Mayweather, Pac - Yawn

Seems to me since the announcement of TMT promotions that the May v Pac fight is more likely than ever. Pac seems to be pushing for it more behind the scenes and May more open to it. But don't they realise the fight has lost its luster? I mean, nobody can tell me Pac beats May now. I don't even think it is close and itis at least 3 years overdue. They blew it, so why can't they just move on anf fight more competative opponents.

Pac v Cotto might happen again and I think that would be a far closer fight than before.

May has less options, but Sergio at 154 would be amazing should he beat Junior.

Just give up on Pac v May. It will be far mroe fun arguing on here hwo would have won in five years time than talking about whther Pac got spanked cause he was old, or whether the juice simply wore off.

FMW was always going to wait till Pac lost his speed as that's was his strength, the fact he came with such a work rate and so many angles with such speed and power gave him a decent chance against FMW... once that speed goes then FMW knows he has the size advantage that he uses well.

So Floyd now wants the fight because he is more confident he will get the win, and Manny wants it because he has always wanted it as a big pay day before he just sticks to politics, regardless of a win or loss.

I agree the fight should have happened three years ago when Pac was a threat to him.

Makes me kinda mad to even think about them fighting now. Going to be like RJJ v Bhop two soon

i hope bradley gets a shot instead, he has much more chance of winning, its pointless fighting pac man, he hasnt got the love for the sport no more.

Blame Manny.

Had he agreed to the tests we would have seen this fight already, but for Manny's insane fear of needles and him turning his nose up at $50MILLION DOLLORS.

Blame PBF.

Moving the goal posts everytime the Pac team conceded (including to the drug tests), Floyd did everything he did to make sure the fight wouldn't happen. Manny should have taken the tests, and got the fight made, but as equal p4p#1 he had no right to be talked down to or ordered around. Plus, even if he had, we have no guarantee Floyd wouldn't have come up with something else (didn't Snr come out with some rubbish about not allowing Manny to train in the Philippines at one point?!).

I believe that both camps have to share the blame, to some extent, between them for the fight never happening. But in terms of the two fighters in question themselves, I genuinely think that Pacquiao wants, and has always wanted, the fight. I don't for a single second think that the same can be said of Mayweather.

Olympic-style drug testing, no 50:50 split, won't negotiate with Pacquiao unless he leaves Arum, and on and on we go. My personal favourite, however, was "well where was Pacquiao for a fight when I was dominating back in '98, '99, '00 etc?" Erm, down at around 112 lb, Floyd...

Public opinion, for whatever reason, seems to have swung drastically over the past twelve months; Floyd was largely derided as a ducker back in 2009 / 2010, but is now somehow seen as a beacon of shining light in a corrupt sport, a man who is single-handedly cleaning up the game, and who has, in actual fact, wanted the Pacquiao fight from the off, and never had any reason to be mindful of the threat Pacquiao carried.

All of which is nonsense.

"He's a midget, an easy pay day" said Floyd. A lot of talk, not much follow through. There was nothing to stop the fight happening back in 2009 / 2010 when it would have been at its biggest, most lucrative and most meaningful. Others, particularly Bob Arum, have thrown spanners in to the works since, but the first spanner was most definitely chucked in by Mayweather. When Pacquio was at his best, he just didn't want to know, as far as I'm concerned.

He could sign to fight Pacquiao now, outclass him comprehensively for nine rounds and then knock him out in the tenth, and he still wouldn't get the respect he could have had from me, had he only taken the fight when the whole world wanted him to.

The idea that anyone emerges from this farce with even a scrap of credit is laughable to me. There is so much rumour, counter rumour and BS doing the rounds none of us can truly know why this fight didn’t happen, because irrespective of what D4 may delude himself to the contrary none of us were privy to the negotiations which took place which means we have to formulate an opinion based on the word of someone like Arum, Floyd or De La Hoya. Truth is I’d sooner trust Gary Glitter with a classroom full of kids than I’d believe a word anyone of those guys says.

What we do know though is for a good couple of years the two best fighters in the world were Floyd and Manny and they both operated in the same division and had they chose to fight it would have been one of, if not the, largest fights in boxing history, could have reinvigorated the sport and could have provided the perfect response to the “boxing is dying” prophets of doom and they chose to do none of these things. The pair of them have took a dump on the sport that has made them millionaires countless times over. That said the fans are not blameless in this affair, had their respective fights after the negotiations fell apart done 100,000 on PPV rather than 1 million plus you can be damned sure the stumbling blocks to this fight happening would have soon vanished.

it's always hard to tell with all the smoke and mirrors, but given pac in my view has a record of taking on the more high risk fights (or ones that looked it at the time) , i'm inclined to side with Chris' perspective on this

The only risky fight he took was cotto, now I'd take Mosley, cotto, Ortiz and Marquez over margarito, clotted and even older versions of Mosley and Marquez any day.

why was Mayweather's Marquez more risky than Pacquaios? Mayweather fought him blown up and refused to abide by the weight limit himself, knowing he was just a less-good version of himself, hardly risky, whereas Pac fought a guy he'd arguably lost to already that has the perfect style to counteract his strengths.

Manny's Cotto was also a much bigger risk than PBF's and he looked much better doing it. I'd also take Margacheato over a gutless hype-job in Ortiz too.

Can't agree with that, Ghosty. De la Hoya was a massive risk - Pacquiao wasn't to know that getting down to 147 lb would be so damaging for him. Pacquiao had been fighting as a Super-Featherweight just nine months before that fight. Common sense and logic dictates that he was very likely to get pounded, and far more credible and qualified judges than anyone on here turned out extremely wrong for that fight.

I find it alarming how readily Pacquiao's win over Hatton is dismissed these days. Pacquiao was campaigning in a different weight class for a fourth fight in a row (remarkable in itself) against a man who'd been considered the number one 140 lb man for the previous four years and who'd never been beaten at the weight. Hatton was coming in off a good performance / win over Malignaggi, whereas there were still a lot of question marks over how dangerous Pacquiao was scaling more than 130 lb (as he'd received virtually no credit for De la Hoya). Another cracking win for Pacquiao, but an even more incredible performance. Say what you like about Hatton's preparation, but Pacquiao sent shockwaves through boxing with that display.

The fights with Barrera (I) and Bradley, as well as Cotto, were demonstrably risky, too.

As I said above, there has been a huge swing in opinion regarding Floyd and Manny over the past year or so. It puzzles me how Pacquiao's opposition throughout his career, previously considered top class, is now written off all of a sudden.

He's faced top-class opposition and taken risks time and time and time again.

I remember there was a period of about 18 months where Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations were all anyone talked about on here and on everywhere else for that matter. Remember it got to the point where all threads/comments were punted into a special Manny/Floyd news thread? "Yawn" is the correct word to use. I'd be glad to never hear about it again. It's probably the single most embarrassing and sport-damaging episode to happen to boxing in recent memory. Things get to a stage where there's a genuine dispute about the no.1 p4p fighter, and they're both around the same weight, and it's the biggest money fight ever..............but egos will not allow it to happen. I can't think of many other sports where you just wouldn't get to see the event that every fan was clamouring for. As I say, it's a complete embarrassment. No one here knows what went on with negotiations, and no one here knows who was to blame. It's sheer speculation. It's a sad state of affairs when fight fans have wasted so much time and discussion over a prolonged negotiation that they know nothing about rather than actually getting to see a fight. It's been one big disappointing joke.

88Chris05 wrote:Can't agree with that, Ghosty. De la Hoya was a massive risk - Pacquiao wasn't to know that getting down to 147 lb would be so damaging for him.

Manny may not have known, but I would bet my house that Roach knew having trained him before. Throw in the stipulation about De la Hoya not being able to rehydrate above a certain weight and you have a fight that is in fact no more than a glorified sparring session.

I think Chris is absolutely spot on with everything he has said in this thread.

Never been happier to see you back on the boxing board, Fists! How do, mate?

TopHat24/7 wrote:Blame PBF.

Moving the goal posts everytime the Pac team conceded (including to the drug tests), Floyd did everything he did to make sure the fight wouldn't happen. Manny should have taken the tests, and got the fight made, but as equal p4p#1 he had no right to be talked down to or ordered around. Plus, even if he had, we have no guarantee Floyd wouldn't have come up with something else (didn't Snr come out with some rubbish about not allowing Manny to train in the Philippines at one point?!).

What a load of drivel...Pacquiao hasn't conceded to any demand him and his team keep making excuses to why fight can't happen i.e. need to build a imaginary stadium, cut wont heal in time in 6 months etc...Bob Arum said back in 2009 he doesn't care if the fight happens says all you need to know.

Pacquiao along with Chavez are the only people to act like this when asked of testing...this suggests someone has something to hide...If people are suspicious of Chavez surely they have to be suspicious of Pacquiao when he works with the same people.

You and everyone else turn a blind eye to Pacquiao asking every pound Mayweather comes in over 147 he has to pay 10 million, Mayweather agreed to his demand and when asked about testing Pacquiao threw his toys out the pram and ducked Mayweather.

Ortiz, Mosley, Alvarez, Khan, Cotto, Donaire, Garcia, Mayweather have all taken the test to prove clean...3 years on Pacquiao still doesn't take the test.

What's Mayweather Sr got to do with anything?...Pacquiao and his team have never want this fight to happen.

88Chris05 wrote:I believe that both camps have to share the blame, to some extent, between them for the fight never happening. But in terms of the two fighters in question themselves, I genuinely think that Pacquiao wants, and has always wanted, the fight. I don't for a single second think that the same can be said of Mayweather.

Olympic-style drug testing, no 50:50 split, won't negotiate with Pacquiao unless he leaves Arum, and on and on we go. My personal favourite, however, was "well where was Pacquiao for a fight when I was dominating back in '98, '99, '00 etc?" Erm, down at around 112 lb, Floyd...

Public opinion, for whatever reason, seems to have swung drastically over the past twelve months; Floyd was largely derided as a ducker back in 2009 / 2010, but is now somehow seen as a beacon of shining light in a corrupt sport, a man who is single-handedly cleaning up the game, and who has, in actual fact, wanted the Pacquiao fight from the off, and never had any reason to be mindful of the threat Pacquiao carried.

All of which is nonsense.

"He's a midget, an easy pay day" said Floyd. A lot of talk, not much follow through. There was nothing to stop the fight happening back in 2009 / 2010 when it would have been at its biggest, most lucrative and most meaningful. Others, particularly Bob Arum, have thrown spanners in to the works since, but the first spanner was most definitely chucked in by Mayweather. When Pacquio was at his best, he just didn't want to know, as far as I'm concerned.

He could sign to fight Pacquiao now, outclass him comprehensively for nine rounds and then knock him out in the tenth, and he still wouldn't get the respect he could have had from me, had he only taken the fight when the whole world wanted him to.

Pacquiao doesn't deserve 50/50...Mayweather wipes the floor with him with numbers and gross generated...in 2010 Mayweather agreed to 50/50 the only time Pacquiao deserved a split...Yet again you ignore the first spanner the 10m penalty over limit demand Pacquiao made first.

Mayweather was in the pound for pound list in the late nineties, Pacquiao was not...Mayweather signed the contract in 2010...Pacquiao walked away from it this shows you who really wanted the fight back in 2010.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11512.html

If Pacquaio wanted the fight like you said he would have agreed to take the test in 2010.

Snr started that whole Pac-PEDs-test baloney in the first place so he has plenty to do with it.

How was prison by the way? Or did you tough it out in the Yorkshire Dales instead?

The genius of PBF wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:I believe that both camps have to share the blame, to some extent, between them for the fight never happening. But in terms of the two fighters in question themselves, I genuinely think that Pacquiao wants, and has always wanted, the fight. I don't for a single second think that the same can be said of Mayweather.

Olympic-style drug testing, no 50:50 split, won't negotiate with Pacquiao unless he leaves Arum, and on and on we go. My personal favourite, however, was "well where was Pacquiao for a fight when I was dominating back in '98, '99, '00 etc?" Erm, down at around 112 lb, Floyd...

Public opinion, for whatever reason, seems to have swung drastically over the past twelve months; Floyd was largely derided as a ducker back in 2009 / 2010, but is now somehow seen as a beacon of shining light in a corrupt sport, a man who is single-handedly cleaning up the game, and who has, in actual fact, wanted the Pacquiao fight from the off, and never had any reason to be mindful of the threat Pacquiao carried.

All of which is nonsense.

"He's a midget, an easy pay day" said Floyd. A lot of talk, not much follow through. There was nothing to stop the fight happening back in 2009 / 2010 when it would have been at its biggest, most lucrative and most meaningful. Others, particularly Bob Arum, have thrown spanners in to the works since, but the first spanner was most definitely chucked in by Mayweather. When Pacquio was at his best, he just didn't want to know, as far as I'm concerned.

He could sign to fight Pacquiao now, outclass him comprehensively for nine rounds and then knock him out in the tenth, and he still wouldn't get the respect he could have had from me, had he only taken the fight when the whole world wanted him to.

Pacquiao doesn't deserve 50/50...Mayweather wipes the floor with him with numbers and gross generated...in 2010 Mayweather agreed to 50/50 the only time Pacquiao deserved a split...Yet again you ignore the first spanner the 10m penalty over limit demand Pacquiao made first.

Mayweather was in the pound for pound list in the late nineties, Pacquiao was not...Mayweather signed the contract in 2010...Pacquiao walked away from it this shows you who really wanted the fight back in 2010.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11512.html

If Pacquaio wanted the fight like you said he would have agreed to take the test in 2010.

If Mayweather 'wanted' the fight he'd never have come up with the PEDs/take the test tripe when 2009 was Pac was at his peak, looked the most dangerous fighter on the planet, was p4p#1 and had just dismantled Cotto.

TopHat24/7 wrote:why was Mayweather's Marquez more risky than Pacquaios? Mayweather fought him blown up and refused to abide by the weight limit himself, knowing he was just a less-good version of himself, hardly risky, whereas Pac fought a guy he'd arguably lost to already that has the perfect style to counteract his strengths.

Manny's Cotto was also a much bigger risk than PBF's and he looked much better doing it. I'd also take Margacheato over a gutless hype-job in Ortiz too.

The same blown up that schooled Pacquiao in 2011 for the 3rd time at the same weight he got schooled by Mayweather.

The 3rd fight proved that Marquez could fight at that weight...Cotto himself said he is at his best in 2012 because he got his confidence back again from beating Margarito.

Mayweather Mosley was a bigger risk than Cotto Pacquiao....Mayweather fought the 147 champion who was considered top 5 pound for pound whereas Cotto had a life in death struggle with Clottey.

Your precious Pacquiao need catchweights to fight Cotto and Margarito.

It's like a timewarp on here, does anyone fancy a row about Hatton and Witter

The genius of PBF wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:why was Mayweather's Marquez more risky than Pacquaios? Mayweather fought him blown up and refused to abide by the weight limit himself, knowing he was just a less-good version of himself, hardly risky, whereas Pac fought a guy he'd arguably lost to already that has the perfect style to counteract his strengths.

Manny's Cotto was also a much bigger risk than PBF's and he looked much better doing it. I'd also take Margacheato over a gutless hype-job in Ortiz too.

The same blown up that schooled Pacquiao in 2011 for the 3rd time at the same weight he got schooled by Mayweather.

The 3rd fight proved that Marquez could fight at that weight...Cotto himself said he is at his best in 2012 because he got his confidence back again from beating Margarito.

Mayweather Mosley was a bigger risk than Cotto Pacquiao....Mayweather fought the 147 champion who was considered top 5 pound for pound whereas Cotto had a life in death struggle with Clottey.

Your precious Pacquiao need catchweights to fight Cotto and Margarito.

Whereas your precious PBF just arrogantly ignores them.......

rowley wrote:It's like a timewarp on here, does anyone fancy a row about Hatton and Witter

Now PBF/Shantel is back can we invite D4 back for a swansong??

Has been a bit quiet on here recently....

I dont see how you can refer to the PED test issue as tripe. Also I don't see how it put the spanner in the works. All he had to do was take random tests. Its not as if Floyd was asking him to do something he was not prepared to do himself.

If Pacquiao wanted the fight he wouldn't make a penalty over the limit demand first would he and would have agreed to take the test...Mayweather even offered a 14 day cut off date to make the fight happen.

Pacquaio actions are that of a scared man against a fighter who schooled the boxer who beat him twice before.

Pacquiao was the one who walked away.

Pac accepted the 14 day cut-off. Team Money then found another excuse....

azania wrote:I dont see how you can refer to the PED test issue as tripe. Also I don't see how it put the spanner in the works. All he had to do was take random tests. Its not as if Floyd was asking him to do something he was not prepared to do himself.

It's tripe as it was born out of the ramblings of a drug-addled mandman. Manny had been subject to the same drug testing procedures as any other fighter in the sport and Floyd had no right to ask for anything more.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pac accepted the 14 day cut-off. Team Money then found another excuse....

That stops it being random. Plus there are loads of stuff you can take which can be re,oved from your body within 14 days.

Plus Pac agreed to the 14 days after their first talk of fighting had passed.

If JCC Jnr had done the same, people here would be up in arms. Sad but true.

We have seen recently that WADA style testing has caught some boxers. Given the nature of boxing, the most stringent tests possible should be mandatory dont you think. If Floyd has doubts he is within his rights to ask for the most stringent tests possible. It doesn't matter if his dad was a crack head or a Harvard Professor.

Aww Top Hat are you now going to follow me about like you do with Azania and Gordy...Your boxing knowledge is worse than Waingro.

Difference is Mayweather never asked for the catchweight Marquez did.

Marquez strength and conditioner Heredia is a known steriod dealer from the past for the Pacquiao fight...Alex Ariza pointed this out and said I guess he works with the same guys as Bolt.

Marquez said he was willing to be tested anytime as long as Pacquiao did the tests...funny how team Pacquiao went quiet.

Mayweather Sr is not part of the Money team so has nothing to with anything.

Yippee!! A Pac v Floyd debate - this is sure to be entirely rational and reasoned. I'm going to just sit back with a cup of tea and a chocolate hob nob and let it wash all over me!

P.S. I tihnk it's only fair that D4 be invited back to provide suitable ballast in the face of PBF's "FACTS".

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pac accepted the 14 day cut-off. Team Money then found another excuse....

No he didn't...Mayweather said straight after the fight that the cut off and split are off the table...Funny how after that "Pacquiao agreed to it" knowing full well it was off the table...Read the link I put on that shows you who makes the excuses which is team Pacquiao.

superflyweight wrote:Yippee!! A Pac v Floyd debate - this is sure to be entirely rational and reasoned. I'm going to just sit back with a cup of tea and a chocolate hob nob and let it wash all over me!

P.S. I tihnk it's only fair that D4 be invited back to provide suitable ballast in the face of PBF's "FACTS".

I would rather invite coxy back the next time Roy Jones gets debated. Am in the process of going through the moderators handbook to see if the fact you find a subject boring and done to death is a valid reason to delete a thread.

The genius of PBF wrote:Aww Top Hat are you now going to follow me about like you do with Azania and Gordy...Your boxing knowledge is worse than Waingro.

What can I say, I'm easily suckered in by WUMs.....

Az, my gripe is that Mayweather, magically, didn't become enveloped in this desire to "clean the sport up" until Pacquiao was looking a million dollars as he tore through Hatton and Cotto. He'd fought names as big as Corrales, De la Hoya, Hatton, Judah etc before and never once wanted any of this Olympic-style testing, but he put that barrier up for Pacquiao. And as there's no evidence whatsoever to even suggest that Pacquiao's achievements aren't legitimate, you can only deduce that he suddenly created this barrier because he considered Pacquiao a little too dangerous a threat for his liking, surely?

Mayweather has been so inconsistent on all things Pacquiao it's laughable. At first he wants testing because he's suspicious of Pacquiao's rise through the weights, then all of a sudden he's stating that both he and Pacquiao have spanned similar jumps through the divisions, and that Pacquiao simply gets too much credit as he turned professional three years earlier.

So which is it, Floyd? Are neither of you under suspicion? Or does that mean that both of you are?

Lest we forget, Pacquiao and his team did eventually agree to testing. And Mayweather promptly came up with another demand.

I can't actually believe that any sane individual could argue that Mayweather has always been keen on this fight, and that he's done nothing to prevent it from happening.

azania wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Pac accepted the 14 day cut-off. Team Money then found another excuse....

That stops it being random.

Then why did Floyd offer it?

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:I dont see how you can refer to the PED test issue as tripe. Also I don't see how it put the spanner in the works. All he had to do was take random tests. Its not as if Floyd was asking him to do something he was not prepared to do himself.

It's tripe as it was born out of the ramblings of a drug-addled mandman. Manny had been subject to the same drug testing procedures as any other fighter in the sport and Floyd had no right to ask for anything more.

Pacquiao had no right to ask for the penalty over the pound limit which you seem to avoid answering about.

Can I just say as a casual fan (Don't every detail going on in boxing but watch most fights that appear on tv) I'd still love this to happen. Like everyone says, when Pacquiao was in the form of his life a few years back, I genuinely believe he could have caused all sorts of problems with his work rate and relentless pressure, plus he was pretty heavy handed. I'd still love to see it and although I'd fancy Mayweather to win, if pacman's preparations are good then who knows.

The genius of PBF wrote:Aww Top Hat are you now going to follow me about like you do with Azania and Gordy...Your boxing knowledge is worse than Waingro.

Now Chris has said basically the same thing (much better put admittedly) will you accuse him the same?

Be interesting as he's probably in the top 5 most knowledgable posters on this site, and whilst I wouldn't even claim to be top 20 you're not exactly riding hire yourself, just a delusional fanboy - the ying to D4's yang.

88Chris05 wrote:Az, my gripe is that Mayweather, magically, didn't become enveloped in this desire to "clean the sport up" until Pacquiao was looking a million dollars as he tore through Hatton and Cotto. He'd fought names as big as Corrales, De la Hoya, Hatton, Judah etc before and never once wanted any of this Olympic-style testing, but he put that barrier up for Pacquiao. And as there's no evidence whatsoever to even suggest that Pacquiao's achievements aren't legitimate, you can only deduce that he suddenly created this barrier because he considered Pacquiao a little too dangerous a threat for his liking, surely?

Mayweather has been so inconsistent on all things Pacquiao it's laughable. At first he wants testing because he's suspicious of Pacquiao's rise through the weights, then all of a sudden he's stating that both he and Pacquiao have spanned similar jumps through the divisions, and that Pacquiao simply gets too much credit as he turned professional three years earlier.

So which is it, Floyd? Are neither of you under suspicion? Or does that mean that both of you are?

Lest we forget, Pacquiao and his team did eventually agree to testing. And Mayweather promptly came up with another demand.

I can't actually believe that any sane individual could argue that Mayweather has always been keen on this fight, and that he's done nothing to prevent it from happening.

Read the link that I sent you from Bob Arum 99 excuses...Yet again you turn a blind eye to the barrier Pacquiao put up first with the pound for over limit...Haha when did Pacquiao agree to testing has he taken the test then?

The genius of PBF wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

azania wrote:I dont see how you can refer to the PED test issue as tripe. Also I don't see how it put the spanner in the works. All he had to do was take random tests. Its not as if Floyd was asking him to do something he was not prepared to do himself.

It's tripe as it was born out of the ramblings of a drug-addled mandman. Manny had been subject to the same drug testing procedures as any other fighter in the sport and Floyd had no right to ask for anything more.

Pacquiao had no right to ask for the penalty over the pound limit which you seem to avoid answering about.

It's called t*t for tat kiddo, PBF starts spewing demands out right left and centre Manny is going to start doing the same.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote:Aww Top Hat are you now going to follow me about like you do with Azania and Gordy...Your boxing knowledge is worse than Waingro.

Now Chris has said basically the same thing (much better put admittedly) will you accuse him the same?

Be interesting as he's probably in the top 5 most knowledgable posters on this site, and whilst I wouldn't even claim to be top 20 you're not exactly riding hire yourself, just a delusional fanboy - the ying to D4's yang.

Your the only delusional Pacquiao fanboy on here...Avoid the penalty over the limit that Pacquiao demand made.

The genius of PBF wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote:Aww Top Hat are you now going to follow me about like you do with Azania and Gordy...Your boxing knowledge is worse than Waingro.

Now Chris has said basically the same thing (much better put admittedly) will you accuse him the same?

Be interesting as he's probably in the top 5 most knowledgable posters on this site, and whilst I wouldn't even claim to be top 20 you're not exactly riding hire yourself, just a delusional fanboy - the ying to D4's yang.

Your the only delusional Pacquiao fanboy on here...Avoid the penalty over the limit that Pacquiao demand made.

See above.

Pacquiao asked the penalty over the limit FIRST. ...wanted 50/50 another demand Mayweather agreed too.

Mayweather only asked one thing of Pacquiao...So im wondering where is all these demands Mayweather was asking left right and centre.

Yahoo also has the Mayweather Pacquiao contract which shows the fight was close to being made if Pacquiao agreed to take the test.

So for Chris and anyone to say Mayweather didn't want the fight back in 2010 dont know what they are talking about.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--floyd-mayweather-and-manny-pacquiao-nearly-agreed-to-a-2010-fight.html

That was from Kevin Iole a respected boxing writer who clearly states Pacquiao was the one who declined the offer because of drug testing.

Don't think they're really insults Rowley, just needling.

Anyways, I am defeated by PBF's brilliance and clear lack of any biase therefore I shall retreat to my day job.

At the minute they are not too bad tophat but perhaps it would best be described as a pre-emptive strike as this subject rarely ends well in past experience

People need to use their brains here instead of being bias. Think about it, why would a boxer turn down mega millions for the sake of taking a simle drug test that is mandatory in most other sensible sports? Only a boxer with something to hide would do this in my opinion. Is it any coincidence now that boxers are failing tests now that the testing has been improved? Sorry, but a boxer who risks his neck going into the ring is perfectly entitled to ask for the best drug testing and if an opponent does not agree then its them that looks suspicious. Innocent until proven guilty but that does not mean nothing to hide!