England v South Africa, Lords, 3rd Test Thread

by Duty281 Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:16

First topic message reminder :

The equation is simple. If England win, they remain number 1. If South Africa avoid defeat, they move up to number 1 and will officially be the best Test team in the World.

England: 1 Andrew Strauss (capt), 2 Alastair Cook, 3 Jonathan Trott, 4 Ian Bell, 5 James Taylor, 6 Jonny Bairstow, 7 Matt Prior (wk), 8 Stuart Broad, 9 Graeme Swann, 10 James Anderson, 11 Steven Finn

South Africa: 1 Graeme Smith (capt), 2 Alviro Petersen, 3 Hashim Amla, 4 Jacques Kallis, 5 AB de Villiers (wk), 6 Jacques Rudolph, 7 JP Duminy, 8 Vernon Philander, 9 Dale Steyn, 10 Morne Morkel, 11 Imran Tahir

Are you ready?

by KP_fan Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:20

eng needed to get the runs with the old ball.......with new ball...one or two imposisble to fend deliveries will pluck out one or both of these .

Tactical blunder to be scartching this morning by Eng

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:22

Well thanks KP for causing abit of bother because otherwise we wouldnt have seen this brilliant bairtsow innings. He looks so assured..

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:23

Both teams seem happy for the game to meander towards the second new ball at the moment. South Africa bowling good lines and lengths, but nothing threatening so far.

Crucial passage coming up.

by skyeman Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:29

KP_fan wrote:eng needed to get the runs with the old ball.......with new ball...one or two imposisble to fend deliveries will pluck out one or both of these .

Tactical blunder to be scartching this morning by Eng

How about the very tight bowling, and no one is out.

by GSC Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:32

So toss away a few more wickets trying to play T20 in the first 4 overs?

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:33

OMG - first delivery with new ball and wicket- it moved alot!!

by FerN Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:33

Wicket for philander

by liverbnz Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:33

Silly from Prior.

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:33

Oh Prior! First ball, really?

by KP_fan Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:34

skyeman wrote:
KP_fan wrote:eng needed to get the runs with the old ball.......with new ball...one or two imposisble to fend deliveries will pluck out one or both of these .

Tactical blunder to be scartching this morning by Eng

How about the very tight bowling, and no one is out.

Prior loses a chance to make his stay count and goes to the first delivery with new ball...

hate to say...I told ya..... Doh

by skyeman Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:34

Darn Prior gone, Broad and Swanny need too come good.

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:36

KP_fan wrote:
skyeman wrote:
KP_fan wrote:eng needed to get the runs with the old ball.......with new ball...one or two imposisble to fend deliveries will pluck out one or both of these .

Tactical blunder to be scartching this morning by Eng

How about the very tight bowling, and no one is out.

Prior loses a chance to make his stay count and goes to the first delivery with new ball...

hate to say...I told ya.....

No you didn't, you said they would receive some unplayable deliveries. That was just a bad shot.

And which balls was Prior meant to score off? Which scoring opportunities did he miss out on? Or did SA just bowl tight lines?

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:37

the new ball has taken 9 wickets so far this test match for about 120 runs

by alfie Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:40

Sometimes you wonder at a player's thought processes...

There is the usually aggressive Prior , patiently soaking up eight overs with no attempt to push for runs , waiting for the new ball...then bang ! First ball with the new one , throws the kitchen sink at it picard

What a waste.

by KP_fan Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:41

Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
skyeman wrote:
KP_fan wrote:eng needed to get the runs with the old ball.......with new ball...one or two imposisble to fend deliveries will pluck out one or both of these .

Tactical blunder to be scartching this morning by Eng

How about the very tight bowling, and no one is out.

Prior loses a chance to make his stay count and goes to the first delivery with new ball...

hate to say...I told ya.....

No you didn't, you said they would receive some unplayable deliveries. That was just a bad shot.

And which balls was Prior meant to score off? Which scoring opportunities did he miss out on? Or did SA just bowl tight lines?

you can split the hair......
with the ball swinging Broad is making it look like he can go any time.....

blunder, blunder by eng to lose all those overs this morning with the old ball and score virtually nothing with two set stroke players

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:43

kp fan i kind of agree- the new ball is clealy the defining factor at lords and the batsman should be taking advantage of the old one

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:47

KP_fan wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
skyeman wrote:
KP_fan wrote:eng needed to get the runs with the old ball.......with new ball...one or two imposisble to fend deliveries will pluck out one or both of these .

Tactical blunder to be scartching this morning by Eng

How about the very tight bowling, and no one is out.

Prior loses a chance to make his stay count and goes to the first delivery with new ball...

hate to say...I told ya.....

No you didn't, you said they would receive some unplayable deliveries. That was just a bad shot.

And which balls was Prior meant to score off? Which scoring opportunities did he miss out on? Or did SA just bowl tight lines?

you can split the hair......
with the ball swinging Broad is making it look like he can go any time.....

blunder, blunder by eng to lose all those overs this morning with the old ball and score virtually nothing with two set stroke players

It isn't splitting hairs, it is making a crucial difference. In one scenario you are saying get on with it because eventually you'll get an unplayable ball. In the other you're saying get on with it because eventually you'll play a bad shot. The first has merit (but not on this pitch, in this situation), the second is ridiculous. The mistake was Prior's brain freeze, not the patience which went on previously.

The two players weren't set this morning, that is kind of the point.

Care to tell us which balls Prior should have scored off which he didn't?

by alfie Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:47

Oh come on ! The wicket had nothing to do with slow scoring over the first eight overs...SA bowled good tight lines and England - correctly - sat in.

Then the new ball was taken and one loose shot was played , far too early.

The loose shot was the mistake , not the cautious start.

by skyeman Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:48

KP_fan wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
skyeman wrote:
KP_fan wrote:eng needed to get the runs with the old ball.......with new ball...one or two imposisble to fend deliveries will pluck out one or both of these .

Tactical blunder to be scartching this morning by Eng

How about the very tight bowling, and no one is out.

Prior loses a chance to make his stay count and goes to the first delivery with new ball...

hate to say...I told ya.....

No you didn't, you said they would receive some unplayable deliveries. That was just a bad shot.

And which balls was Prior meant to score off? Which scoring opportunities did he miss out on? Or did SA just bowl tight lines?

you can split the hair......
with the ball swinging Broad is making it look like he can go any time.....

blunder, blunder by eng to lose all those overs this morning with the old ball and score virtually nothing with two set stroke players

Set players, How many did the NUT score on the following morning of his last hundred. Please talk sense.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:48

I must be watching a different match. What i saw this morning was some very fine tight bowling by SA with the old ball. I didnt see many opportunities for Prior and Bairstow to hit out.

Prior's dismissal was very poor, it was not the bowling either.

by liverbnz Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:49

SA bowled very tight this morning. Athers showed their bee hive to Prior, absolutely no room given. Take advantage of the old ball is fine if the chance is there. This morning it wasn't.

by Duty281 Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:49

eirebilly wrote:I must be watching a different match. Wht i saw this morning was some very fine tight bowling by SA with the old ball. I didnt see many opportunities for Prior and Bairstow to hit out.

Prior's dismissal was very poor, it was not the bowling either.

That's exactly what I saw as well.

by msp83 Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:50

Mike Selig wrote:The teams recently to have done well in India are the West Indies of the 80s, Australia, and South Africa (who haven't won there but have drawn a few times). None of these teams did so by playing 2 spinners. They did it with accurate seam bowling, a bit of reverse swing, and a spinner (even Warne) mainly playing the containing role.

Onions could certainly be useful, exactly for the reasons martyr just said - wicket to wicket with a little bit of movement works well, Indian batsmen (Shewag, Gambhir, Raina if he plays) love width.

Little point in Samit Patel, unless you think he's one of your batsmen, his bowling will be of practically zero value.

South Africa won the 2 test series in 2000 and gave India a real tough time in 1996, 2008 and 2010. Paul Harris played a decent containing hand then. But when Australia won in 04 at last, Shane Warne wasn't just containing, it was his best series in India. Murali has been less effective against India in India, but the true cmampions they both were, could make some kind of an impact. Otherwise the point is that only absolute quality spinners can hope to have some kind of an impact against India in India, and that too is limited.
The pacers on the other hand have a better record. Donald, Pollock, and Steyn for South Africa, McGrath and Gillespie and even Kasprowicz for Australia, Hoggard, Flintoff and Anderson for England.
So it may not make much sense for England to go in with 2 spinners. But 4 seamers also may not be a good idea, particularly considering that even 6 batters and Prior weren't enough in the last winter. And if Pietersen isn't there, there will be more pressure on that fragile lineup. On flat tracks, pace can be handy, so I would favore Finn to start with.

by Duty281 Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:52

Surely it's time that Broad plays a decent innings, he's been poor this year with the bat.

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:53

we need to drop broad, he cant bat anymore

by msp83 Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:54

After staying focused earlyer, that was a very irresponsible shot from Prior, to the first ball with the new ball.

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:54

I'm satisfied that alfie, skyeman, Billy, duty and liver were at least watching the same channel that I was in any case.

It's tough to see how England can really get a good lead from here though. Swann is maybe good for 20odd, but can't see anything substantial. Desperately need a good partnership now.

by KP_fan Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:55

an old and ever green rule in cricket...bowling is as good as you make it look

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:56

To be honest they played prior perfectly- bowled a set way to him in his non scoring area and they got there man. But fact remians the new ball at lords seems to be of key importance..

by skyeman Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:56

JB in the nineties, everything crossed.

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 11:59

KP_fan wrote:an old and ever green rule in cricket...bowling is as good as you make it look

I have a saying: idiots should keep quiet.

by KP_fan Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:02

Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:an old and ever green rule in cricket...bowling is as good as you make it look

I have a saying: idiots should keep quiet.

please elaborate...i do not undertsand the context ?

by skyeman Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:02

Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:an old and ever green rule in cricket...bowling is as good as you make it look

I have a saying: idiots should keep quiet.

I gave up on KP fan on the other thread, same here i think.

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:03

KP_fan wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:an old and ever green rule in cricket...bowling is as good as you make it look

I have a saying: idiots should keep quiet.

please elaborate...i do not undertsand the context ?

exactly.

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:03

OIII

by alfie Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:05

Drinks . 14 overs , 35/1.

SA will be happy to have got rid of Prior. On the other hand Bairstow has restarted well enough and Broad has survived his first few overs.

Match remains finely balanced and anyone who thinks they know what is going to happen is kidding himself. Excellent Test Match.

by KP_fan Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:07

Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:
Mike Selig wrote:
KP_fan wrote:an old and ever green rule in cricket...bowling is as good as you make it look

I have a saying: idiots should keep quiet.

please elaborate...i do not undertsand the context ?

exactly.

OK....it's off cricket.....so I have nothing to add

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:08

Anyway moving away from the world of general but fairly meaningless platitudes, at least when not used in any reasonable context...

Some interesting tactics from SA to Bairstow. I'm not sure the deep-point is that necessary, Bairstow hasn't been exactly flowing through the off-side. A couple of balls from Steyn and one from Philander suggest SA have recognised that full and straight is a possible line of attack, but the way Bairstow has played them (mid-on to mid-wicket rather than square) suggests that he has recognised the problem and gone and worked on it. If SA wish to persist with that line I suggest a couple of short mid-wickets would be more useful - the way Bairstow is falling over slightly but trying to keep his bat coming through straight means he could shovel one up in that direction.

by eirebilly Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:08

Mike, best to just keep talking cricket and ignore what annoys you

by skyeman Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:09

What timing on that Broad boundary.

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:12

nah not good enough from broad he looks dodgy

by alfie Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:12

Think the cover sweeper is there to ensure no cheap boundaries for Bairstow , keep him waiting for that hundred...worked then.

...and Broad goes fending off

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:12

fffffffffffffffffffffffff....

Doh

i have lost the power

by EnglishReign Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:13

This is so frustrating. We had a chance to take the game away after bowling them out for 309, what are they bloody doing out there?!

by Duty281 Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:13

Broad gone. 7 down, still 57 behind. Swing the bat Swanny!

by msp83 Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:14

Smith just gets a fielder close in on the leg side, Steyn bowls the short one, and Broad just walks into the trap. Swann time now.

by Mike Selig Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:15

That was a good ball from Steyn, tucked Broad up and got extra bounce.

The deep point worked then... what do I know?

Can Swann at least help get England on level terms?

by mystiroakey Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:16

intellegent bolwing from SA. They also had a clear stratergy for bairstow as well, that didnt bear fruit- because it was based on an assumption rather than fact

by ShankyCricket Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:16

Oh Broady!

by alfie Sat 18 Aug 2012, 12:17

Good bowling to Broad , he likes that leg side flick...bounced too much.

Pity that , a Broad innings would have been very handy. I imagine Swann will be worked over a bit now while the ball is new ...they won't want him settling in.

Not half giving young Bairstow a test of skill and mental strength - now he has to marshall the tail as well...

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