Mclellan v Hearns someone gonna get KTFO

Who wins this at middle.

Would the G man be too smart for the Cobra?

Mccallum?!

I;m confused.

Also, wasn't the cobra Don Curry? I think we're all confused

Hearns by the way. Too much power

Hearns was the cobra before becoming the hitman.

The motor city cobra.

It's true. You learn something new every day. Thanks one two

Hearns on points or McCallum by KO.

Mclellan was overrated......He was managed like John Mugabi.....fed guys that would stand in front of him.......

Mugabi himself....Jackson etc.......Benn showed what could happen If you survived the onslaught..

Hearns was a better fighter..more intelligent more skill..however like all Hearns fights you can't rely on him not to get caught!!!

Hearns 8/10 chance......

Don't call Hearns the cobra....

Only p4p no 1 Curry can have that title......

Ah, I misread that, thought it was McCallum that was the opponent in question.

Hearns all the way then. Punchers chance for GMan.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Mclellan was overrated......He was managed like John Mugabi.....fed guys that would stand in front of him.......

Mugabi himself....Jackson etc.......Benn showed what could happen If you survived the onslaught..

Hearns was a better fighter..more intelligent more skill..however like all Hearns fights you can't rely on him not to get caught!!!

Hearns 8/10 chance......

Don't call Hearns the cobra....

Only p4p no 1 Curry can have that title......

He beat Jackson tho who was a murderous puncher. He was also a natural middle unlike Hearns.

McClellan has more than a punchers chance IMO, He was an absolutely murderous puncher and Hearns had a very Dodgy chin at 160lb. Look at Tommys fights at 160lb- Ko'd by Haglar, wobbled by Roldan, Ko'd by Barkley. Not exactly stellar is it. G-Man by KO.

Mccallum beat Jackson at 154......and Graham played with a half blind man with just a punch..

Hearns jab would set mccllellan up.....Nobody outboxed tommy!!

You couldn't fight your own fight with Tommy...horizontal!!

Hagler did but only after going through hell....and with Tommy's consent.

Hagler went through hell???

Geez I need to see that fight again. I remember Hagler putting it on Tommy something terrible untill he eventually caught up with that lanky 1 punch dimensional bully.

Hearns was one dimensional?????????

He could dance on the back foot and jab.... or he could hunt you down...

He had a great body attack a la Barkley/ Shuler.....

Mate Hearns was anything but one dimensional....

and Hagler went through hell..........

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Hagler went through hell???

Geez I need to see that fight again. I remember Hagler putting it on Tommy something terrible untill he eventually caught up with that lanky 1 punch dimensional bully.

Hagler got caught by 3 punches by tommy in the 1st couple of seconds of the fight that would have put down most fighters. He did hurt tommy but walked through good shots to do so

It was called the fight of the decade.....

not many one sided batterings get that label!!

I've read kronk gym stories of Hearns sparring a young G Man.

Hearns apparently jabbed him silly and was laughing at him, so the violent natured G Man charged at him and walked through a right hand of the caliber that tore Duran apart without blinking. Against Benn he shipped lots of shots to the head and never looked like being knocked out cold. Even when he was stopped he was clear eyed.

McClellan was perfect for war - he had everything for it but stamina - however Hearns didn't need to go to war. Hearns wins a wide decision.

Can't believe that you guys aren't looking at the evidence- Tommy at 160lb was fragile. Alma, Benn Knocked out Barkley in a round, but Barkley knocked out Tommy in four so clearly your last sentence is patently untrue. Truss, I appreciate that Tommy was a fine, multi dimensional fighter, but at 160lb he was wobbled in every fight he had- and none of his opponents hit as hard as McClellan. McClellan was a savage finisher, and there is no way he doesn't land on Tommy at some stage- the one area of his game was was less than top draw was his defence. I love Hearns, but his love of a battle sees him brutally ko'd in this one- there simply isn't any evidence to suggest otherwise. If Barkley can KO you so can McClellan

I would give G-Man more than a puncher's chance but I would still go with the Hitman. Yes Tommy loved a war but I have to agree that Gerald was pretty average after first few rounds. Tommy would not risk engaging him early on unless he had him hurt and Gerald appeared to possess a decent chin. I expect this fight would play out similar to Hearns fight with James Kinchen with Hearns getting seriously hurt but holding on to take a SD or a close UD.

Love Hearns but can't argue with Horizontal on this one.

Well done 1-2 nice post.

alma wrote:Not sure the fighter A beat fighter B and fighter B beat fighter C therefore fighter A beats fighter C is the best yardstick HH. mcclellan was ropey if taken past four rounds and I could see hearns keeping him at bay with the jab for the tricky first few rounds then knocking him out late. And obviously benn and mcclellan fought at 168 (or 165 in mcclellan's case), so not the best comparison.

It was you that said anyone that loses to Benn loses to Hearns, not me. I was merely pointing out that a fighter that lost to Benn did in fact beat Hearns. Twice.

Hearns wins this one nine times out of ten, I think. McClellan was little more than a flat track bully in the professional ranks, albeit a very good one. Mugabi and Jackson were made for him; both excellent punchers, no doubt, but both also a bit past their best, both a touch smaller than McClellan and both also with a style to suit McClellan, too.

Hearns to jab and right cross a bedazzled McClellan all over the shop before stopping him somewhere around the sixth or seventh round. Every now and then, he'd be befallen by one of those famous lapses of his, but there's no way you can make McClellan a logical favourite against Tommy.

"Barkley knocked out Tommy in four"
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It was three but a statement like that belies the facts!!!!

He probably lost the first two rounds 10-8 and was probably on the verge of being stopped...

He threw a hayemaker that probably takes out half the middle division..

and all of a sudden Tommy is fragile at middle!!!

Tell Shuler that!!.......one of the best minute's of Boxing I've ever seen!!!!

Awesome...

KO'd by Haglar, Barkley rocked to his heels by Rolden, Kitchner and Leonard. At any weight above 154 his is clearly fragile Truss. Now I respect everyone opinion in that Hearns could outbox McClellan, but the logic is that one of the hardest punchers in the division's history is in with a damn good shout against one of it's less than teak tough chins

Yes but Hearns has also struggled to take a punch.....

Means sack all...

always struggled should say!!!

Let's face it he's knocked quality chins at 175 in Andries.....

You get lucky against Tommy...you get lucky.......

regardless of weight!!

McCulkin could box. Beat jones junior in the amateurs.

McClellan was the U.S. amateur champ. He could box well, and certainly wasn't lacking in technique . And as far as this theoretical match up goes, Stewart wouldn't have let Tommy near McClellan in 8 ounce gloves if the reports of their sparring wars are to be believed

If reports are correct....Khan used to own Manny in sparring....Page used to deck Tyson....

blah de blah......

Pity they let the ordinary Benn near MCclellan with any gloves....

He was outboxed by Malinga, Collins, Eubank and Watson If memory seves correctly...

Mclellan was fed face first stiffs end of....that's why they wanted Benn...

They underestimated him...

McClellan will catch him at some point. Surely its impossible for him to miss every right hand. At some point one catches him and Hearns' legs turn to Jelly. It's simply a battle of the chins and Gerald comes out on top.

BTW.....Hearns is my all time favourite boxer.

The fight would rival Hearns-Hagler for ferocity.... and the outcome would be similar.

Imagine the shots G-Man caught Benn with in the first fight, then substitute Benn with Hearns. Hearns wouldn't be climbing back into the ring, regardless of how long the count was.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If reports are correct....Khan used to own Manny in sparring....Page used to deck Tyson....

blah de blah......

Pity they let the ordinary Benn near MCclellan with any gloves....

He was outboxed by Malinga, Collins, Eubank and Watson If memory seves correctly...

Mclellan was fed face first stiffs end of....that's why they wanted Benn...

They underestimated him...

He'd moved up as there was nothing left at middleweight. He was the most hyped young gun in the Us. Don't belittle the guy. He came to kill benn. Benn isn't ordinary and I'd suggest you're still on a wind up or totally ambivalent to the sport of boxing.

Look I don't think I need to prove my Boxing knowledge to you....

Think most will agree I'm hardly ambivalent to the sport..

However I do reserve the right to give my opinion......

If a wally takes it the wrong way.......well so be it!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Look I don't think I need to prove my Boxing knowledge to you....

Think most will agree I'm hardly ambivalent to the sport..

However I do reserve the right to give my opinion......

If a wally takes it the wrong way.......well so be it!!

Wally? See what I mean. No problem but Benn was far from ordinary and I
Would have thought a guy stuck in the past should be able to appreciate someone who (till the last 4/5 fights) fought to be a champion and not for the money. Kid.

Mclellan would go looking for Hearns, and when he does that famous fast Hearns jab, right hand combination is gonna hit him flush on the chin and then over to the ref.

Mclellan is a murderous puncher,Hearns was a great boxer and murderous puncher no doubt who wins IMO.

Nico the gman wrote:Mclellan would go looking for Hearns, and when he does that famous fast Hearns jab, right hand combination is gonna hit him flush on the chin and then over to the ref.

Mclellan is a murderous puncher,Hearns was a great boxer and murderous puncher no doubt who wins IMO.

the one with strongest chin in this case . Hearns at 160 lb can't take McClellans punches, and Tommy rarely stuck to boxing instead of fighting.

Sean....

Might be stuck in the past but my future rest assured is a lot brighter than yours!!

horizontalhero wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:Mclellan would go looking for Hearns, and when he does that famous fast Hearns jab, right hand combination is gonna hit him flush on the chin and then over to the ref.

Mclellan is a murderous puncher,Hearns was a great boxer and murderous puncher no doubt who wins IMO.

the one with strongest chin in this case . Hearns at 160 lb can't take McClellans punches, and Tommy rarely stuck to boxing instead of fighting.

Totally disagree Hearns is one of the modern greats and even at 160ib Hearns would land first and knocks Mcllelan out,Mclellan has never fought anyone in the same league as Hearns.

Hearns for me. Too good a boxer and a frightening puncher at any weight. If it lands its good night Gman.

But like Khan, he had bad lapses in concentration and it cost him badly. Never right off a puncher like Gman against a chinny great.

Edge if seat stuff and I'd pay loads to see that.

azania wrote:Hearns for me. Too good a boxer and a frightening puncher at any weight. If it lands its good night Gman.

But like Khan, he had bad lapses in concentration and it cost him badly. Never right off a puncher like Gman against a chinny great.

Edge if seat stuff and I'd pay loads to see that.

Whilst I acknowledge Hearns was a serious puncher, his record at middle weight isn't littered with one punch Ko's in the way it was at WW and LM, and there is nothing to suggest that G-man had anything but a cast iron chin. I know it's not a nice fight to recall or use in examples , but he took monsterous shots off Benn with looking hurt (as in wobbly legged), in fact he was almost contemptuous of Benns power, with tragic results. On the evidence available, and again I invite you revisit Hearns fights at 160-168lb, if anyone is susceptible to a good night ending here, then it's Hearns- twice KO'd at Middle weight by less concussive punchers than McClellan.

Shuler and Roldan licking canvas...Hagler wobbled and Barkley all but out on his feet....

Not a dodgy chin among them....

Hearns banged good at middle.......I'm sure the 175 er andries would agree..

horizontalhero wrote:

azania wrote:Hearns for me. Too good a boxer and a frightening puncher at any weight. If it lands its good night Gman.

But like Khan, he had bad lapses in concentration and it cost him badly. Never right off a puncher like Gman against a chinny great.

Edge if seat stuff and I'd pay loads to see that.

Whilst I acknowledge Hearns was a serious puncher, his record at middle weight isn't littered with one punch Ko's in the way it was at WW and LM, and there is nothing to suggest that G-man had anything but a cast iron chin. I know it's not a nice fight to recall or use in examples , but he took monsterous shots off Benn with looking hurt (as in wobbly legged), in fact he was almost contemptuous of Benns power, with tragic results. On the evidence available, and again I invite you revisit Hearns fights at 160-168lb, if anyone is susceptible to a good night ending here, then it's Hearns- twice KO'd at Middle weight by less concussive punchers than McClellan.

I'm not disputing what you're saying. But Hearns was more than a head hunter. I can see him murdering Gman's body before whistling a right on his chin.

But at anytime, Gman could detonate one and it will be all over.

Think most middleweights would be ko'd by Barkley's wild swing....

and how dare the useless Hagler knock Hearns out..........

not forgetting he took some of Hagler's best punches on the way to losing..

Reiteration Mclellan was fed stiffs a la Mugabi....

Struggled with someone who hit back....and stuck around..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Think most middleweights would be ko'd by Barkley's wild swing....

and how dare the useless Hagler knock Hearns out..........

not forgetting he took some of Hagler's best punches on the way to losing..

Reiteration Mclellan was fed stiffs a la Mugabi....

Struggled with someone who hit back....and stuck around..

Agree with you-Barkleys swing was hard-but not as hard as a shot from McClellan

Again Haglar-great fighter but not as hard a puncher as McClellan, who was equally fercious- see Benn fight round 1

McClellan KO'd previous tough chinned Stiff Mugabi, like teak tough Jackson- no challenges left for him at MW at the time

Was winning the fight with Benn until the tragedy. If he wasn't bleeding in hs skull he would he won IMHO.

I'm hardly denigrating Hearns or his achievements, but at 160 his record demonstrates that he is vulnerable to a big punch, and McClellan s big puncher, with good speed and underrated boxing skills

No denying Hearns was vulnerable. Imo he is a better chin away from being a top 5 ATG. But I believe his attack would be too much for Gman.

Think he'd be the greatest fighter of alltime with a chin Az.....

Robbo...leonard etc would never get past the lance of a jab....

Ah but Truss, Hearns could beat SRL, Hagler, Benitez, Duran, Godzilla and clear out each division he;s in, he still wouldn't be ranked ATG 1 by many who believe that a guy with 50 fights can never be ranked higher than one with 200 fights.

Certainly being a modern fighter has it's drawbacks on here...

The fact Mayweather has ruled for twelve years...beat plenty of p4pers...has titles at 5/6 different weights and still doesn't make some posters top 20...

Lends credence to your argument..

Floyd is a nailed on top 10 no matter how you look at it. Beat the best (without stips) and without looking like losing a round in many cases. Chin proven and skills other worldly.If he beat 75 road sweepers and pub hardmen, perhaps he would be appreciated more.