Man Utd thread

by Liam Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

There are a few Utd fans like myself on the board but like the LFC one set up, everyone are welcome to discuss Utd's results and news etc..

Playing Barca tomorrow night, only a pre-season game but would like to see Kagwa given a run out tomorrow night see what he's got against the best.

by Stella Tue 14 May 2013, 1:02 pm

Zaha might do ok but £15 million???

by Guest Tue 14 May 2013, 1:06 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:
John wrote:Valencia is just the worst winger I've probably ever seen...

And Obertan is in your team

Haha yeah. But we dont play him every game unlike Fergie. Obertan plays once every couple of months. Both shocking players, that all we need to know.

by compelling and rich Tue 14 May 2013, 3:25 pm

valenica has had one bad season, dont recall him being the "worst" winger ever when he was leading the assist charts for us setting rooney up all the time. certainly nowhere near as bad as obertan or guiterez who does play most games!!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 14 May 2013, 3:28 pm

Stella wrote:Zaha might do ok but £15 million???

One for the future you'd think. Kids got world class potential

by NickisBHAFC Tue 14 May 2013, 3:33 pm

15 Milion is way way to much. Yes he took his goals well last night, but Tom Ince or even Buckley would of done the same, given the poor defending by us.

He is over rated. His attitude stinks, when things don't go his way he acts like a selfish little kid in the play ground. He will find it a lot harder in the prem.

Admittedly he does have a lot of skills and can place a good cross. It will be interesting, but United fans i wouldn't get your hopes up.

by Stella Tue 14 May 2013, 3:35 pm

World class? Not sure what your definition of that is but I don't see it.

by RubyGuby Tue 14 May 2013, 4:00 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:
He is over rated. His attitude stinks, when things don't go his way he acts like a selfish little kid in the play ground.

Sounds like he was destined for United or Chelsea on that profile - Wayne Rooney number 2 come forth thumbsup

by Liam Tue 14 May 2013, 6:40 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:15 Milion is way way to much. Yes he took his goals well last night, but Tom Ince or even Buckley would of done the same, given the poor defending by us.

He is over rated. His attitude stinks, when things don't go his way he acts like a selfish little kid in the play ground. He will find it a lot harder in the prem.

Admittedly he does have a lot of skills and can place a good cross. It will be interesting, but United fans i wouldn't get your hopes up.

He's one for the future. All that matters is that at the moment he has allot of potential and this can be harnessed at utd. Same was said about Ronaldo and look how he turned out. I'm comparing their attitudes and how utd did and could handle them not saying Zaha can become as good as Ronaldo for the record.

by sparxz Sun 26 May 2013, 12:13 pm

I think if palace are promoted tomorrow, then zaha should have another season on loan at a club he knows to get a year of proper premier league experience scrapping at the bottom, will do him the world of good for the future.

by The Special Juan Sun 26 May 2013, 2:12 pm

I hope Utd use him and if not stick him out on loan. Hopefully Nani is moved on and Zaha comes straight into the team but I wouldn't want him wasting away like Powell in the reserves.

by Ent Tue 28 May 2013, 2:56 pm

Moyes watch.

He's sacked phelan and Eric Steele, muelensteen was offered a demotion and left, the chief scout has also gone.

He looks to be bringing in his everton staff plus phil Neville.

Thoughts?

by TopHat24/7 Tue 28 May 2013, 3:02 pm

Think the team he's got rid of are better than the one he's bringing in, but arugably it had to be done otherwise he's just Moyes working with Fergie's men.

by compelling and rich Tue 28 May 2013, 4:03 pm

never been a massive fan of phelan. always thought we were much better when carlos queiroz was the number two. shame about rene from what ive heard he's a very good coach.

while phil is a sensible lad he was a pretty average player, not sure what he'll be like as a coach. think scholes and giggs are the ones we can hope they can pass on any ouch of there ability/professionalism to the players coming through

think moyes needs to be his own man and that means bringing his own staff in, just hope we dont see any of the god awful long ball they played to fellani and anicabe that they played a lot when playing us

by Ent Tue 28 May 2013, 4:39 pm

Fergie was no mug and had phelan as first team coach from 01 and assistant manager from 08, had a good report with the players etc

Eric Steele was goalkeeping coach when we set all those records with vds in goal and has helped de gea improve a lot this year.

Just sad really we had quite a backroom team at the club.

by RubyGuby Tue 28 May 2013, 4:56 pm

Fergies backroom staff would have been saying, "that's not the way we used to do it." Moyes is right to get his own team in the background and the Utd fans need to move on - This is a new era thumbsup

by Ent Tue 28 May 2013, 6:26 pm

The players are more likely to be saying that than professional coaches who would adapt to roles given.

I don't know how bringing in a load of guys with no European experience never mind experience of winning anything is going to sit with a squad full of winners.

Personally I think it's a big mistake getting rid of so much of the staff at the same time, we've essentially lost 6 of the key non playing staff that led us to sustained success on and off the pitch in a matter of weeks!

by DP Tue 28 May 2013, 10:22 pm

It was always going to happen, wasn't it?

RubyGuby has it spot on. Moyes has to do his own thing to at least dispell some of the inevitable comparison's that would be made.

I'd have liked Meulensteen to have stayed, more than anyone as he was a very good coach, but we have to trust Moyes and if that includes accepting his changes, then it looks like we might have to stomach it.

Let's not get too hasty anyway, let's make a partial judgement when he's actually started the job.

by Ent Tue 28 May 2013, 10:43 pm

Not really, the whole buzz around the club was that mourinho wasn't wanted as he would want his own entire staff and get rid of a lot of the structure fergie had put into place. Now moyes is doing it- so much for stability.

I've such a bad feeling this is all going to go horribly wrong and he isn't even officially contracted yet!

by RubyGuby Wed 29 May 2013, 10:48 am

Ent - You have such a negative view of Moyes and what he is doing. Have you forgotten who recommended him, the same fella who would be supporting these moves. Moyes is a strong intelligent leader and it's time to get rid of the old for a new future. Mourinho was never in the running for the Utd job - He is an ego driven 2-3 season manager at best. Why can't you give Moyes a chance here. Phelan et al have ridden on the back of the main man for years; their roles are relatively straight forward, the last thing that Moyes needs is Fergies ghosts in the cupboard. thumbsup

by TopHat24/7 Wed 29 May 2013, 11:18 am

We need patience here. 3 yrs to get a team he wants performing the way he wants and delivering trophies. Don't want an Arsenal like void or a Liverpool like fall from grace but if Moyes doesn't win the EPL in his first 2 seasons (or other big trophy) I hope the bandwagon brigade don't jump on his back and clamour to get him out.

by Guest Wed 29 May 2013, 11:33 am

It's clear though that Strootman is not being signed by Moyes. This deal was already in the pipeline, it was just the timing needed to be right for both parties and now it appears it is. I really thought they would give Moyes and huge marquee signing to welcome him to the club and get him going. Could still happen but I mean Strootman (compared to Gareth Barry by Advocaat lol), Fellaini or Baines are hardly out of this world, take you to another level signings. Your relying on these youngsters to come through but last year United were not great, I just worry this year you might get found out without Fergie holding the reigns.

by Ent Wed 29 May 2013, 11:40 am

RubyGuby wrote:Ent - You have such a negative view of Moyes and what he is doing. Have you forgotten who recommended him, the same fella who would be supporting these moves. Moyes is a strong intelligent leader and it's time to get rid of the old for a new future. Mourinho was never in the running for the Utd job - He is an ego driven 2-3 season manager at best. Why can't you give Moyes a chance here. Phelan et al have ridden on the back of the main man for years; their roles are relatively straight forward, the last thing that Moyes needs is Fergies ghosts in the cupboard.

I appreciate his attributes and his potential however I very much dislike his gutting of the backroom staff in favour of people who haven't achieved as much in the game.

Realistically it is difficult to win trophies in modern times due to the spending power of many clubs but he needs to challenge closely whilst playing good football and going far in the cups.

The pl is suffering a dip in quality but he is inheriting a championship winning squad full of proven winners.

by compelling and rich Wed 29 May 2013, 12:05 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:We need patience here. 3 yrs to get a team he wants performing the way he wants and delivering trophies. Don't want an Arsenal like void or a Liverpool like fall from grace but if Moyes doesn't win the EPL in his first 2 seasons (or other big trophy) I hope the bandwagon brigade don't jump on his back and clamour to get him out.

I agree with this, although we need to be challenging for trophys at least and playing some decent football. Fans will soon turn on him if not

by The Special Juan Wed 29 May 2013, 1:03 pm

The Community Shield is a no-win situation. If he wins it, everyone says "Oh it's only Wigan" and he gets no extra time to work with if things go slightly sour early on. If he loses it the press and the plastics immediately get on his back and he probably loses a bit of time. I'd like to wait until the season starts before I complain about the demise of Man Utd Rolling Eyes

by Guest Wed 29 May 2013, 1:57 pm

His minimum would be a top 2 finish in the league (when did united not achieve that), second round champions league and at least a win in the f.a cup or league cup.

anything less and pressure would be on.

by TopHat24/7 Wed 29 May 2013, 2:12 pm

That attitude won't get United anywhere, IMO. Would've got Sir Alex sacked for example.

Consistent top 4 finishes, good cup run, at least one trinket in 3 yrs and second round Champs League 2 out of 3 years would be enough for me.

However from that point it needs to step up a notch as that's plenty time for the manager, his team and his philosophies/style to bed in at the new club. = back to Fergie expectation levels.

by **Crimey** Wed 29 May 2013, 2:20 pm

I would have thought top 3 is the expectation, probably to be challenging for the league for most of the season as well. I think Chelsea will be quite strong next year, so they'll be competing for the title too which will make Moyes job harder, I expect City to respond stronger next year as well.

United shouldn't be slipped anywhere near just fighting for a Top 4 place, I imagine that'll be left to Tottenham, Arsenal and Liverpool.

I think a cup run would be good, but it's hard to ever place expectation on cup runs as they can be so unpredictable. I'd have thought as long as the exit from the competition is a justifiable one, Moyes won't really be judged on it. If he doesn't win the league, a cup win would certainly be a good way of keeping people on his side though.

Champions League is the most difficult area to judge, as the last two years Ferguson has hardly got the best of United in Europe anyway. Moyes has very little European experience as well, and United knew this when they selected him so he might get a little more leeway in Europe, but you'd have hoped to get out of the group is the expectation with quarters to be seen as a good achievement.

To be honest, barring a disaster such as dropping out of the Top 4, I can't see Moyes getting sacked for at least 3-4 years. As long as he keeps United challenging for the title and doing relatively well in Europe he'll be fine. I can imagine he'll want a title win within his first two years though to calm people's fears. Especially with Mourinho likely to be back at Chelsea who managed to get the better of Ferguson while at Chelsea.

by compelling and rich Wed 29 May 2013, 7:11 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:That attitude won't get United anywhere, IMO. Would've got Sir Alex sacked for example.

Consistent top 4 finishes, good cup run, at least one trinket in 3 yrs and second round Champs League 2 out of 3 years would be enough for me.

However from that point it needs to step up a notch as that's plenty time for the manager, his team and his philosophies/style to bed in at the new club. = back to Fergie expectation levels.

the biggest difference there tophat is moyes is inheriting the best team in the league, fergie hadn't and to build one of his own. united resources and spending power are also much better than they are when fergie took over, as a result there is more expectation on him

if/when mourinho takes over as chelsea i except them to be favourites, already a very strong team just messing around with managers this season has cost them. city we should still be targeting because who knows how prawn linguine will get on, and if the likes of arsenal/spurs etc beat us then we have gone massively backwards as they are quite a distance away from us at the moment. i expect top two challenging chelsea and maybe city. anything less is unacceptable imo

by Guest Wed 29 May 2013, 7:14 pm

Slight change of subject but anyone know anything about Thiago Alcantara?

by compelling and rich Wed 29 May 2013, 7:18 pm

gazzyD wrote:Slight change of subject but anyone know anything about Thiago Alcantara?

know as in transfer rumours or whats he like as a player?

only heard a couple of rumblings over transfers, but as a player always thought he looked class. when he was at the under 21's he was the standout player. seems to have gone quite since then although he hasn't got the easiest of midfields to break into

by RubyGuby Thu 30 May 2013, 12:37 pm

[quote="compelling and rich"]

gazzyD wrote:Slight change of subject but anyone know anything about Thiago Alcantara?

I understand he's taking over from Leather as the seating of choice in most luxury cars - Often a headliner as well thumbsup

by Guest Thu 30 May 2013, 1:08 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
gazzyD wrote:Slight change of subject but anyone know anything about Thiago Alcantara?

know as in transfer rumours or whats he like as a player?

only heard a couple of rumblings over transfers, but as a player always thought he looked class. when he was at the under 21's he was the standout player. seems to have gone quite since then although he hasn't got the easiest of midfields to break into

it was as a player mate as I seen we had been linked with him and wondered if he were any good.

See on BBC sportsday today its reporting Galatasaray officials are potentially interested in Nani

by Trebs Fri 07 Jun 2013, 6:53 pm

Any United fans interested in this?

https://www.facebook.com/SpottedOldTrafford?sk=page_insights

by Guest Fri 07 Jun 2013, 11:08 pm

Cabaye linked. Was poor for us second half of season and at 27 or 28 I'd take £15m right now.

by Guest Sat 08 Jun 2013, 9:47 am

I would be very disappointed if there was any truth in this rumour

by Guest Wed 19 Jun 2013, 10:09 am

Horrible start to the season that

by TopHat24/7 Wed 19 Jun 2013, 10:29 am

Rio raving about Thiago last night, rumours in the paper this morning - this is the kind of player we should be investing in!

Ledwonowski appears to be staying where he is tho.....

by Guest Wed 19 Jun 2013, 1:01 pm

Not really fussed on Lewandowski. Granted he looks a quality player but he's publically stated his willingness to move to bayern so he would already be unsettled if we did pursue him

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 19 Jun 2013, 1:18 pm

Not really sure it's a dreadful start to the season

You got two away games against lower end top half teams, and even then Swansea are in turmoil a bit, and Liverpool are about to lose their star player

Chelsea is at home, would back Utd anyday

by Ent Wed 19 Jun 2013, 5:32 pm

Ah Olly, we've a 1-0 win (defensive error) and a draw away to Swansea. Tough game.

Chelsea at home under Jose very tough.

Away to Liverpool always a huge game no matter their state, moyes never won there.

Couldn't have made it much worse barring 3 away games in a row

by Ent Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:26 pm

Looks like Baines and thiago for £35 million.

Would we be happy with that as our summer shopping?

by Bull Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:29 pm

source?

by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:39 pm

Most newspapers...

I'd like to see Strootman added in to that Ent. Think we need a bit more steel on occasions in midfield. See a Strootman/Thiago midfield working better then Carrick/Thiago.

Baines be a great signing if we can shift Evra off to PSG/Monaco for 12-15m. Upgrade at left back whom we could get another 4/5 years out off and cash neutral. Wouldn't say no to that!

by compelling and rich Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:50 pm

Id be happy with that. Would sell rooney then with rvp as our main striker with kagawa or thiago in behind.

Carrick thiago
Kagawa
Rvp

Looks very strong central spine to me, with the likes of cleverly rotated in and hernadez and wellbeck coming in at home when we might attack more with two strikers. Won't believe the thiago deal till I see him in the shirt though

by The Special Juan Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:52 pm

Bull wrote:source?

Every blinkin' newspaper report since the end of the season I imagine.

by Bull Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:53 pm

yeah "newspaper" call me when its confirmed lol until then we wait.

by Bull Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:54 pm

Is it not Moyes interview thing tomro? if so could a player be revealed or signed etc

by Ent Sun 30 Jun 2013, 3:58 pm

Very heavily rumoured but no guarantee of course.

I'd like another body in midfield, don't buy this dm nonsense though.

Strootman I can't see happening, been rumoured for years with no substance to it.

Baines I've mixed feelings, £18 million would be far too much and he can't really defend. Evra had a good last 6 months and plays a hell of a lot of games. He'll be better this season after a summer off.

by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 30 Jun 2013, 4:03 pm

Evra can't defend either these days. Hasn't the pace anymore to cover for his runs forward. If he can be shifted to France for 12-15m your looking at 3-6m for a big upgrade at LB. Baines created the 2nd most goal chances in all of Europe last year.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun 30 Jun 2013, 4:08 pm

Bit of a myth that Baines cant defend as well.

He's not like Glen Johnson

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