England v South Africa ODIs

England have named their squad, which sees Broad rested but not Swann:

Cook (c), Anderson, Bairstow, Bell, Bopara, Bresnan, Dernbach, Finn, Kieswetter, Morgan, Patel, Swann, Trott, Woakes

not many surprises there, something looked a bit wrong with Broad during the tests so it's not a surprise to not see him in there.

Cook Bell Trott Bopara Morgan Kieswetter Bresnan Woakes Swann Anderson Finn as a starting XI? Has Bairstow done enough to force his way into the side? The only one I see him replacing there would be Kieswetter TBH (which would mean giving him the gloves too). Patel for Woakes if we fancy two spinners. Dernbach will get a game at some point.

It's quite a small squad which makes me think they'll be changes made as the series progresses.

Gonna say 3-2 England in this series. Which will be enough to retain the No.1 ODI Ranking. The team I'd pick would be:

Cook (C)
Kieswetter (WK)
Trott
Bell
Bairstow
Morgan
Bresnan
Woakes
Swann
Finn
Anderson

Duty281 wrote:Gonna say 3-2 England in this series. Which will be enough to retain the No.1 ODI Ranking. The team I'd pick would be:

Cook (C)
Kieswetter (WK)
Trott
Bell
Bairstow
Morgan
Bresnan
Woakes
Swann
Finn
Anderson

Bell was brought back to open - that's where he'll bat.

Bell at 4 is not a good option, as he's shown time and time again, he just doesn't score quickly enough. Also dropping Bopara surely harsh given his recent ODI form? Though I would like to get Bairstow into the side if at all possible.

I'd try to get Bairstow into the side if possible, given the way he batted yesterday SA will be somewhat fearful of him. But I don't see how he fits in - Bopara's recent ODI form has been stellar, Cook and Bell have to open, Kieswetter is the keeper (Bairstow is a fairly average keeper, although in the future that will probably be the way) and Morgan is England's best ODI bat.

How undroppable is Trott?

Mad for Chelsea wrote:not many surprises there, something looked a bit wrong with Broad during the tests so it's not a surprise to not see him in there.

Cook Bell Trott Bopara Morgan Kieswetter Bresnan Woakes Swann Anderson Finn as a starting XI? Has Bairstow done enough to force his way into the side? The only one I see him replacing there would be Kieswetter TBH (which would mean giving him the gloves too). Patel for Woakes if we fancy two spinners. Dernbach will get a game at some point.

It's quite a small squad which makes me think they'll be changes made as the series progresses.

Swap Bresnan and Woakes around in the batting order and you're there for me.

Mike Selig wrote:I'd try to get Bairstow into the side if possible, given the way he batted yesterday SA will be somewhat fearful of him. But I don't see how he fits in - Bopara's recent ODI form has been stellar, Cook and Bell have to open, Kieswetter is the keeper (Bairstow is a fairly average keeper, although in the future that will probably be the way) and Morgan is England's best ODI bat.

How undroppable is Trott?

I think against SA I'd want Trott in the side, as we're likely to lose an early wicket on occasion, and not too sure how confident I would be with Bops at n°3. Like I say, the only way I see of getting Bairstow in is instead of Kieswetter (Mike: what does "fairly average" mean? compared to say AB?) and I actually think Bairstow would be better suited to n°6 than Kieswetter anyway. Another option is to play an extra batsman, but I'm not confident of getting through ten overs of Bops and Trott, not confident at all...

I would agree with Shanky, Woakes is a better bat than Bresnan as shown in the recent Lions matches (and in fact those showed that in the future Woakes may be good enough to bat 7 in tests).

Shanky, would you not want Bairstow in the side? I'm thinking what would SA want?

Mike Selig wrote:I'd try to get Bairstow into the side if possible, given the way he batted yesterday SA will be somewhat fearful of him. But I don't see how he fits in - Bopara's recent ODI form has been stellar, Cook and Bell have to open, Kieswetter is the keeper (Bairstow is a fairly average keeper, although in the future that will probably be the way) and Morgan is England's best ODI bat.

How undroppable is Trott?

Not in great form of late so maybe an option to drop him. I fear out of form Trott could waste quite a few deliveries. When in form though, he is a must have for me.

yes yes, my mistake. Woakes is a far better bat than Bresnan, and would bat above him in my team, certainly.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

Mike Selig wrote:I'd try to get Bairstow into the side if possible, given the way he batted yesterday SA will be somewhat fearful of him. But I don't see how he fits in - Bopara's recent ODI form has been stellar, Cook and Bell have to open, Kieswetter is the keeper (Bairstow is a fairly average keeper, although in the future that will probably be the way) and Morgan is England's best ODI bat.

How undroppable is Trott?

I think against SA I'd want Trott in the side, as we're likely to lose an early wicket on occasion, and not too sure how confident I would be with Bops at n°3. Like I say, the only way I see of getting Bairstow in is instead of Kieswetter (Mike: what does "fairly average" mean? compared to say AB?) and I actually think Bairstow would be better suited to n°6 than Kieswetter anyway. Another option is to play an extra batsman, but I'm not confident of getting through ten overs of Bops and Trott, not confident at all...

About the same as AB, similar technical ability but gets by on the main because he's a natural athlete. The difference is the England keeper will have to stand up to Swann and Bopara at least, whereas the SA keeper will only need to deal with Botha and possible Peterson. In any case I don't particularly like AB keeping for SA either (in the absence of Kallis I understand the reasoning though).

10 overs of Bopara and Trott is a rubbish idea: with the change in PP regs you know they're going to be between 11-15 and 21-35, and will mean no pressure during those middle overs. It will negate Swann (who will bowl 10 overs for 30 or so) and mean SA have plenty of wickets in hand coming into the last 10 - a recipe for disaster as AB, Morkel and co make hay.

Mike Selig wrote:About the same as AB, similar technical ability but gets by on the main because he's a natural athlete. The difference is the England keeper will have to stand up to Swann and Bopara at least, whereas the SA keeper will only need to deal with Botha and possible Peterson. In any case I don't particularly like AB keeping for SA either (in the absence of Kallis I understand the reasoning though).

Hmm if he's as "good" a keeper as AB I'd actually be tempted, though as you say he'd have to keep to Swann (AB struggled with Tahir in the tests). Thing is, Kieswetter isn't that great a keeper either (though he is better than AB) and I really would like to find a place for Bairstow... Don't think England will do it though, which unfortunately means I think Bairstow will miss out.

Mike Selig wrote:10 overs of Bopara and Trott is a rubbish idea

I know, I was just going through the various options...

On current form, Bairstow for Trott is an option.

I'd expect the team to be Cook, Bell, Trott, Bopara, Morgan, Kieswetter, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Dernbach/ Patel, Anderson, Finn. I'd quite like to see Woakes rather than Dernbach but I don't think England will go that way, particularly with the World T20 immediately in mind.

Kieswetter v Bairstow? Kieswetter's done enough to keep his place for now and, again with a World T20 coming up, I don't see them switching to Bairstow any time soon.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:On current form, Bairstow for Trott is an option.

England's ODI plan works and Trott is an important part of that.

Shelsey93 wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:On current form, Bairstow for Trott is an option.

England's ODI plan works and Trott is an important part of that.

Oh sure! I am a big fan of Trott. Just stating a possible option. Might make sense to give JB some exposure ahead of the World T20.

Shelsey93 wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:On current form, Bairstow for Trott is an option.

England's ODI plan works and Trott is an important part of that.

It has worked, but Cook, Bell & Trott don't look in great form - let's hope the change of format is liberating for them.

I wonder what our team would look like.

Smith
Amla
Kallis
FaF du Plessis
AB
Duminy
Ryan Mclaren
Albie Morkel
Tsotsobe
Steyn
Parnell

amanuensis wrote:

Shelsey93 wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:On current form, Bairstow for Trott is an option.

England's ODI plan works and Trott is an important part of that.

It has worked, but Cook, Bell & Trott don't look in great form - let's hope the change of format is liberating for them.

In ODIs we've won our last 10 completed matches. Confidence from that (and how good our plan is) should hopefully return.

Will be a tougher test this time as SA, whilst not themselves than consistent in ODIs, use a similar sort of good plan to us. Amla and Smith will be up the top in the Cook/ Bell role, they have power down the order (AB, Duminy, Albie Morkel) and have as good a pace attack as us.

Without Kallis, I'd say that we are the favourites for this series. 4-1 to England is my prediction. Don't seem to remember SA winning too many ODI's against us.

Biltong wrote:I wonder what our team would look like.

Smith
Amla
Kallis
FaF du Plessis
AB
Duminy
Ryan Mclaren
Albie Morkel
Tsotsobe
Steyn
Parnell

Kallis rested, and I think Morne Morkel will play - he's been good in one-dayers of late. So probably Smith, Amla, Duminy/ du Plessis, de Villiers, Duminy/ du Plessis, A. Morkel, Peterson, McLaren/ Tahir, M. Morkel, Steyn, Tsotsobe.

A lot of either ors in their I know!

Overall record is england 19 SA 23 wins and 1 tied, with 2 no results.

But since 2008 England has only lost once.

Biltong wrote:Overall record is england 19 SA 23 wins and 1 tied, with 2 no results.

But since 2008 England has only lost once.

Yep, I was talking about recent form. The only ODI we've lost was at Cape Town, I think, a ground where SA hardly ever lose.

would SA really go into the ODIs without a spinner biltong?

Mad, they have Duminy and would probably put Robin Peterson in.

England have to go in with 5 front-line bowlers, that's been the key to our recent success. Absolutely no let-up for the South African batsman in the 50 overs. Finn is a must, and I'd definitely start with Swann. Other then that, Bresnan and Anderson would probably make it, then one of Dernbach and Woakes. I'm not sure if Patel is a good enough bowler to be relied on for 10.

And if we are going with 5 bowlers (therefore 5 batsman and a batsman-keeper), then we need a reliable top 3 who can bat long and hold an innings together. In the absence of KP, that's Cook, Bell and Trott. Not sure if Bopara makes this bracket yet, but Bopara is a good option at 4, as he can accumulate or hit out and also, if conditions suit, he can be a handy bowler.

Morgan should be 5. The man's class. Which leaves a shoot-out between Kieswetter and Bairstow at 6. I'd give Kieswetter the nod for now, but Bairstow is a great option as he can come in as either a straight swap for Kieswetter or come in at 5 (with 4 of Cook, Bell, Trott, Bopara and Morgan in the top 4) as form/fitness necessitates.

Really excited for this ODI series, hoping to see a backlash from the England side.

IMO

1.Cook (c)
2.Bell
3.Trott
4.Bopara
5.Morgan
6.Bairstow
7.Kieswetter (wk)
8.Woakes
9.Swann
10.Anderson or Dernbach
11.Finn

I'd expect to see:

A Cook (c)
I Bell
J Trott
R Bopara
E Morgan
C Kieswetter (wk)
T Bresnan
S Broad
G Swann
J Anderson
J Dernbach

vs.

G Smith
H Amla
A De Villiers (c/wk)
F Du Plessis
J Duminy
The reserve batsman (Ontong?)
A Morkel
R Peterson
D Steyn
M Morkel
L Totsobe

[quote="jbd349"]I'd expect to see:

A Cook (c)
I Bell
J Trott
R Bopara
E Morgan
C Kieswetter (wk)
T Bresnan
S Broad
G Swann
J Anderson
J Dernbach


Broad is rested and rightly so, something not right with him.

Eng:

Cook
Bell
Trott
Bopara
Morgan
Bairstow
Kieswetter
Woakes
Swann
Anderson
Finn


Dernbach Should never play imo.

England won't go with only 4 bowlers, and then muddle through 10 overs with Bopara/Trott. It's not how they've got to actually being decent at ODI cricket. They've built their success on 5 specialist bowlers, and will continue in that vein.

Cook
Bell
Trott
Bopara
Morgan
Kieswetter
Woakes
Bresnan
Swann
Anderson
Finn

I think that side will start the series, and it is nice to see Woakes get a go as his form this year warrants it. I'm not sure how well his bowling in particular will go but he deserves his chance and I hope he takes it. He could be a very useful player in terms of balancing the side. I expect to see Bairstow (for Kies/Trott) and Dernbach (for Anderson) get games at some point though.

Jd you are probably right about the 5 bowlers, that has brought success, just looks a strong batting line-up and Bops bowled quite a lot against Aus recently, again in addition to the other 5 bowlers though.

But Dernbach on the other hand is imo just way too predictable. He was touted as a great death bowler. I have never seen it. 15 Odi's. 20 wkts at over 38, economy over 6 and over 6 overs per wkt.

He must be highly thought of somewhere though.

Bopara did bowl well against the Aussies, but I wouldn't trust him with 10 overs just yet (especially against a strong SA batting line up) what with his personal problems and his mental state unknown added in. As for Dernbach, his ODI record is underwhelming at the moment but he does have some T20 pedigree so he is worth persevering with in the squad for the moment.

Well, I think England has a bit of an obsession with Dernbach, a seam bowler who bowls a bit quick as a variation could be a novelty in the first few games, thereafter not much of a point. He was dreadful in India last year and MSD, Raina and even Ravindra Jadeja smashed him around with ease. Could be of some use in the T-20 format, but I think Woakes, who moves the ball around at decent pace would be a better option, and the lad is a propper bet at 7.
My concerns about Ian Bell the openers aren't addressed completely as yet. Of course Bell scored a quick ton against the West Indies and scored consistent runs since then. But after his first couple of innings his strike rate went down and although a case could be made that he was batting against a moving new ball and so he had to hold off, the point is the after he slowed down there was not much of recovery. Remember against Australia a 75 he scored took some 113 balls. We all know Jonathan Trott is a bit of a one paced batter, but for the number 3 to score at 75-80 SR is alright, and without ever upping it much, Trott has maintained that SR. Alastair Cook has emerged as one of the best ODI batters for England in recent times much to the surprise of many but if both Bell and Trott slow down big, then that would be asking far too much of Cook. Bopara too at best is a run a ball type of player, and we have to see how he would go about dealing with a quality attack like that of South Africa. Kieswetter too is not an ideal middle order finisher coming in at 6, and so too much will depend on Eoin Morgan. With No Stuart Broad coming down the order, England will be better off going with Woakes rather than Dernbach. And Bairstow should find a place in that middle order sooner rather than later, and as a regular FC keeper something ABDV isn't, I am sure he would improve s a keeper and the ODI format could be a good starting place. We all remember all those catches that Prior put down of poor old Ryen Sidebottom don't we? And we all would have read that Prior's recent drop of Hashim Amla was his first in 2 years standing back. Tells something.

msp83 wrote:Well, I think England has a bit of an obsession with Dernbach, a seam bowler who bowls a bit quick as a variation could be a novelty in the first few games, thereafter not much of a point. He was dreadful in India last year and MSD, Raina and even Ravindra Jadeja smashed him around with ease. Could be of some use in the T-20 format, but I think Woakes, who moves the ball around at decent pace would be a better option, and the lad is a propper bet at 7.
My concerns about Ian Bell the openers aren't addressed completely as yet. Of course Bell scored a quick ton against the West Indies and scored consistent runs since then. But after his first couple of innings his strike rate went down and although a case could be made that he was batting against a moving new ball and so he had to hold off, the point is the after he slowed down there was not much of recovery. Remember against Australia a 75 he scored took some 113 balls. We all know Jonathan Trott is a bit of a one paced batter, but for the number 3 to score at 75-80 SR is alright, and without ever upping it much, Trott has maintained that SR. Alastair Cook has emerged as one of the best ODI batters for England in recent times much to the surprise of many but if both Bell and Trott slow down big, then that would be asking far too much of Cook. Bopara too at best is a run a ball type of player, and we have to see how he would go about dealing with a quality attack like that of South Africa. Kieswetter too is not an ideal middle order finisher coming in at 6, and so too much will depend on Eoin Morgan. With No Stuart Broad coming down the order, England will be better off going with Woakes rather than Dernbach. And Bairstow should find a place in that middle order sooner rather than later, and as a regular FC keeper something ABDV isn't, I am sure he would improve s a keeper and the ODI format could be a good starting place. We all remember all those catches that Prior put down of poor old Ryen Sidebottom don't we? And we all would have read that Prior's recent drop of Hashim Amla was his first in 2 years standing back. Tells something.

Some good points there msp, particularly the Bairstow/Kieswetter exchange. Where maybe you risk the odd missed chance behind the stumps in exchange for a better bat. Worth considering.

msp83 wrote:Well, I think England has a bit of an obsession with Dernbach, a seam bowler who bowls a bit quick as a variation could be a novelty in the first few games, thereafter not much of a point. He was dreadful in India last year and MSD, Raina and even Ravindra Jadeja smashed him around with ease. Could be of some use in the T-20 format, but I think Woakes, who moves the ball around at decent pace would be a better option, and the lad is a propper bet at 7.
My concerns about Ian Bell the openers aren't addressed completely as yet. Of course Bell scored a quick ton against the West Indies and scored consistent runs since then. But after his first couple of innings his strike rate went down and although a case could be made that he was batting against a moving new ball and so he had to hold off, the point is the after he slowed down there was not much of recovery. Remember against Australia a 75 he scored took some 113 balls. We all know Jonathan Trott is a bit of a one paced batter, but for the number 3 to score at 75-80 SR is alright, and without ever upping it much, Trott has maintained that SR. Alastair Cook has emerged as one of the best ODI batters for England in recent times much to the surprise of many but if both Bell and Trott slow down big, then that would be asking far too much of Cook. Bopara too at best is a run a ball type of player, and we have to see how he would go about dealing with a quality attack like that of South Africa. Kieswetter too is not an ideal middle order finisher coming in at 6, and so too much will depend on Eoin Morgan. With No Stuart Broad coming down the order, England will be better off going with Woakes rather than Dernbach. And Bairstow should find a place in that middle order sooner rather than later, and as a regular FC keeper something ABDV isn't, I am sure he would improve s a keeper and the ODI format could be a good starting place. We all remember all those catches that Prior put down of poor old Ryen Sidebottom don't we? And we all would have read that Prior's recent drop of Hashim Amla was his first in 2 years standing back. Tells something.

I'm not worried about strike rates. First because I know Bell and Cook can both go quicker if really needed, and second because I think its rarely needed. The one-day plan works really well - these days with two new balls you can't go gung ho up top and expect to survive, whilst with batting powerplays and the skills batsmen have acquired from T20 you can make up for it bigtime later if you have wickets in hand.

There is an argument that in Asia you need to score more quickly, but my view would be that the batsmen we have are capable of this, and that even in Asia its important to keep wickets in hand. The openers must be able to make big scores, and we have that - so do India with Sehwag and WIndies with Gayle, Kieswetter or whoever isn't good enough to do that however good their strike rate is.

skyeman wrote:
Some good points there msp, particularly the Bairstow/Kieswetter exchange. Where maybe you risk the odd missed chance behind the stumps in exchange for a better bat. Worth considering.

I doubt there is a huge gulf in keeping standards between Kieswetter and Bairstow. But the point stands that England rate Kieswetter as a better one-day batsman (that's why he's in the team) than Prior, Bairstow and the rest. And in fairness Kieswetter hasn't let them down this summer - he didn't get much opportunity v WI.

Can't see this team posting big scores in the sub continent, Shelsey. This team works fine in England but in India, 320 is just about par. We might have to pick high risk players over there. If Hales/Bairstow/Buttler can have a good World T20 in subcontinental conditions, one of them or maybe even two of them can play ahead of Bell and Trott in India. Also Patel ahead of Bresnan as 2 spinners will be needed in Limited overs cricket in Asia.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Can't see this team posting big scores in the sub continent, Shelsey. This team works fine in England but in India, 320 is just about par. We might have to pick high risk players over there. If Hales/Bairstow/Buttler can have a good World T20 in subcontinental conditions, one of them or maybe even two of them can play ahead of Bell and Trott in India. Also Patel ahead of Bresnan as 2 spinners will be needed in Limited overs cricket in Asia.

Bell & Trott are top order batsmen, whereas Bairstow & Buttler aren't - you can't substitute really.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Can't see this team posting big scores in the sub continent, Shelsey. This team works fine in England but in India, 320 is just about par. We might have to pick high risk players over there. If Hales/Bairstow/Buttler can have a good World T20 in subcontinental conditions, one of them or maybe even two of them can play ahead of Bell and Trott in India. Also Patel ahead of Bresnan as 2 spinners will be needed in Limited overs cricket in Asia.

320 is par in a series featuring India and Sri Lanka, West Indies etc. (i.e. where neither side has a particularly effective bowling attack)

But I'd back England's bowlers to win us 50 runs over India's in any game. Also, we've struggled really badly in one-day cricket in India - some stability and steady run-scoring wouldn't go amiss. Patel for Bresnan is obviously a given and I'd argue is a good idea on a lot of English pitches too.

Bairstow could certainly move up the order technically in time (he reminds me a bit, and I say a bit, of a young Ricky Ponting without the murderous pull shot). I used to have this theory that Morgan should open in ODIs but the 2 new balls have convinced me otherwise.

England always seemed to be so behind in their ODI strategy but the recent rule changes seem to have brought the world back.

I do share some of shanky's concerns about the effectiveness of solidity at the top of the order in the sub-continent, where it is still probably the best time to bat against the new ball(s!).

1. Cook
2. Bell
3.Bopara
4. Morgan
5. Bairstow
6. Kieswetter
7. Bresnan
8. Swann
9. Broad
10. Tredwell
11. Finn

Be my ODI team in the sub continent

Shelsey93 wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Can't see this team posting big scores in the sub continent, Shelsey. This team works fine in England but in India, 320 is just about par. We might have to pick high risk players over there. If Hales/Bairstow/Buttler can have a good World T20 in subcontinental conditions, one of them or maybe even two of them can play ahead of Bell and Trott in India. Also Patel ahead of Bresnan as 2 spinners will be needed in Limited overs cricket in Asia.

320 is par in a series featuring India and Sri Lanka, West Indies etc. (i.e. where neither side has a particularly effective bowling attack)

But I'd back England's bowlers to win us 50 runs over India's in any game. Also, we've struggled really badly in one-day cricket in India - some stability and steady run-scoring wouldn't go amiss. Patel for Bresnan is obviously a given and I'd argue is a good idea on a lot of English pitches too.

In the subcontinent? Really? Well, the last year's ODI series in India proved otherwise.

Actually, KP is available for ODIs now. I think and hope everything will be sorted by then. So :

Cook
KP
Bopara
Bairstow
Morgan
Kieswetter(wk)
Patel
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson

In the subcontinent

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Really? Well, the last year's ODI series in India proved otherwise.

Yes, I think so. We played rubbish in that series, but we can do much better. We also weren't using our current plan back then. India's seamers did very little that I can remember.

Shelsey93 wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Really? Well, the last year's ODI series in India proved otherwise.

Yes, I think so. We played rubbish in that series, but we can do much better. We also weren't using our current plan back then. India's seamers did very little that I can remember.

Actually, the Indian seamers had a much better series than ours barring Finn, who bowled well. But you're right. We are capable of doing much better and when in form, much better than the Indian seamers. But a 50 runs advantage is a bit of an exaggeration IMO. I think its very risky going into a series in India assuming that the bowlers, no matter how good they are, are going to restrict them to under 300. Any team wanting to win in India has to be prepared of consistently chasing/setting 300+ scores. If the bowlers win us ODI matches in India (and our bowlers are good enough to do that) then thats a bonus but not something that should be banked upon regularly. The batting line up has to be picked with a view to score 300+.

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Actually, KP is available for ODIs now. I think and hope everything will be sorted by then. So :

Cook
KP
Bopara
Bairstow
Morgan
Kieswetter(wk)
Patel
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson

In the subcontinent

So you'd drop 2 batsmen (completely?) & push Bopara (who failed miserably on his last tour there) up the order?

amanuensis wrote:

shankythebiggestengfan wrote:Actually, KP is available for ODIs now. I think and hope everything will be sorted by then. So :

Cook
KP
Bopara
Bairstow
Morgan
Kieswetter(wk)
Patel
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson

In the subcontinent

So you'd drop 2 batsmen (completely?) & push Bopara (who failed miserably on his last tour there) up the order?

Just for that tour. Trott and Bell come back in the side in England regardless of what happens in India.

And Pietersen (personally I doubt he'll ever play for England again, but we'll ignore that) would be dropped?

amanuensis wrote:And Pietersen (personally I doubt he'll ever play for England again, but we'll ignore that) would be dropped?

Yes.