Cut the nose to spite the face

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Did they just cut the nose to spite the face ?

Yes indeed ECB cut their nose to spite their face.

With 7000 runs, 88 tests @ 50+ average, a big 100 in his last overseas innings in Lanka to keep England hanging in as No. 1 and another big hundred in what was defnitely his LAST test to yet again keep them hanging by a flimsy thread as No.1....KP's status as their biggest superstar in the last 3 decades and a legend in English cricket is already confirmed.


The intent obviously was to "hit back and hurt back".......instead of finding ways to reconcile and move forward.
Unfortunately ECB's timing was as bad as their intent.
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If it was repraminding and putting down a newbie with 20 odd tests and 1500 runs.....then ECB's intent to "hit back and hurt" may have worked.......but here they have probably added martyrdom to an exisiting superstardom.

KP could have finished with 9000 or even 10,000 runs in the next 3 years....even without those extra 2,000 runs runs..nothing changes in his standing as a cricketer...the loser is English cricket.

An extraordinary batsman, who served England well for long, a flawed genius who acknowledged his flawed emotionalism and one who took severeal steps towards reconcillation....the super star who was made a martyr today by the bureaucrats who did a classic " cut their nose to spite their own face"......is how history would sum it up when dust settles over this issue.

Well Pietersen has had to do everything asked of him to make up for behaving like a prize Holly Wilaboobie - having done it he is now back in the squad.

yep in foir india!!

Hallelujah!

Great news and I'm now very much looking forward to England's tour of India.

I am also delighted that I won't be subjected to any of Duty's embarrassing "England to Glory" threads in the cricket section for the foreseeable future.

So the saga has reached an end... for now.

What happened to Duty anyway? Die of bordem from watching the England football team?

God i hope that this is fully resolved now and they can simply focus on the cricket from now on

The BBC are screwed though, wont be able to make article after article after article about KP now.

Let's just hope he is the same as he was before the axing. You never know, episodes like this can have detrimental effects on a player. If he doesn't feel as able to express himself on the field, or if the pressure and scrutiny upon him is unbearable, then he may be a diminished batsman. Let us hope not.

I'm still here lads. Probably hang around till November, KP makes a bad score and gets heavily criticised on this board and then have a good laugh. People forget that he was once the most heavily criticised player on this board, iand n his absence KP has been turned into the second coming of Don Bradman. Won't be supporting the English cricket team that's for sure, run by a spineless bunch of cowards who want a mercenary in the side. If KP is reading this, highly doubtful to be fair, then I just want to say feck off and leave our team alone. Take your IPL millions and retire. We all know he won't be going on the New Zealand tour, he'll be raking in the millions in the IPL. Gutless decision by the ECB. Hope India smash us 4-0.

Come on duty, its england pal

Jaysus Duty

mystiroakey wrote:Come on duty, its england pal

The ECB have just sold this team down the river to a mercenary. Listen to this:

""Kevin will join up with the squad as soon as his Champions League commitments are complete."

What the Hell? This is playing for your country, nothing should take a higher priority barring family or personal commitments. Not with Kev though, it's all about the money.

yeah well.. I still gotta support england dude! I am no fair weather fan- and neither are you- Your just gutted at the mo!

Hibbz wrote:Hallelujah!

Great news and I'm now very much looking forward to England's tour of India.

I am also delighted that I won't be subjected to any of Duty's embarrassing "England to Glory" threads in the cricket section for the foreseeable future.

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it Mr.German.

England aren't playing during the CLT20...he will be playing actual competitive cricket against world class bowlers, which is arguably of greater benefit than a training camp in Dubai.

You say the ECB are spineless, but so is the batting line-up without our best batsman. He may well have a bad tour of India, but likewise he could well have an absolute barnstormer of a tour. There aren't many players with the ability to do that, so he simply had to be picked. He's a match winner...they're needed in India.

I think you just don't like the man duty...probably because he is 50% South African if your previous posts are anything to go by...and that should not cloud the fact that the ECB handled the whole affair appallingly after a bit of daft behaviour from KP, and he should never have been out for this long anyway if it had all been sorted in proper fashion at the time.

The return of the messiah!

He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.

Is there anyone that could be picked for the England football team that would stop you from supporting them Duty? Aren't they all pretty mercenary?

Fists of Fury wrote:England aren't playing during the CLT20...he will be playing actual competitive cricket against world class bowlers, which is arguably of greater benefit than a training camp in Dubai.

You say the ECB are spineless, but so is the batting line-up without our best batsman. He may well have a bad tour of India, but likewise he could well have an absolute barnstormer of a tour. There aren't many players with the ability to do that, so he simply had to be picked. He's a match winner...they're needed in India.

I think you just don't like the man duty...probably because he is 50% South African if your previous posts are anything to go by...and that should not cloud the fact that the ECB handled the whole affair appallingly after a bit of daft behaviour from KP, and he should never have been out for this long anyway if it had all been sorted in proper fashion at the time.

1) Surely a training camp preparing him for the conditions of the India tour with his team-mates is better than hit and giggle.

2) I'd rather England were bottom of the Test Rankings without KP, than top of the Test Rankings with KP.

3) Nationality has nowt to do with it. I've nothing against Strauss or Prior.

Hibbz wrote:The return of the messiah!

He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.

Is there anyone that could be picked for the England football team that would stop you from supporting them Duty? Aren't they all pretty mercenary?

Maybe Joey Barton. Yes all footballers are mercenaries, but they don't turn down the opportunity to play for their country so they can make extra money abroad in the Middle East or Russia.

Duty, i am not a great fan of KP but he is a very good batsman and for that reason alone i feel he should travel. If the rest of the team and management are happy then who are we to argue?

Ha Ha Ha....THat's probably what KP is doing right now...
It's called having the last laugh....

Was on contract and getting paid by Eng...
Got the break that he yearned for ...
Saw Flower eat humble pie, and Collier beg apology publicly...
Public sympathy and support as Eng lost No. 1 and trounced in w'cup
And on top of it all made a Million dollar from the commentary stint, and another half a million fron clt20, because of not being selected for Eng

Meh.

Without going into details the rumour is that Cook had a lot to do with this.

The England management have consistently put the message across that they wanted to see actions from Pietersen showing his commitment. By signing a 4 month (so shorter) contract and holding much needed "clear the air" talks they are happy that so far he's done that. With that in mind, I have no issues with them picking him - as I suggested when the 4-month contract was first touted (and rejected originally) it is effectively a probation period; I didn't get this fuss about "rehabilitation", I suspect it was merely a poor choice of wording.

Mind you, I also have no issues with how the management have handled much of the saga. After the Headingley events Pietersen made his position in the side untenable. Rather than trying to rush him back in, the management were IMO entirely correct to let time do some healing, heads do some cooling - whilst it may have been harmful in the short term, trying to rush things immediately would probably have just made things worse, and probably ended up in (at least) one hell of a messy court case.

As things stand, Pietersen has done the right thing (i.e. stop bleating and making demands, and moaning about being picked on when you've behaved abominably, as well as sign the contract and hold these talks), and the management have made the correct response by adding him to the tour party (which I'd always said was a possible outcome to the 4-month contract offer, if Pietersen did the right thing).

Win-win for everyone.

Fans who choose not to support a country based on who they have or haven't picked are IMO a bit silly, but as with Shanky's sudden and complete switch of alliance to India, it is entirely up to them.

Does anyone know when James Taylor's re-integration finishes so he can be picked too?

Good to see some sense at last.
I hope Pietersen takes motivation from this attempted humiliation, and make a few bigmouths in that setup shut up. I am a bit concerned he might just be taking it all out on our poor lacklustre bowling though!.
And a job well done to the England captain Alastair Cook for showing he has the team's larger cricketing interests as his priority rather than stupid egoistic childish settling of scores. I hope that would be added reason for Kevin to play for his captain and the team he leads.
I also hope KP puts a bit more of his thinking cap and becomes more careful with the kind of advisers that he selects.
I hope Andy Flower would use his authority to build a strong cricket team rather than acting as some afghan style warlord leading a particular section within it.
I hope Stuart Broad would maintain his newfound sense and sensibility.
I hope Graeme Swann would focus more on reaching back his peak as an outstanding offy . I hope all the kids in that change room would grow up and learn to put personal differences to one side and play quality cricket together and when I say this I include a bit of Pietersen as well.
I hope they all use social media as good social beings and not as antisocial ones.
I hope the truce would stay its course and won't get derailed due to any kind of pettiness from either side.
Now who has come out with his reputation enhanced during this entire saga? For me it is Alastair Cook.

Duty281 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Come on duty, its england pal

The ECB have just sold this team down the river to a mercenary. Listen to this:

""Kevin will join up with the squad as soon as his Champions League commitments are complete."

What the Hell? This is playing for your country, nothing should take a higher priority barring family or personal commitments. Not with Kev though, it's all about the money.

He's a centrally contracted player, if the ECB wanted him to leave the Champions League early he'd be contractually obligated to do so, so you should be blaming the ECB, not KP.

he is blaming the ecb chrisss

Mike Selig wrote:Meh.

Without going into details the rumour is that Cook had a lot to do with this.

The England management have consistently put the message across that they wanted to see actions from Pietersen showing his commitment. By signing a 4 month (so shorter) contract and holding much needed "clear the air" talks they are happy that so far he's done that. With that in mind, I have no issues with them picking him - as I suggested when the 4-month contract was first touted (and rejected originally) it is effectively a probation period; I didn't get this fuss about "rehabilitation", I suspect it was merely a poor choice of wording.

Mind you, I also have no issues with how the management have handled much of the saga. After the Headingley events Pietersen made his position in the side untenable. Rather than trying to rush him back in, the management were IMO entirely correct to let time do some healing, heads do some cooling - whilst it may have been harmful in the short term, trying to rush things immediately would probably have just made things worse, and probably ended up in (at least) one hell of a messy court case.

As things stand, Pietersen has done the right thing (i.e. stop bleating and making demands, and moaning about being picked on when you've behaved abominably, as well as sign the contract and hold these talks), and the management have made the correct response by adding him to the tour party (which I'd always said was a possible outcome to the 4-month contract offer, if Pietersen did the right thing).

Win-win for everyone.

Fans who choose not to support a country based on who they have or haven't picked are IMO a bit silly, but as with Shanky's sudden and complete switch of alliance to India, it is entirely up to them.

I will probably be a neutral now for this series. 2-2 would be an ideal result though if I were forced to support a team, I'd still support India.

Duty281 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Come on duty, its england pal

The ECB have just sold this team down the river to a mercenary. Listen to this:

""Kevin will join up with the squad as soon as his Champions League commitments are complete."

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when you buy a mercenary....you get a mercenary.
ECB is in the business of buying mercenariers
b.t.w
KP is less a mercenary than Flower......the former has atleast represented only one country

Nice to see Duty talking "sense" as always.

I've always been an admirer of Pietersen the batsman but not the man himself.

For the sake of fairness, only right to report that I attended a Surrey members' forum this evening. Acting captain Gareth Batty paid tribute to the ''exceptional support'' given by Pietersen to him and ''even more the younger players'' in the last few weeks of the season when he became available for Surrey.

I still suspect things will end in tears - as they normally do with Pietersen - but a better judge than me is clearly saying that's not the case currently.

Fists of Fury wrote:England aren't playing during the CLT20...he will be playing actual competitive cricket against world class bowlers, which is arguably of greater benefit than a training camp in Dubai.

You say the ECB are spineless, but so is the batting line-up without our best batsman. He may well have a bad tour of India, but likewise he could well have an absolute barnstormer of a tour. There aren't many players with the ability to do that, so he simply had to be picked. He's a match winner...they're needed in India.

I think you just don't like the man duty...probably because he is 50% South African if your previous posts are anything to go by...and that should not cloud the fact that the ECB handled the whole affair appallingly after a bit of daft behaviour from KP, and he should never have been out for this long anyway if it had all been sorted in proper fashion at the time.

I do tend to agree Fists that we need him back, but to say it was a bit of a daft behaviour from KP is a huge understatement imo.

Going around insulting your captain to the opposition, provoked or otherwise, is surely a massive no-no in a team sport, particularly towards a man who clearly would have had no involvement with things like a KP-parody account, one of the things that riled KP, and is a hugely respected figure in the game.

For me, KP has been every bit as bad as the ECB in this whole affair, particularly as in my view he was the one who put them in the situation anyway. First thing he should be doing is dropping Piers Morgan a message, perhaps a BBM , telling him his services as a KP-Propaganda machine and media advisor are no longer needed and he can stick to tweeting garbage about GB athletes or Arsenal and other self-important rubbish.

As you may have guessed, not Morgan's biggest fan.

England would allow any other player that was involved in the CLT20 to play that over the training camp too... just that Morgan wasn't picked by KKR, and Bresnan and Bairstow are both nursing niggles.

Were there an injury doubt over KP they'd be perfectly within their rights to pull him out.

I think Fredye Flintoff has got it write.

"Former England captain Andrew Flintoff has predicted a successful reintegration into the team for Kevin Pietersen, saying the batsman will draw strength from recent adversity when England tour India in November. Flintoff said Pietersen had a track record of responding to strife with good performances, and expected him to turn the misgivings from his exile from the team into runs for England.


"When people get on Kevin's case he comes out swinging and scores runs," Flintoff told BBC Sport. "I think Alastair Cook might benefit from this. He might get KP at his best."
Pietersen first showed a tendency to be steeled rather than weakened by adversity in an ODI series in South Africa in 2005, when he made three hundreds and a 75 despite crowds in his former nation treating him with hostility. In August this year, he made 149 against South Africa at Headingley, just as his deteriorating relationship with the England team began to play out in the media.


"When Kevin's got a point to prove, he usually proves it with the bat," Flintoff said. "We saw that when he came into the international game in South Africa and he just kept scoring hundreds. In his last innings, he got a hundred at Headingley and saved England."


Flintoff also said Pietersen was invaluable to England's cause, and that efforts needed to be made to smooth over differences given his considerable ability. In April this year, Pietersen made 151 in Colombo to help end a five-Test away losing streak for England.


"I think his qualities as a player outweigh everything. Like everyone else he needs a bit of encouragement," Flintoff said. "When you are as good as he is, you need an arm round the shoulder and you need the backing of the team. He is different, but if you want Kevin the player, you have Kevin [the person as well]. If he starts scoring runs and England win, it will quickly be forgotten."


Flintoff expected Pietersen's reintegration into the team to be more difficult for some of his team-mates. Graeme Swann and James Anderson were thought to have had issues with Pietersen, with Swann having criticised Pietersen's captaincy in a book released last year. Swann, Anderson and Stuart Broad all denied being party to a parody Twitter account making fun of Pietersen.


"I think Kev will be fine," Flintoff said. "It might be a bit more uncomfortable for some of the others who have not been too kind in books, in paper reports and in interviews. Everyone's got an ego. Maybe there are a few clashing in that dressing-room at the minute and they just need to put them to one side and carry on.".
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/587391.html

Brit Insurance withdraws sponsorship for the eng crickt team.
second sponsor to deser them in the last 3 months.

Sponsors are not happy with the declining rankings of Englsh cricket...and terribly annoyed with ECB for the ouster of the biggest crowd pulling star

heck...who cares...atleast they are a loving and hugging happy dressing room

I suspect that sponsor withdrawal is more to do with the general state of the economy than team performance.

so it beocmes more clear me now why Strauss was finding it difficult to bring KP back as a captain


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/oct/22/andrew-strauss-kevin-pietersen-england?newsfeed=true


Andrew Strauss warns England over Kevin Pietersen's return

• Lasting reconciliation 'will be difficult'
• Strauss reveals he did not write letter of thanks to batsman

Andrew Strauss has said that Kevin Pietersen's reconciliation with England during next month's Test series in India will be "difficult" and "tough". In an exclusive interview with the Guardian the recently retired England captain warned that, if dressing room conflict lingers, "a real problem" will ensue.

when we look back we see....

1)Strauss....still bitter and trying to throw hurdles in the return
2)Broad....who didn't have ther courage to own up the Twitter parody
3)Swann.....can't hide his envy for KP..spills over inspite of his best efforts to conceal
4)Flower.....knew all...but throuhg silence and inaction patronized the above 3.

KP..the last english super star who took them all openly, publicly, chest on.....and won

How the f did he win. He thought he was bigger than the team, that he could behave like a prize Holly Wilaboobie, that he could play for England whenever it fitted arounhd other big money making opportunities - and he was wrong. I do not agree with ALL the humiliating things he had to do to get back in - but he had to do everything asked of him.

Kevin Pietersen is a talented but seriously over-rated player.

Jeez every time I think about coming on here to discuss cricket - there you are spouting your tripe.

How the feck is this thread still going? First time I've seen a WUM thread last 18 pages.

LondonTiger wrote:How the f did he win. He thought he was bigger than the team, that he could behave like a prize Holly Wilaboobie, that he could play for England whenever it fitted arounhd other big money making opportunities - and he was wrong. I do not agree with ALL the humiliating things he had to do to get back in - but he had to do everything asked of him.

Kevin Pietersen is a talented but seriously over-rated player.

Jeez every time I think about coming on here to discuss cricket - there you are spouting your tripe.

ECB did make him do notional rub the nose in public domain...
but he held all the aces in his hands....
was on their pay roll
did a million dollar commentary stint...
half a million dollar CLT20
threatended them with legal action.....
and got his contrcat before the old one expired......
got a break...made 1.5 million dollars......saw ECB and Eng lose No.1 ranking and thrashed in world cup...and be blamed for it........made a legal threat that counted....and got back for the important India tour....
ECB won some notional points that mean nothing.........KP won all that mattered

Duty281 wrote:How the feck is this thread still going? First time I've seen a WUM thread last 18 pages.

My friend you real anger is at seeing "him" win the battle

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:How the feck is this thread still going? First time I've seen a WUM thread last 18 pages.

My friend you real anger is at seeing "him" win the battle

*Begin Sarcasm*

The mercenary has won the battle? That's why he's only been given a 4 month contract and being forced to reintegrate with the team. Cause he won the battle.

*End Sarcasm*

KP to play for England tomorrow
Reintegration Process Successful

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/588689.html

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Kevin Pietersen is set to return to England duty for the first time since July in the opening match of their tour of India. Pietersen has not played for England since the second Test against South Africa at Headingley but is back to bat at No. 4 against India A in a three-day match in Mumbai.

Pietersen's inclusion suggests the reintegration process, put in place to aid his return to the England squad, has been successful

Now let's prepare for the sheet to hit the fan as the KP lovers realise he's not Superman, merely the 4th best batsman in the English team. As for tomorrow, I hope England, minus the mercenary, do well. Only a 3 day game but it's vital to get acclimatised - the Test series is just over 2 weeks away.

Duty281 wrote:Now let's prepare for the sheet to hit the fan as the KP lovers realise he's not Superman, merely the 4th best batsman in the English team. As for tomorrow, I hope England, minus the mercenary, do well. Only a 3 day game but it's vital to get acclimatised - the Test series is just over 2 weeks away.

My Friend you forget....if he fails...Flower & ECB get the blame.......for having traumatized and broken the rythm of England's greatest batsman since Len Hutton .....ohh OK maybe Dennis Compton.
If he succeeds......it's off course inspite of them...but still Englnad benefit.


PS* as an aside I just found out Nick Compton chosen as an opener is the grandson of Dennis

Duty, how do you feel about Gooch being the batting coach?

Duty pal- you have changed your view and are an england fan again!!

Hibbz wrote:Duty, how do you feel about Gooch being the batting coach?

Come on now, the 1982 rebel tour was 30 years ago.

mystiroakey wrote:Duty pal- you have changed your view and are an england fan again!!

A bit. It's the general arrogance of Indian fans, Indian players and the BCCI which irritates me. And my instant reaction is to say: En-ger-land...EN-GER-LAND!

Duty281 wrote:

Hibbz wrote:Duty, how do you feel about Gooch being the batting coach?

Come on now, the 1982 rebel tour was 30 years ago.

Not really an answer but I'll read between the lines. You know he's a mercenary and turned his back on his country too but because it was 30 years ago it doesn't matter to you, yes?

Get in Duty!!

Come on england!!