back to Madrid and Buy Higuain or, go after Llorente to give us something different.

That's the problem isn't it, who will play £50 million+ for him. While he is probably worth that in today's terms, no team really needs him.

There's also still those dark clouds over his head as a liability. He has fallen out a few times with Ferguson, he still has moments of stupidity (England vs. Montenegro) and his wages are ridiculously high.

I think Manchester City might buy him as an impact signing and to stick it to their rivals, but I have a feeling they've moved beyond that now. If they can win the Premier League again this year, they won't need to do petty things like that aka the Tevez and Hargreaves deals.

The temptation might be too strong for Madrid not to sign him despite not needing him as he is one of the world's biggest stars and reuniting him and Ronaldo might be too much to resist.

If I was any club though I wouldn't bother signing Rooney, he essentially demands to be the centre of his team but I'm not sure he's consistent enough to have that privilege. I have a lot of respect for SAF for making it clear that Rooney is just the same as every other member of his squad.

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:47 pm

the-gaffer wrote:If Rooney is Man utd's best player then why play a formation that accomadates Van Persie and Kagawa? Why not play a formation designed to get the very best out of your best player, it doesn't make sense to me

I think Ferguson probably believes that building a strong team is better than building a team around an inconsistent and still immature Rooney.

by Liam Tue 28 Aug 2012, 2:47 pm

the-gaffer wrote:If Rooney is Man utd's best player then why play a formation that accomadates Van Persie and Kagawa? Why not play a formation designed to get the very best out of your best player, it doesn't make sense to me

Because we did it last season and it didn't really work. Its clear football has moved on from the traditional 4-4-2, especially in Europe, where is where we were found out last season. Teams just picked us off and we had no answer. I've always said Utd need to play 4-2-3-1 with Kagawa in behind the CF.

by Guest Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:35 pm

- - - - - - -Van Persie- - - - - - - -

Young- - - -Kagawa - - -Valencia

- - -Carrick - - - -Cleverley- - - - -

Evra - -Ferdinand- Vidic - -Rafael

- - - - - - - -De Gea- - - - - - - - - -

There's your 4-2-3-1 without Rooney. Your central midfield 'defensively' is appaling and will be the undoing of you this season when the big games come around. Cleverley is still not good enough in my opinion and Young & Valencia are too inconsistant. Rafael is appaling defensively and he just hopes his attacking flair and odd goal masks over his defensive issues. I can't ever see Rooney being sold, it's ridiculous in my opinion. Still can't believe SAF hasn't bought a midfield powerhouse in the mould of Tiote or De Rossi.

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:38 pm

United could do with a Yaya Toure-esque player, I'm surprised Ferguson hasn't enquired about Fellaini especially after his performance against them. I suppose Everton won't need to sell, but even for £20 million they're getting a great player who they need.

by Liam Tue 28 Aug 2012, 3:40 pm

Well there was rumour we were going to sign Strootman as our holding midfielder. There's still time but its quite clear from what SAF has said that our transfer business, as far as bringing players in is concerned, is done for this year. Strootman would've have been the final piece of the puzzle if you like, yet again we have ignored the obvious need that we need a holding midfielder.

by TopHat24/7 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:01 pm

Can't see Rooney going abroad (English players are notably balls-less in this regard, symptomatic of a wider British ignorance) and only 2 clubs in England can afford him (Citeh/Chelski) of which I can only see City having an interesting in buying him (and funding his epic pay packet). Chelsea will look at what they got for £32m in Eden and think better of it.

United will want £50m+ but I think £35m is more realistic.

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:02 pm

When Torres went for £50 million, I don't think Rooney would leave for less than that.

by TopHat24/7 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:20 pm

Yes, but I don't think United will get that, is my point.

Especially as Torres was an epic failure at that price.

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:21 pm

I agree United won't get him for that, but I don't think they'd accept anything lower. If they can't get £50m+ they'd probably just try and reconcile things.

by lorus59 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:23 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:Can't see Rooney going abroad (English players are notably balls-less in this regard, symptomatic of a wider British ignorance) and only 2 clubs in England can afford him (Citeh/Chelski) of which I can only see City having an interesting in buying him (and funding his epic pay packet). Chelsea will look at what they got for £32m in Eden and think better of it.

United will want £50m+ but I think £35m is more realistic.

But Joey Barton has his heart set on Marseille.

by Smirnoffpriest Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:39 pm

Yeah they def wouldn't get £50m for Rooney IMO. And seems mad that Rooney wants out after throwing his toys out of his pram not so long ago just to get a bigger pay packet.

by The Special Juan Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:48 pm

I'll believe it when I see it.

by GSC Tue 28 Aug 2012, 4:52 pm

They'd get 50m

by Smirnoffpriest Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:01 pm

From who?

by GSC Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:10 pm

Somebody would stump it up or offer players in return etc.

United have leverage, RVP up top and Rooney tied down long term.

by TopHat24/7 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:11 pm

GSC wrote:Somebody would stump it up or offer players in return etc.

United have leverage, RVP up top and Rooney tied down long term.

That doesn't really answer the question tho, does it? Who would pay £50m+ for Rooney?

by GSC Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:16 pm

Madrid could next summer or offer Higuain/Benzema in return, Juve always in the market for a striker, Bayern could pair him and Gomez etc.

It ain't going to happen before next summer, but things change p quickly

by Smirnoffpriest Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:21 pm

I can't see Juve affording £50m for any player, much less Rooney - can't see Rooney going to Germany.

And I don't think Rooney is worth £50m and neither do a lot of people on this thread it appears. And although Real could offer Higuain/Benezema in return to bump the fee up to the £50m mark, there are a lot of cheaper options who don't have such bumper wage demands

by TopHat24/7 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:26 pm

Madrid might, but I don't see Rooney leaving England in a million years. He's the epitomy of chav and the thought of leaving blighty probably disgusts him.

by GSC Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:26 pm

Ronaldo wasn't worth 80m. RVP wasn't worth 24m given the circumstances. Very few times when you buy a big players you ain't going to be overpaying.

by **Crimey** Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:30 pm

Smirnoffpriest wrote:I can't see Juve affording £50m for any player, much less Rooney - can't see Rooney going to Germany.

And I don't think Rooney is worth £50m and neither do a lot of people on this thread it appears. And although Real could offer Higuain/Benezema in return to bump the fee up to the £50m mark, there are a lot of cheaper options who don't have such bumper wage demands

If Torres goes for £50 then Rooney will, Rooney has a better scoring record in England than Torres did.

by TopHat24/7 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:32 pm

More goals than games in every season he's played with them and taking them to their first La Liga title in 4 seasons plus revenues from shirt-sales and sponsorship which are probably only bettered than Beckham there - I think £80m wasn't too over the top.

by GSC Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:34 pm

Its 25m more than anybody else.

Yes hes a fantastic player but they definitely overpaid lol.

by TopHat24/7 Tue 28 Aug 2012, 5:34 pm

GSC wrote:Ronaldo wasn't worth 80m. RVP wasn't worth 24m given the circumstances. Very few times when you buy a big players you ain't going to be overpaying.

The only 'circumstances' that define whether £24m was too much or too little are whether United get a full season out of him. If they do then £24m is a great price, if they only get 4 months then it was an expensive mistake.

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