2012/13 Premier League discussion thread

[Guest]

First topic message reminder :

The big one is about to begin once again lads. Hopefully week 1 will bring a lot of goals, controversy and maybe even a shock!

God I've missed Jeff Stelling and the boys!

Game on.

[Lumbering_Jack]

But how is falling over now acceptable, just because some contact was made which in no way impedes you? A big cultural change is needed. Funnily enough, the higher the standard the more they cheat. Do Sunday league players have better balance and strength than pro's, or are the men who act as such.

[Stella]

He did make the most of it but it was a foul all the same.

Didn't see the Fellaini incident. I did see Phil Neville 'dive' though. This was ok as he was English and has a brother in the studio.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Well if you say end of then that must be it... Must bow down to your supremacy.

It wasn't a foul, FACT (see, I can be silly too). Shearer wouldn't have went down because he generally didn't cheat, not because he would ride a non existent challenge.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Phil Neviile was rightfully booked and apologised. Torres was booked and starting playing mr innocent while flopping his girly locks around. Probably wears high heels at home to help his posture too.

[Stella]

You're the only one I know who thinks it wasn't a foul. You like a good looking geordie woman are in the minority.

[Stella]

Phil Neviile was rightfully booked and apologised. Torres was booked and starting playing mr innocent while flopping his girly locks around. Probably wears high heels at home to help his posture too.

Aah, a personal issue with Torres. I get it now.

[Lumbering_Jack]

I don't dislike Torres more or less than most other cheats. Got what he deserved. Not sure what attractive geordie women have to do with this situation? As it happens my woman isn't from the area...

Now don't you have some dishes to do?

[Stella]

I don't dislike Torres more or less than most other cheats. Got what he deserved. Not sure what attractive geordie women have to do with this situation? As it happens my woman isn't from the area...

Now don't you have some dishes to do?

You chose well.

[Liam]

From Clattenburg's point of view when the Torres incident happened, it does look like Torres goes down too easily. When you have the technology and camera angles which slow down play and have close up shots we can lose sight of what the ref can actually see. It was a slight touch, there is contact, but Torres goes down unnaturally. If it did cause him to fall over, he would not have fallen in that manner, it was an over the top fall and for me, if you have to send people off in questionable circumstances to stamp out diving then so be it.

On the Hernandez goal, again the camera angles and technology make it look as if it was obvious. Let's think how quick it all happened. Hernandez raced back from the goal line, ridiculously quick. I said at the time 'how did he get back so quick'. Rafael has smashed the shot so its not as easy to see as a pass would have been. Cech is also blocking the linesmans view of Hernandez as the ball is hit. So whilst concetrating on Rafael and the timing of his shot, he has to try and look at Hernandez, who comes back onside like a rocket, Cech is blocking his view and imo Hernandez was only just offside.

Think technology, as brilliant as it is, can cause problems because officials only get one look at it. We have it slowed down, close up angles from different view points giving us a clearer view and imaginary lines drawn in for offsides. I don't believe the officials had howler's yesterday. The Torres and Hernandez decisions are debatable but are so hard to call that officials need to be cut some slack. Chelsea were lucky to be in the game after 30 mins anyway, and the fans treatment of Rio, a man who despite his negative points stands up against racism and the farcical bans and fines given to Terry and Suarez, was disgusting I thought.

[socal1976]

Chelsea was clearly the superior side and lost due to gross incompetence on the part of the officials. It is clear to everyone and their mother. Torres didn't dive he jumped over a challenge and contact was made. The game winning goal was offsides and both red cards were highly debatadle, there is a reason for all the controversy. Clattenburg should never officiate a game again, period and end of story. Maybe for 8 or 9 year olds playing at the park that is about what his competence level is. And I am not a chelsea fan, as a neutral I am peed that what could of been th game of the year 2-2 early in the second half is turned into a garbage Match by the offiicials. Totally destroyed a good football match. If I was Javie Hernandez I wouldn't even celebrate that goal, apparently he is the only forward in the prem who is never offsides.

[Stella]

Ivanovic deserved to go, imo.

[socal1976]

Personally, as a neutral I hope Chelsea loses the league title by 1 or 2 points so the sheer robbery of this match gets scorched into the mind of fans, then maybe we will get some replay technology for offsides something that should have been done in football a decade or more ago.

[Ent]

Personally, as a neutral I hope Chelsea loses the league title by 1 or 2 points so the sheer robbery of this match gets scorched into the mind of fans, then maybe we will get some replay technology for offsides something that should have been done in football a decade or more ago.

You make a huge fuss over united vs Newcastle at ot last season? You know when an incorrect penalty and offside decision costing united 2 points, how's the league finish again?

Or maybe you could grow up and realise over a 38 game season a tight offside decision won't matter?

Remind me how Chelsea were 2-0?

Maybe they should worry about their defending instead of blaming everyone else or losing.

[GSC]

Spurs already lost 4th place on Carroll dropping a ball over the line and getting away with it.

[socal1976]

Personally, as a neutral I hope Chelsea loses the league title by 1 or 2 points so the sheer robbery of this match gets scorched into the mind of fans, then maybe we will get some replay technology for offsides something that should have been done in football a decade or more ago.

You make a huge fuss over united vs Newcastle at ot last season? You know when an incorrect penalty and offside decision costing united 2 points, how's the league finish again?

Or maybe you could grow up and realise over a 38 game season a tight offside decision won't matter?

Remind me how Chelsea were 2-0?

Maybe they should worry about their defending instead of blaming everyone else or losing.

Ent I have no skin in the game, Fifa is at the same time incompetent and corrupt. They need to stop acting like the mafia and become stewards of the game. We should have had a review process for offsides that would be instantaneous and nearly fool proof 10 years ago if they didn't have their collective thumbs in their you know where. I could have cared less at the start of proceeding who won the match. And I am not really that anit-united anymore I actually like both Rooney and Javier Hernandez but that match was robbery, sheer theft. I don't know or care if UNited or Arsenal have or whoever benefits or doesn't benefit from bad calls. If they are completely preventable like these offside decisions than it comes down to fifa and the FA and everyone who rules football and makes billions of dollars doing their job as stewards of the game and getting with the times.

I am not an electrical or computeer engineer but if you gave me the authority with sensors and tiny cheap transmitters I could create a near 100 percent system that would be affordable. It is so freaking easy it is laughable that the billion dollar stooges at Fifa, Uefa, the FA etc. can't figure it out.

[compelling and rich]

not sure why theres been as much fuss at this as there has been, perhaps something to do with united being the ones who were lucky this time round.

i really dont think the torres one was that bad a desicion, i watched it live and called it as a dive, only after having seen about 3 replays does it show the slightest of touches, even then certainly not enough for torres to go down like he did rolling around and clutching his shin. for me it was one of the few occasions where it wasnt a foul neither was it a dive. but i think everybody would agree that diving in the game is something that need adressing and to do this the refs are going to have to start giving yellow cards for they think are dives, the ref gave valencia one for the same thing so you cant say he was biased.

torres could have easily stayed on his feet, but he CHOSE to go down, ashley young had no choice ivanovic caught his trailing leg and acted basically like a ankle tap where the knock made him clatter into the back of his own leg (its where it becomes very difficult for refs in this matter). it was 100% the right decision, i was watching it with a few city fans and even they all agreed.

then there was the offside which had nothing to do with clattenburg but his linesman, and even then it was a tough one because all the bodies in front of hernadez. certainly wasnt as bad a call as the suarez offside.

so thats one right, one wrong and one that wasnt even anything to do with him yet you would think he gave united all 3 goals we scored, the game changer was more ivanovic than torres and that was the right call, like i say i bet you there wouldnt be half the out cry if it wasnt united who got the desicions. certainly dont remember being as much when drogba was two yards offside at ot which effectively gave them the title (incidently was much worse desicion than all the above ones)

[compelling and rich]

Personally, as a neutral I hope Chelsea loses the league title by 1 or 2 points so the sheer robbery of this match gets scorched into the mind of fans, then maybe we will get some replay technology for offsides something that should have been done in football a decade or more ago.

You make a huge fuss over united vs Newcastle at ot last season? You know when an incorrect penalty and offside decision costing united 2 points, how's the league finish again?

Or maybe you could grow up and realise over a 38 game season a tight offside decision won't matter?

Remind me how Chelsea were 2-0?

Maybe they should worry about their defending instead of blaming everyone else or losing.

Ent I have no skin in the game, Fifa is at the same time incompetent and corrupt. They need to stop acting like the mafia and become stewards of the game. We should have had a review process for offsides that would be instantaneous and nearly fool proof 10 years ago if they didn't have their collective thumbs in their you know where. I could have cared less at the start of proceeding who won the match. And I am not really that anit-united anymore I actually like both Rooney and Javier Hernandez but that match was robbery, sheer theft. I don't know or care if UNited or Arsenal have or whoever benefits or doesn't benefit from bad calls. If they are completely preventable like these offside decisions than it comes down to fifa and the FA and everyone who rules football and makes billions of dollars doing their job as stewards of the game and getting with the times.

I am not an electrical or computeer engineer but if you gave me the authority with sensors and tiny cheap transmitters I could create a near 100 percent system that would be affordable. It is so freaking easy it is laughable that the billion dollar stooges at Fifa, Uefa, the FA etc. can't figure it out.

i would suggest you should do it if its that easy could make a tidy profit, while your at it you should replace the refs with robots and players so there would never again be the wrong desicion. i mean the games is so bad now that nobody watches it any more right? or you could like me see that like players, refs will make mistakes and have been doing for years and years and it is all part of what makes football the biggest sport in the world. cant be all that bad

[socal1976]

Again, Compelling I am not a big fan of united' but nor am I big fan of Chelsea, with the technology today the fact that matches are still decided by one man standing with a little yellow flag trying to stay focused both on the ball that is being passed and the last defender you are invariably going to lose and gain way too many goals. There simply is no excuse anymore goal line and offsides reviews could be done to be 99 percent accurate and could be designed to not significantly slow down the game.

Torres was not a card, a player has a right to dive over a challenge. I love all these weekend tough guys talking about how they would have rode out the challenge absorbed the contact and not gone down. In football you better learn when to avoid contact as a player on certain plays or you won't be a footballer for long. At full speed in mid air to avoid a challenge the slightest touch will knock you down. Now if Torres went down and started rolling around like he was shot with high powered rifle that is one thing, he didn't even throw his hand up for a call.

[socal1976]

Personally, as a neutral I hope Chelsea loses the league title by 1 or 2 points so the sheer robbery of this match gets scorched into the mind of fans, then maybe we will get some replay technology for offsides something that should have been done in football a decade or more ago.

You make a huge fuss over united vs Newcastle at ot last season? You know when an incorrect penalty and offside decision costing united 2 points, how's the league finish again?

Or maybe you could grow up and realise over a 38 game season a tight offside decision won't matter?

Remind me how Chelsea were 2-0?

Maybe they should worry about their defending instead of blaming everyone else or losing.

Ent I have no skin in the game, Fifa is at the same time incompetent and corrupt. They need to stop acting like the mafia and become stewards of the game. We should have had a review process for offsides that would be instantaneous and nearly fool proof 10 years ago if they didn't have their collective thumbs in their you know where. I could have cared less at the start of proceeding who won the match. And I am not really that anit-united anymore I actually like both Rooney and Javier Hernandez but that match was robbery, sheer theft. I don't know or care if UNited or Arsenal have or whoever benefits or doesn't benefit from bad calls. If they are completely preventable like these offside decisions than it comes down to fifa and the FA and everyone who rules football and makes billions of dollars doing their job as stewards of the game and getting with the times.

I am not an electrical or computeer engineer but if you gave me the authority with sensors and tiny cheap transmitters I could create a near 100 percent system that would be affordable. It is so freaking easy it is laughable that the billion dollar stooges at Fifa, Uefa, the FA etc. can't figure it out.

i would suggest you should do it if its that easy could make a tidy profit, while your at it you should replace the refs with robots and players so there would never again be the wrong desicion. i mean the games is so bad now that nobody watches it any more right? or you could like me see that like players, refs will make mistakes and have been doing for years and years and it is all part of what makes football the biggest sport in the world. cant be all that bad

With this type of thinking that the status quo can't be all that bad man would still be scrapping reindeer meat off of carcasses with stones. Get with the times Fifa and get off of your ass. Why has tennis brought in shot review, and the fans and everyone loves it. It has cleaned up all the fighting and cursing at officials. Yes in a world with nuclear submarines and mars landing missions I think it is pretty silly to have a guy with a little yellow flag attempting to an impossible job.

[compelling and rich]

where was this lunging challenge from evans where torres had to leap out the way to save his poor self? he knocked it through evans legs and evans had a leg trailing he felt the slightest contact and went down to try and win a foul, then rolled around and held his shin. there are certain occasions where a player has to jump out the way to protect himself this certainly wasnt one of them seeing though evans was trying to pull out of the tackle.

on the tech side how would this system work without slowing the game down? how would the computer figure out if the player was interferring with play or not? how would it decide how far to go back on and what if there was a a fault with one chip on a player so that it wasnt picking him up. all these things normally just end up in poorer refs as they are too releant on the the tech to do the work for them, look at super league refs they cant make a decision without referring it to the tmo now. the greatest thing with football is the speed its played at, it isnt stop start like tennis where you have the time to look at calls. i like it in cricket also, nice mix of umpire and help but football can change in a matter of seconds with a quick counter attack and if the ball hasnt been out of play when do you stop it?

[Ent]

Spurs already lost 4th place on Carroll dropping a ball over the line and getting away with it.

Yeah that didn't happen and tey would have needed 3rd that season for cl.

Maybe lay off the lies?

[GSC]

Maybe next time you go to specsavers try a pair that isnt tinted red?

[socal1976]

where was this lunging challenge from evans where torres had to leap out the way to save his poor self? he knocked it through evans legs and evans had a leg trailing he felt the slightest contact and went down to try and win a foul, then rolled around and held his shin. there are certain occasions where a player has to jump out the way to protect himself this certainly wasnt one of them seeing though evans was trying to pull out of the tackle.

on the tech side how would this system work without slowing the game down? how would the computer figure out if the player was interferring with play or not? how would it decide how far to go back on and what if there was a a fault with one chip on a player so that it wasnt picking him up. all these things normally just end up in poorer refs as they are too releant on the the tech to do the work for them, look at super league refs they cant make a decision without referring it to the tmo now. the greatest thing with football is the speed its played at, it isnt stop start like tennis where you have the time to look at calls. i like it in cricket also, nice mix of umpire and help but football can change in a matter of seconds with a quick counter attack and if the ball hasnt been out of play when do you stop it?

Easy, how it works. Again I have my own business that allows me a working knowledge of machine building and manufacturing process. However I am not an electrical or PLC engineer. But with the aide of a couple you can make the system instaneous virtually. One team is fitted with a tiny transmitter that sends out a signal with one signal. The other team has transmittes that transmit another signal. You line up sensors that will instantaneously read whether two defenders are behind the ball at the time of the last pass. The only tricky part is to get the system to click or have feedback to when the ball is played. You let the play go and a little green or red light pops on if the goal is on or red if it is off. This is a trickier but more foolproof system and would cost more.

Cheaper and easier put a bloody TV monitor on the sideline and let the linesman take a quick peak with a time limit. That is what they do in the NBA. The second system is cheaper, slower. Option A is more complex but once perfectted would be instant and virtually foolproof if working right.

[compelling and rich]

Spurs already lost 4th place on Carroll dropping a ball over the line and getting away with it.

very very simplistic view on a 38 game season, dodgy united robbing more spurs of a champions league spot, correct me if im wrong though was that in the 04/05 season when spurs finshed 9th well out of contention?

[Ent]

Personally, as a neutral I hope Chelsea loses the league title by 1 or 2 points so the sheer robbery of this match gets scorched into the mind of fans, then maybe we will get some replay technology for offsides something that should have been done in football a decade or more ago.

You make a huge fuss over united vs Newcastle at ot last season? You know when an incorrect penalty and offside decision costing united 2 points, how's the league finish again?

Or maybe you could grow up and realise over a 38 game season a tight offside decision won't matter?

Remind me how Chelsea were 2-0?

Maybe they should worry about their defending instead of blaming everyone else or losing.

Ent I have no skin in the game, Fifa is at the same time incompetent and corrupt. They need to stop acting like the mafia and become stewards of the game. We should have had a review process for offsides that would be instantaneous and nearly fool proof 10 years ago if they didn't have their collective thumbs in their you know where. I could have cared less at the start of proceeding who won the match. And I am not really that anit-united anymore I actually like both Rooney and Javier Hernandez but that match was robbery, sheer theft. I don't know or care if UNited or Arsenal have or whoever benefits or doesn't benefit from bad calls. If they are completely preventable like these offside decisions than it comes down to fifa and the FA and everyone who rules football and makes billions of dollars doing their job as stewards of the game and getting with the times.

I am not an electrical or computeer engineer but if you gave me the authority with sensors and tiny cheap transmitters I could create a near 100 percent system that would be affordable. It is so freaking easy it is laughable that the billion dollar stooges at Fifa, Uefa, the FA etc. can't figure it out.

i would suggest you should do it if its that easy could make a tidy profit, while your at it you should replace the refs with robots and players so there would never again be the wrong desicion. i mean the games is so bad now that nobody watches it any more right? or you could like me see that like players, refs will make mistakes and have been doing for years and years and it is all part of what makes football the biggest sport in the world. cant be all that bad

With this type of thinking that the status quo can't be all that bad man would still be scrapping reindeer meat off of carcasses with stones. Get with the times Fifa and get off of your ass. Why has tennis brought in shot review, and the fans and everyone loves it. It has cleaned up all the fighting and cursing at officials. Yes in a world with nuclear submarines and mars landing missions I think it is pretty silly to have a guy with a little yellow flag attempting to an impossible job.

Not true that, hawkeye (and te let chord device) are often faulty, make errors and aren't available at every tournament and some of the worst official abuse has taken place I recent years (serena Williams). Many top players are critics.

But let's not let the truth get in the way of a good yarn.

[socal1976]

Wrong Ent, I watch and follow tennis religiously, and the vast majority of the players are extremely happy with shot spot system in tennis. Federer has mildly criticized it in the past but he is one of the first pros to challenge a call and has been helped and hurt by the technology. Your contention that it is error filled is completely erroneous and all the major tournaments have shot spot on the feature courts were the most important matches are played. Much less money involved in tennis yet every major tournament has this technology, where as in football you have none. If you don't believe me go on the tennis forum and poll the fans who follow every week what they think.

In the world we live in with the technical advancement of the planet being what it is and the money in top flight football being what it is the fact that we still rely on a guy with a yellow flag to do an impossible job is frankly mindboggling. And this wouldn't be the case if Fifa actually was a real, competent, and clean governing body. Instead they are more like a bunch of mafia captains dividing up rackets and favors with each other completely incapable of actually managing the sport they run.

[Ent]

Not wrong, it isn't available on all courts or at all ATP tour events.

It and the let chord device (cyclops I believe) are out of use relatively frequently bet the year.

It's got an error margin of 4mm or so for recorded shots (not predicted paths) and numerous players have complained. In cricket also I believe India and Australia aren't fans.

Also umpire abuse hasn't decreased with it, some of the worst examples including serena Williams threatening physical violence towards a line judge have been since its intro.

It is a very good device but to suggest it would revolutionise football is wrong, it would ruin it by slowing the game down to a crawl.

[compelling and rich]

where was this lunging challenge from evans where torres had to leap out the way to save his poor self? he knocked it through evans legs and evans had a leg trailing he felt the slightest contact and went down to try and win a foul, then rolled around and held his shin. there are certain occasions where a player has to jump out the way to protect himself this certainly wasnt one of them seeing though evans was trying to pull out of the tackle.

on the tech side how would this system work without slowing the game down? how would the computer figure out if the player was interferring with play or not? how would it decide how far to go back on and what if there was a a fault with one chip on a player so that it wasnt picking him up. all these things normally just end up in poorer refs as they are too releant on the the tech to do the work for them, look at super league refs they cant make a decision without referring it to the tmo now. the greatest thing with football is the speed its played at, it isnt stop start like tennis where you have the time to look at calls. i like it in cricket also, nice mix of umpire and help but football can change in a matter of seconds with a quick counter attack and if the ball hasnt been out of play when do you stop it?

Easy, how it works. Again I have my own business that allows me a working knowledge of machine building and manufacturing process. However I am not an electrical or PLC engineer. But with the aide of a couple you can make the system instaneous virtually. One team is fitted with a tiny transmitter that sends out a signal with one signal. The other team has transmittes that transmit another signal. You line up sensors that will instantaneously read whether two defenders are behind the ball at the time of the last pass. The only tricky part is to get the system to click or have feedback to when the ball is played. You let the play go and a little green or red light pops on if the goal is on or red if it is off. This is a trickier but more foolproof system and would cost more.

Cheaper and easier put a bloody TV monitor on the sideline and let the linesman take a quick peak with a time limit. That is what they do in the NBA. The second system is cheaper, slower. Option A is more complex but once perfectted would be instant and virtually foolproof if working right.

cant see how either would work if im honest, take your first example. where would the transmitter be kept on players where it wouldnt be in danger of being knocked and then stop working? its all well and good it working before the game but theres a good chance such a delecate piece of technology would soon fail. then there is how accurate it would be, i really doubt it is going to pick up the smallest of gaps such as a left leg that can play you offside. another problem would be if somebody was off the field receiving treatment, it would still be playing people onside. the computer wouldnt be able to decide if player is interfering with play or not either. a player could be on the other side of the pitch having nothing to do with the game but would be getting flagged offside.

the tv wont work either, the only real time thats possible would after a tight call and a goal is scored. how often is there a tight call then not a goal? when would the linesman have time to stop and start watching tv? you would be stopping the game all the time and changing outcomes of the game and spoiling the enertainment. the system in tennis isnt all that great, nearly all the time the computer just backs up what the line judge has already called.

football has been getting on fine as it is for the last 150 or so years with linesman, its part of the game we all love. realy dont understand why anybody would want to change the game in such a huge way. its like me turning round saying f1's boring they should all be racing on two wheels!!

[liverbnz]

its like me turning round saying f1's boring they should all be racing on two wheels!!

Yes. That's exactly the same. Turning F1 into Moto GP is equivalant to people wanting the correct decisions in a football match.

[compelling and rich]

its like me turning round saying f1's boring they should all be racing on two wheels!!

Yes. That's exactly the same. Turning F1 into Moto GP is equivalant to people wanting the correct decisions in a football match.

knew that would get a bite, its still completely changes the rules of a sport that has been a huge success for over 150 years

[liverbnz]

Nobody is asking for a change of the rules, or a complete overhaul of the fundamentals of the sport (as your F1 example just did) just the correct application of those rules.

[Stella]

F1 was not the best analogy, as they are always tweaking the rules.

[compelling and rich]

Nobody is asking for a change of the rules, or a complete overhaul of the fundamentals of the sport (as your F1 example just did) just the correct application of those rules.

by totally doing away with linesman and replacing them all with robots, or let them sit watching it on tv?? how is this not completey changing how football will be played

mistakes are all part of football, why is it mark clatternburg gets crucified yet the likes of brad jones makes a mistake and its ok for players to do so, football has been and always will be played by humans and reffed by humans, its about time people drop this mob mentatlity that refs are always the bad guy and realise that these desicions even them selves out over a whole season. they are not doing it against your team on purpose, only the most deluded fans believe that rubbish.

yes the top teams do get more going there way, that is simply because they are attacking these areas and creating these chances more often than the smaller teams meaning simple percentages that more go thier way.

[compelling and rich]

F1 was not the best analogy, as they are always tweaking the rules.

yeah it wasnt even meant as a proper analogy , it was more a very radical example. which is what he was suggesting in getting rid of linesman. but of course they ignore all the other good points to the post and zone in on the one bit to try and make a point

[liverbnz]

C&R

Your arguement is a bit all over the place to be honest. What has Brad Jones making a mistake got to do with the correct decisions being made? If Brad Jones makes a mistake that's for Liverpool to deal with. His mistake does not excuse others from making them.

When the rules are not being applied correctly because the governing bodies of the sport won't pull their heads from the sand and get these referees the help that they need and is readliy available and in use to varying degrees in other sports, then it's a completely different matter. Yes there is always going to be the risk human error, but like in any industry in the world there should be reasonable efforts made to reduce that risk to minimum.

Arguements like 'it's been like this for 150 years' just don't cut it because life and football has moved on and there are errors being made that can be easily rectified by taking a few seconds look at a reply.

As for 'the big teams get more there way', what do you mean by this?

[socal1976]

Nobody is asking for a change of the rules, or a complete overhaul of the fundamentals of the sport (as your F1 example just did) just the correct application of those rules.

Bingo, that is all you have to say. People who support the current system are ok with 10 percent of missed calls that we witness in the modern game. But when goals are at such a premium in today's football and the stakes are so large what is wrong about implementing a system that allows us to reach the right result 99 plus percent of the time. I am an Arsenal fan, and I put myself in chelsea fan or liverpool fans position or lets be honest QPR fan's shoes, and if a team goes down or fails to win a title because of stuff like this or a coach gets fired because of missed calls that are PREVENTABLE then it is due to fifa's incompetence and nothing else.

[socal1976]

C&R

Your arguement is a bit all over the place to be honest. What has Brad Jones making a mistake got to do with the correct decisions being made? If Brad Jones makes a mistake that's for Liverpool to deal with. His mistake does not excuse others from making them.

When the rules are not being applied correctly because the governing bodies of the sport won't pull their heads from the sand and get these referees the help that they need and is readliy available and in use to varying degrees in other sports, then it's a completely different matter. Yes there is always going to be the risk human error, but like in any industry in the world there should be reasonable efforts made to reduce that risk to minimum.

Arguements like 'it's been like this for 150 years' just don't cut it because life and football has moved on and there are errors being made that can be easily rectified by taking a few seconds look at a reply.

As for 'the big teams get more there way', what do you mean by this?

Excellent post, the number one fans of this system will be the officials. Do you think Clattenburg is enjoying himself right now, don't you think life would have been much easier for him if that last goal was not counted? Fifa at this point is incapable of doing anything major to help the game, because of infighting, corruption, and cronyism. Frankly it is a gross abdication of their responsibilities as managers of the game that with the amount of technology we have in this world that they haven't come up with a speedy review process for offsides shows their ineptitude. They are either too divided, too stupid, too scared, or too corrupt; whatever the answer is in my mind the fact that in the world of gigantic city sized particle acclerators that measure tiny pieces of atoms, and yet Fifa in 150 years hasn't figured out how to call the offsides correctly. That tells you all you need to know about these keystone cops, who if they weren't selling football would probably be delivering pizzas somewhere.

[socal1976]

Not wrong, it isn't available on all courts or at all ATP tour events.

It and the let chord device (cyclops I believe) are out of use relatively frequently bet the year.

It's got an error margin of 4mm or so for recorded shots (not predicted paths) and numerous players have complained. In cricket also I believe India and Australia aren't fans.

Also umpire abuse hasn't decreased with it, some of the worst examples including serena Williams threatening physical violence towards a line judge have been since its intro.

It is a very good device but to suggest it would revolutionise football is wrong, it would ruin it by slowing the game down to a crawl.

Wrong, Ent, if you obviously haven't watched tennis much lately if you think that fighting between player and official is worse now than it was before. I agree on the net chord technology, but the shot spot technology is loved by fan and player a like. Do you remember Mcenroe refusing to play and getting disqualified over calls? Do you remember connors and his tirades? Or Nastase flicking people off? Shot spot has basically taken 90 percent of the figthing out of tennis.And by the way serena got into a fight with the lines person over a foot fault call, no machine was involved. As usual she took umbrage with a human call, it is kind of silly to fight with a machine isn't it?

[compelling and rich]

PLease show me this full prove system thats going to help the refs out with offsides and players diving, already picked holes through most ideas. If thier was a full prove system it would be in place. There isnt, and simply saying get rid of linesman or re watch all incidents on review isnt helping anybody

[Born Slippy]

Couldn't there be a similar review system to tennis/cricket? A captain could have two challenges a match. That wouldn't have too much impact on the flow of the match. Referee's decision standing unless clearly wrong.

[compelling and rich]

Couldn't there be a similar review system to tennis/cricket? A captain could have two challenges a match. That wouldn't have too much impact on the flow of the match. Referee's decision standing unless clearly wrong.

There is so much more subjectivity in footballing decisions than just whether a ball is in or out. On offsides etc it could work but many decisions not everybody agrees on who would decide

[Born Slippy]

Yes, as there is in cricket and rugby as well. That's easily solved by saying the decision stands unless clearly wrong.

[compelling and rich]

IM not saying its the worst idea, just wont stop this so called injustice that the others are talking about. Take the torres one for example, most people would agree the wrong decision was made, yet clattenburg stands by it, because he said torres made the most of it and tried to win a foul, something in that aspect I agree with. Others will disagree who's right?

The other bit would be, when do you stop a game to challenge? Say a attacking team get called offside the other team break straight away but the oppostion captain challenges just to stop them even though the guy was clearly offside, this isnt something thats going to add to the game. The other bit would be if the captain or manager cant be heard or seen making a appeal, how long do you give it, if play carries on?

[socal1976]

IM not saying its the worst idea, just wont stop this so called injustice that the others are talking about. Take the torres one for example, most people would agree the wrong decision was made, yet clattenburg stands by it, because he said torres made the most of it and tried to win a foul, something in that aspect I agree with. Others will disagree who's right?

The other bit would be, when do you stop a game to challenge? Say a attacking team get called offside the other team break straight away but the oppostion captain challenges just to stop them even though the guy was clearly offside, this isnt something thats going to add to the game. The other bit would be if the captain or manager cant be heard or seen making a appeal, how long do you give it, if play carries on?

Great idea born slippy in American football and in tennis coaches and players get a set number of challenges. That way the game is not slowed down dramitically. Every where they have tried replay technology it has been embraced for the most part by the fans and players and coaches. The fact remains that while no system is 100 percent with modern technology there is no debate that we could have a much fairer and better system in play.

[Ent]

IM not saying its the worst idea, just wont stop this so called injustice that the others are talking about. Take the torres one for example, most people would agree the wrong decision was made, yet clattenburg stands by it, because he said torres made the most of it and tried to win a foul, something in that aspect I agree with. Others will disagree who's right?

The other bit would be, when do you stop a game to challenge? Say a attacking team get called offside the other team break straight away but the oppostion captain challenges just to stop them even though the guy was clearly offside, this isnt something thats going to add to the game. The other bit would be if the captain or manager cant be heard or seen making a appeal, how long do you give it, if play carries on?

Great idea born slippy in American football and in tennis coaches and players get a set number of challenges. That way the game is not slowed down dramitically. Every where they have tried replay technology it has been embraced for the most part by the fans and players and coaches. The fact remains that while no system is 100 percent with modern technology there is no debate that we could have a much fairer and better system in play.

All these sports have natural breaks so play is not disrupted. It's not feasible really.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I bet Reading's first win of the season will come against us in two weeks

[Ent]

So clattenburg is alleged to have called mikel a monkey in ear shot of two Chelsea players, who responded by going to the referees room and threatening to break his legs.

I can't see this ending well for Chelsea, though if he is guilty hope he is found out and prosecuted.

[azania]

Ent

Remove predictive spelling from your phone. I dont understand what you're saying. Who is miles and genus?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I can't take Chelsea trying to fight racism seriously whilst they still have John Terry as there captain. In fact I still think he should have been sacked

[Guest]

My weekend predictions:

Man Utd 3 Arsenal 1
Spurs 4 Wigan 0
Swansea 1 Chelsea 2
Sunderland 2 A Villa 0
Fulham 2 Everton 2
Norwich 2 Stoke 1
West Ham 1 Man City 1

Sunday:

QPR 3 Reading 2
Liverpool 1 Newcastle 1

Monday:

West Brom 3 Southampton 1

Goals, goals, goals!!

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