Cut the nose to spite the face

by KP_fan Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

Did they just cut the nose to spite the face ?

Yes indeed ECB cut their nose to spite their face.

With 7000 runs, 88 tests @ 50+ average, a big 100 in his last overseas innings in Lanka to keep England hanging in as No. 1 and another big hundred in what was defnitely his LAST test to yet again keep them hanging by a flimsy thread as No.1....KP's status as their biggest superstar in the last 3 decades and a legend in English cricket is already confirmed.

The intent obviously was to "hit back and hurt back".......instead of finding ways to reconcile and move forward.
Unfortunately ECB's timing was as bad as their intent.
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If it was repraminding and putting down a newbie with 20 odd tests and 1500 runs.....then ECB's intent to "hit back and hurt" may have worked.......but here they have probably added martyrdom to an exisiting superstardom.

KP could have finished with 9000 or even 10,000 runs in the next 3 years....even without those extra 2,000 runs runs..nothing changes in his standing as a cricketer...the loser is English cricket.

An extraordinary batsman, who served England well for long, a flawed genius who acknowledged his flawed emotionalism and one who took severeal steps towards reconcillation....the super star who was made a martyr today by the bureaucrats who did a classic " cut their nose to spite their own face"......is how history would sum it up when dust settles over this issue.

by Duty281 Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:57 pm

Hibbz wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hibbz wrote:Duty, how do you feel about Gooch being the batting coach?

Come on now, the 1982 rebel tour was 30 years ago.

Not really an answer but I'll read between the lines. You know he's a mercenary and turned his back on his country too but because it was 30 years ago it doesn't matter to you, yes?

I wasn't even born in 1982, it's difficult for me to judge. Forgive and forget? I'm pretty sure I'll have forgiven KP by 2042.

by KP_fan Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:16 pm

unceratin openers.....uncertian No.6.........uncertain 2nd and 3rd seamer......uncertain 2nd spinner......

"Reintegration" seems to be the least of England's problems and not being discussed at all.....he arrived in a separate flight from Jo'burg and seems immediately assimilated and throughly integrated Yahoo

we can consensually conclude Flower needed KP more than he needed Flower.

Hope we get to see KP firing on all cylinders and light up the series.

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:53 pm

And how are India's squad looking?

MS Dhoni (capt & wk), - Weak captain and inferior to Prior
Virender Sehwag, - Out of form opener
Gautam Gambhir, - Good player
Sachin Tendulkar, - Overrated in his prime and now he's over the hill. Anderson's bunny.
Virat Kohli, - Good player
Yuvraj Singh, - Not a Test quality player
Cheteshwar Pujara, - Who?
R Ashwin, - Decent player
Umesh Yadav, - Who?
Pragyan Ojha, - Not as good as Swann but still OK
Ajinkya Rahane, - Inexperienced
Harbhajan Singh, - You've still got this muppet?
Ishant Sharma, - Nothing too special
M Vijay, - Who?
Zaheer Khan - Decent but not in Anderson's class

by mystiroakey Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:12 pm

duty- you are a lover not a hater you will have forgiven kp by the start of the first test!

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:14 pm

mystiroakey wrote:duty- you are a lover not a hater you will have forgiven kp by the start of the first test!

Perfect song to sum up KP, Wonderwall by Oasis:

Today is gonna be the day
That they're gonna throw it back to you
By now you should've somehow
Realized what you gotta do
I don't believe that anybody
Feels the way I do, about you now

Back beat, the word was on the street
That the fire in your heart is out
I'm sure you've heard it all before
But you never really had a doubt
I don't believe that anybody
Feels the way I do about you now

And all the roads we have to walk are winding
And all the lights that lead us there are blinding
There are many things that I
Would like to say to you but I don't know how

Because maybe, you're gonna be the one that saves me
And after all, you're my wonderwall

by KP_fan Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:13 pm

right...but not relevant to the discussion Very Happy

...should post on the England in India thread

Duty281 wrote:And how are India's squad looking?

MS Dhoni (capt & wk), - Weak captain and inferior to Prior
Virender Sehwag, - Out of form opener
Gautam Gambhir, - Good player
Sachin Tendulkar, - Overrated in his prime and now he's over the hill. Anderson's bunny.
Virat Kohli, - Good player
Yuvraj Singh, - Not a Test quality player
Cheteshwar Pujara, - Who?
R Ashwin, - Decent player
Umesh Yadav, - Who?
Pragyan Ojha, - Not as good as Swann but still OK
Ajinkya Rahane, - Inexperienced
Harbhajan Singh, - You've still got this muppet?
Ishant Sharma, - Nothing too special
M Vijay, - Who?
Zaheer Khan - Decent but not in Anderson's class

by mystiroakey Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:14 pm

Your my wonderwall!!

love dat track

by Hibbz Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:15 pm

Duty281 wrote:And how are India's squad looking?

Sachin Tendulkar, - Overrated in his prime and now he's over the hill. Anderson's bunny.

The man who's scored the most runs in test match history was overrated? You do say some pretty stupid things Duty.

Oh and saying "who?" as a way of suggesting a player isn't up to much says far more about your knowledge than their ability.

by Shelsey93 Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:18 pm

I love Duty's patriotism! I'm sure its somewhat tongue in cheek... or maybe not Very Happy

Anyway, from an English perspective I'd say that the weaknesses we'd look at with India are seam bowling (Zaheer still effective but more like a Praveen type now than the all-round world class bowler he was a couple of years ago), fielding, and facing hostile bowling (England will particularly look to test Gambhir, Pujara and Yuvraj).

I've said I think it'll be 2-1 India. But it really could go any way apart from an English landslide in my view.

by mystiroakey Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:19 pm

no its not shelsey!!

by KP_fan Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:29 pm

Shelsey93 wrote:I love Duty's patriotism!

that's good.
what is a nation without patriots and jingoists.......every nation needs a share of them.

on a lighter note
A real patriot is the fellow who gets a parking ticket and rejoices that the system works.
Bill Vaughan laughing

by Hibbz Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:39 pm

Ha ha I love that KP_fan.

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:13 pm

Hibbz wrote:
Duty281 wrote:And how are India's squad looking?

Sachin Tendulkar, - Overrated in his prime and now he's over the hill. Anderson's bunny.

The man who's scored the most runs in test match history was overrated? You do say some pretty stupid things Duty.

Oh and saying "who?" as a way of suggesting a player isn't up to much says far more about your knowledge than their ability.

Tendulkar is commonly rated as the second best batsman of all time, some even rate him as the best ever. I believe that while Tendulkar was a World-Class batsman, he's not that good. Hence he's overrated in my view. You say some pretty stupid things as well you know. Exhibit A M'lud:

Hibbz wrote:The odds for England to lose all of their matches calculates as 33/1.

I think that's a much better bet than the 14/1 on them lifting the trophy.

I'm supporting Germany myself.

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:41 pm

Shelsey93 wrote:I love Duty's patriotism! I'm sure its somewhat tongue in cheek... or maybe not

Anyway, from an English perspective I'd say that the weaknesses we'd look at with India are seam bowling (Zaheer still effective but more like a Praveen type now than the all-round world class bowler he was a couple of years ago), fielding, and facing hostile bowling (England will particularly look to test Gambhir, Pujara and Yuvraj).

I've said I think it'll be 2-1 India. But it really could go any way apart from an English landslide in my view.

I can assure you that it's not tongue-in-cheek.

"Ask any man what nationality he would prefer to be, and ninety nine out of a hundred will tell you that they would prefer to be Englishmen."
Cecil John Rhodes

by Hibbz Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:51 pm

Duty, old bean if we're using old posts as basis for making ourselves look stupid may I put forward any one of your numerous "England to Glory" threads across a variety of sports?

by mystiroakey Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:53 pm

humbug hibbz

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:54 pm

Hibbz wrote:Duty, old bean if we're using old posts as basis for making ourselves look stupid may I put forward any one of your numerous "England to Glory" threads across a variety of sports?

That's not stupidity, old chap, it's patriotism. I have faith in England, no matter what the sport is.

by Hibbz Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:57 pm

I've just read Cecil John Rhodes wiki page, looks like he held some really nice opinions.

by Shelsey93 Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:03 pm

Yep. I'm not sure he's necessarily the type of patriot that I want to be!

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:07 pm

Hibbz wrote:I've just read Cecil John Rhodes wiki page, looks like he held some really nice opinions.

"Be England what she will. With all her faults, she is my country still."
Charles Churchill

by Hibbz Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:17 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Hibbz wrote:I've just read Cecil John Rhodes wiki page, looks like he held some really nice opinions.

"Be England what she will. With all her faults, she is my country still."
Charles Churchill

Duty, are you Nick Griffin?

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:20 pm

Hibbz wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Hibbz wrote:I've just read Cecil John Rhodes wiki page, looks like he held some really nice opinions.

"Be England what she will. With all her faults, she is my country still."
Charles Churchill

Duty, are you Nick Griffin?

No. Although I would describe myself as right-wing, I'm not that right-wing.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:21 pm

Harsh Hibbz.

The mention of Rhodes reminded me of reading this this morning though Wink

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10845357

by Duty281 Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:24 pm

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:Harsh Hibbz.

The mention of Rhodes reminded me of reading this this morning though

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10845357

Spoiler:

by ShankyCricket Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:33 pm

To hide the views of an obnoxious, petulant, self obsessed lunatic whose sole purpose is to wind up others behind the banner of "patriotism"seems rather daft to me.

by ShankyCricket Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:37 pm

Hibbz wrote:
Duty281 wrote:And how are India's squad looking?

Sachin Tendulkar, - Overrated in his prime and now he's over the hill. Anderson's bunny.

The man who's scored the most runs in test match history was overrated? You do say some pretty stupid things Duty.

Oh and saying "who?" as a way of suggesting a player isn't up to much says far more about your knowledge than their ability.

Indeed!

by Duty281 Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:20 am

ShankyCricket wrote:To hide the views of an obnoxious, petulant, self obsessed lunatic whose sole purpose is to wind up others behind the banner of "patriotism"seems rather daft to me.

Now, now Shanky. You know full well self-obsessed has a hyphen in it.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:19 am

Duty281 wrote:
ShankyCricket wrote:To hide the views of an obnoxious, petulant, self obsessed lunatic whose sole purpose is to wind up others behind the banner of "patriotism"seems rather daft to me.

Now, now Shanky. You know full well self-obsessed has a hyphen in it.

And besides, KPF isn't that bad Wink

by msp83 Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:13 pm

Was wondering what the escalation of the thread was all about!?
To be patriotic is absolutely fine, but hyper-patriotism has a very thin line separating it from lunatic jingoism.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:20 pm

msp83 wrote:Was wondering what the escalation of the thread was all about!?
To be patriotic is absolutely fine, but hyper-patriotism has a very thin line separating it from lunatic jingoism.

+1

by KP_fan Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:28 pm

Looks like "Kpgate" wil get the big fish victim......there is already somebody over the shoulder of Flower...asking him to take a break next yeara nd being reported as the next in line

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/590968.html

It underlines Halsall's growing stature within the England camp that he has been given a more public role with the squad for the first time. Originally appointed as fielding coach, he has already stood in for team director, Andy Flower, on occasional days and must be considered a contender as his successor sometime in the future. But Halsall may require a spell as director of cricket at a county before taking control of the national side.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/20297406

India v England: Andy Flower encouraged to take break
England assistant coach Richard Halsall thinks team director Andy Flower should take a break next year to help him cope with the team's busy schedule.

by KP_fan Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:08 am

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:41 am

Looks like Flower will get an extra days rest after England mop up the remainder of India a day earlry KPF

by KP_fan Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:14 pm

Colombo, Headingley, Mumbai......
what a player

by KP_fan Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:27 pm

and with the firing of Flower......we can assume curtain falls over the KP-gate in a rather appropriate way

by KP_fan Mon May 11, 2015 9:44 pm

Strauss & Co. has been trying since Aug 2012 to get rid him.....and in the meanwhile....Strauss lost his job and the rest of his co.---> Flower gone, Prior gone, Swann reached an end, Trott finished, Cook hanging by a thread.........KP still lives on....and Strauss will shoot the first bullet in his foot ( yet again) if he forcibly leaves KP out .
3 years and the soap still runs to high TRPs Smile

by banbrotam Mon May 11, 2015 11:57 pm

KP_fan wrote:Strauss & Co. has been trying since Aug 2012 to get rid him.....and in the meanwhile....Strauss lost his job and the rest of his co.---> Flower gone, Prior gone, Swann reached an end, Trott finished, Cook hanging by a thread.........KP still lives on....and Strauss will shoot the first bullet in his foot ( yet again) if he forcibly leaves KP out .
3 years and the soap still runs to high TRPs

I'll put to one side that all current England middle order, would fancy their chances at the country's best batting track, against a second rate (sorry second division) attack

Can you tell me who you're actually going to drop out of that middle order

Carberry, a player far more deserving of a second chance (sorry, I forgot for KP it would be about his tenth, but you know what I mean) scored a far better century, in terms of what would be needed against the Aussies, than the supposed answer to all England's problems. He actually scored a century against a very decent bowling attack

As several people like Steve Waugh has said, it's time to move on - unless you think KP should open

And after having scored a century in his last test, how on earth can Cook be "hanging by a thread", unless of course you're a one-eyed KP fan who think the likes of Flower, Strauss, Cook, Prior, Moores, Flintoff should be hung by their watsits for ever daring to betray the lovely humble darling

Thank goodness Strauss has drawn a line under this ridiculous saga

by KP_fan Tue May 12, 2015 3:36 am

banbrotam wrote:

Thank goodness Strauss has drawn a line under this ridiculous saga

you really think so.
He has been trying that for 3 years and lost his captaincy in the process, one time

by Azzy Tue May 12, 2015 9:07 am

I'm done with English cricket.

by kingraf Tue May 12, 2015 9:11 am

KP would have been done with back in 2012 if he was still South African.

by Gooseberry Tue May 12, 2015 9:17 am

Scoring runs in against a division 2 team that hasnt won a game in 2 and half years isnt enough to get you an international call up? Whats the world coming to. Next thing you know theyll be acccussing Indians of having inflated domestic bating averages.

by guildfordbat Tue May 12, 2015 9:55 am

Gooseberry - imo, it's not a case of this innings meaning Pietersen should be automatically selected for England but proving as a batsman that he remains right up there and more than worthy of serious consideration. My posts on the ''Peter Moores'' and ''Surrey v Leics'' threads refer.

As a new broom, I would hope Strauss would realise that and look to do a proper job of making the England house fit and tidy rather than continue to sweep problems under the carpet. Those problems just don't go away!

by Azzy Tue May 12, 2015 10:05 am

If scoring 326 against Leicestershire was so easy, how comes it's not a weekly occurrence?

by KP_fan Tue May 12, 2015 10:13 am

kingraf wrote:KP would have been done with back in 2012 if he was still South African.

he may have been SA's captain....
SA cricket encourages free spirited, uninhibited express yourself individuals like ABDV

by KP_fan Tue May 12, 2015 10:13 am

Azzy wrote:If scoring 326 against Leicestershire was so easy, how comes it's not a weekly occurrence?

by Azzy Tue May 12, 2015 10:37 am

It takes a special player to score 300+, in any form of the game, at any level. It takes a long time to bat that far, mentally exhausting pressure, when you get past 150 every dot ball feels like agony. Leicester's bowlers aren't that bad - they have a blend of experience and youth, international and rookie, all wanting to get that prize wicket of KP.

One innings doesn't warrant inclusion, but talent does. And that is why I will never support this new England setup. Colin Graves may as well quit. There'll be no change under his watch with Strauss in charge.

by KP_fan Tue May 12, 2015 11:01 am

I deserve England SELECTION says KP
And 88% English fans in a survey agree.

Strauss starting is inning defending like when score would read 3 down for 10

by Azzy Tue May 12, 2015 11:07 am

Strauss should never have been given the job, knowing full well that he called KP an offensive name on live tv and god knows what else behind the scenes. I never liked the guy as England captain and dislike him even more on commentary; mere consideration of him for such an important role was an offence to English cricket, and it is now abundantly clear that the powers-that-be are far more interested in self-preservation than in improving the fortunes of our national sides.

by KP_fan Tue May 12, 2015 11:20 am

Cosy Club.
They stick to it those they are cosy / comfortable with.....who in turn select in the team...those that they are comfortable with.
No wonder Eng lost to bottom ranked WI
And no wonder they dropped to 5th in ICC ranking for tests.

No wonder.....because they cut their nose to spite of their face

by Azzy Tue May 12, 2015 12:16 pm

Graves is all talk, no trousers. "Real change" was promised. We're getting six years of Strauss-Cook turgidness.

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