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On 606v2 there is a lot of debate on the current homogenised conditions of the tennis tour. Many people feel that we need some more variety, but how does this affect the popularity of tennis? It is not clear cut. I am sure the majority of people will be inspired to tennis by a certian 'star'. Nadal, Federer etc. It's these big names that bring people into tennis, and having homogensied conditions means there will be more chance of having 'big names' as it is easier for one player to dominate the tour. (Whether it is homogensised fast or homogenised slow- this still stays the same). I have investigated this, to see whether having varied or homogenised conditions benefits popularity. By homogenised it can be 'all fast' or 'all slow'; I am talking more general rather than this current era (although the conditions atm are an example of increased homogenisation):
Similar Court Surfaces (Homogenised):
As I said earlier tennis needs stars at the top of the game to boost popularity. The top 30 can be all be very consistent and of good quality but if there isn't at-least 2 'superstars' at the top then the popularity of tennis will dramatically dip.
What homogenised surfaces does, or would do generally, is create these 'stars.' Why?
Because if Player A is playing better tennis than Player B in 2015, and the courts are similar, then Player A will consistently beat Player B all year. It could potentially make Player A a star.
However one big big problem with saying this is everyone assumes that the current situation will always be repeated if there is homogenised surfaces (as it is the case now). This simply isn't the case, as it relies on a specific player to be very consistent, consistently brilliant. The top 3(+1) have been consistently brilliant for a long long time, but just look at the WTA, for ages there has been no solid 'top 4.' Hence we should not just assume the current situation in the ATP will always repeat if we have homogenised surfaces.
However what it could do, is ensure one (or a group) player has a better chance of dominating the tour if he plays well in the (homogenised) conditions. A 'star' could become a 'superstar.'
At the moment in the men's game there is a problem with 'strength in depth.' People say that below the Top 4 there aren't challengers. However I believe that this is due to 3 reasons:
-The top 4 have been very consistent so far- they don't throw in terrible matches regularly (but as Rosol showed anything is possible!)
-There is a lack of talent beneath the top 4. This I think would hold true whatever the conditions. OK in faster conditions Isner, Raonic would be bigger threats but this doesn't cover up the fact their game.groundstrokes is not as good. Someone used the example of Australian cricket team earlier- and I think this holds true there will be generations with varying talent- (mental and shotmaking)- some generations will be stronger.
-As most of the surfaces are slower as Lydian has explained this will mean the average age of the top players will increase. Players can work on their fitness, which becomes more important. Hence at the moment the young players can't break through against the big guns.
So people can say: oh look, after Fedal go there will be huge popularity decline, but the lack of depth beneath the top 4 in my eyes is not due to homogenised conditions, more to do with a lack of talent. Players will emerge sooner than you think
So there are many benefits to tennis popularity with homogenised conditions.
However there are also many benefits with more varied surfaces, and some will argue it outweighs the benefits of homogenised surfaces.
Varied surfaces:
The first, and most powerful, advantage of varied surfaces over homogenised conditions is that it attracts more fans of different styles. Of course many fans will like rallies, while others will like a more fast-paced game where the serve is vital (rather than ground-strokes). Personally I find ace-fests boring, but that's just my opinion. If we have varied conditions it could accommodate different sorts of tennis fans throughout the year- and you will find that once fans are interested in one style of tennis (brought by a specific court condition), they will watch tennis throughout the year even if that specific court condition is not used throughout the year- such is the engrossing nature of sport. However with homogenised conditions we could see one set of fans completely 'turned off' tennis.
Another possible advantage is that is slightly increases the element of unpredictability throughout the year. I say 'throughout the year' as on a specific surface a player who is known to be better suited to that surface should prevail- but it results in different winners. Mental edge will also be more interesting with different conditions- for example if Player A beats Player B 2 times on clay- but then they play on grass which Player B likes more- so the mental edge is slightly shifted. This way interesting subplots can be made within rivalries rather than just 'Player A is playing better tennis and is on better form so should win.' It also means there will be a greater challenge to the big guns to the top- on each surface they will be threatened by a player who is a 'specialist' on that surface. Hence they will find it more difficult to dominate the tour. This will once again increase unpredictability- but will mean less 'superstars' and hence will have benefits and also disadvantages in terms of popularity.
So overall I am not sure whether having varied or homogenised conditions are beneficial to the popularity to the game- it is possible to argue either way. At the moment the surfaces are pretty similar, but not totally homogenised (look at Federer's record at RG compared to his Wimbledon- also Nadal has done much better at RG). We also have an accented case at the moment with such a consistent top 4, however this is so exaggerated (it really has been bar Del Potro a total domination) that I can say it is slightly misleading. The lack of depth below the top 4 is also to do more with talent than homogenised conditions too.
Amritia
(My article, also on Sport Pulse- http://www.sportpulse.net/content/how-does-homogenised-conditions-affect-tennis-popularity-4652)
On 606v2 there is a lot of debate on the current homogenised conditions of the tennis tour. Many people feel that we need some more variety, but how does this affect the popularity of tennis? It is not clear cut. I am sure the majority of people will be inspired to tennis by a certian 'star'. Nadal, Federer etc. It's these big names that bring people into tennis, and having homogensied conditions means there will be more chance of having 'big names' as it is easier for one player to dominate the tour. (Whether it is homogensised fast or homogenised slow- this still stays the same). I have investigated this, to see whether having varied or homogenised conditions benefits popularity. By homogenised it can be 'all fast' or 'all slow'; I am talking more general rather than this current era (although the conditions atm are an example of increased homogenisation):
Similar Court Surfaces (Homogenised):
As I said earlier tennis needs stars at the top of the game to boost popularity. The top 30 can be all be very consistent and of good quality but if there isn't at-least 2 'superstars' at the top then the popularity of tennis will dramatically dip.
What homogenised surfaces does, or would do generally, is create these 'stars.' Why?
Because if Player A is playing better tennis than Player B in 2015, and the courts are similar, then Player A will consistently beat Player B all year. It could potentially make Player A a star.
However one big big problem with saying this is everyone assumes that the current situation will always be repeated if there is homogenised surfaces (as it is the case now). This simply isn't the case, as it relies on a specific player to be very consistent, consistently brilliant. The top 3(+1) have been consistently brilliant for a long long time, but just look at the WTA, for ages there has been no solid 'top 4.' Hence we should not just assume the current situation in the ATP will always repeat if we have homogenised surfaces.
However what it could do, is ensure one (or a group) player has a better chance of dominating the tour if he plays well in the (homogenised) conditions. A 'star' could become a 'superstar.'
At the moment in the men's game there is a problem with 'strength in depth.' People say that below the Top 4 there aren't challengers. However I believe that this is due to 3 reasons:
-The top 4 have been very consistent so far- they don't throw in terrible matches regularly (but as Rosol showed anything is possible!)
-There is a lack of talent beneath the top 4. This I think would hold true whatever the conditions. OK in faster conditions Isner, Raonic would be bigger threats but this doesn't cover up the fact their game.groundstrokes is not as good. Someone used the example of Australian cricket team earlier- and I think this holds true there will be generations with varying talent- (mental and shotmaking)- some generations will be stronger.
-As most of the surfaces are slower as Lydian has explained this will mean the average age of the top players will increase. Players can work on their fitness, which becomes more important. Hence at the moment the young players can't break through against the big guns.
So people can say: oh look, after Fedal go there will be huge popularity decline, but the lack of depth beneath the top 4 in my eyes is not due to homogenised conditions, more to do with a lack of talent. Players will emerge sooner than you think
So there are many benefits to tennis popularity with homogenised conditions.
However there are also many benefits with more varied surfaces, and some will argue it outweighs the benefits of homogenised surfaces.
Varied surfaces:
The first, and most powerful, advantage of varied surfaces over homogenised conditions is that it attracts more fans of different styles. Of course many fans will like rallies, while others will like a more fast-paced game where the serve is vital (rather than ground-strokes). Personally I find ace-fests boring, but that's just my opinion. If we have varied conditions it could accommodate different sorts of tennis fans throughout the year- and you will find that once fans are interested in one style of tennis (brought by a specific court condition), they will watch tennis throughout the year even if that specific court condition is not used throughout the year- such is the engrossing nature of sport. However with homogenised conditions we could see one set of fans completely 'turned off' tennis.
Another possible advantage is that is slightly increases the element of unpredictability throughout the year. I say 'throughout the year' as on a specific surface a player who is known to be better suited to that surface should prevail- but it results in different winners. Mental edge will also be more interesting with different conditions- for example if Player A beats Player B 2 times on clay- but then they play on grass which Player B likes more- so the mental edge is slightly shifted. This way interesting subplots can be made within rivalries rather than just 'Player A is playing better tennis and is on better form so should win.' It also means there will be a greater challenge to the big guns to the top- on each surface they will be threatened by a player who is a 'specialist' on that surface. Hence they will find it more difficult to dominate the tour. This will once again increase unpredictability- but will mean less 'superstars' and hence will have benefits and also disadvantages in terms of popularity.
So overall I am not sure whether having varied or homogenised conditions are beneficial to the popularity to the game- it is possible to argue either way. At the moment the surfaces are pretty similar, but not totally homogenised (look at Federer's record at RG compared to his Wimbledon- also Nadal has done much better at RG). We also have an accented case at the moment with such a consistent top 4, however this is so exaggerated (it really has been bar Del Potro a total domination) that I can say it is slightly misleading. The lack of depth below the top 4 is also to do more with talent than homogenised conditions too.
Amritia
(My article, also on Sport Pulse- http://www.sportpulse.net/content/how-does-homogenised-conditions-affect-tennis-popularity-4652)
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Tennisanorak wrote:Socal- the "how" can be debated. I think the changes have to be in the courts, and the size of the tennis balls used. Any change in racket technology would speed up tennis across surfaces which is definitely not what we need.
I can agree with that TA, that has been my position from the start, I think what I have heard in regards to some changes being proposed to technology are generally a bad idea. But I wouldn't be opposed to some traditionally faster tourneys incremental testing new balls and court compositions with INCREMENTAL CHANGE, that would be monitored to see how it affected the play and the ratings numbers. If fans like the faster court tournies being faster than by all means more can be done down that road. I don't think they will like it as much as what we are watching now, but hey maybe a lot of people will tune in for a Paris tournament or a wimby with a lot of short points, I think the opposite will happen. But as long as the changes are just to balls and surfaces and are incremental I don't see any problem in testing new approaches to market the game.
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Interesting Socalsocal1976 wrote:Tennisanorak wrote:Socal- the "how" can be debated. I think the changes have to be in the courts, and the size of the tennis balls used. Any change in racket technology would speed up tennis across surfaces which is definitely not what we need.
I can agree with that TA, that has been my position from the start, I think what I have heard in regards to some changes being proposed to technology are generally a bad idea. But I wouldn't be opposed to some traditionally faster tourneys incremental testing new balls and court compositions with INCREMENTAL CHANGE, that would be monitored to see how it affected the play and the ratings numbers. If fans like the faster court tournies being faster than by all means more can be done down that road. I don't think they will like it as much as what we are watching now, but hey maybe a lot of people will tune in for a Paris tournament or a wimby with a lot of short points, I think the opposite will happen. But as long as the changes are just to balls and surfaces and are incremental I don't see any problem in testing new approaches to market the game.
I know you are a fan of the current balance of the ATP tour, but if you had a choice of variety or homogenisation throughout the year: what would be your preferred choice?
btw a question for you here Socal. check the last comment at the bottom of the page: https://www.606v2.com/t34647-how-has-surface-change-homogenisation-impacted-the-top-players
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I like what we have now frankly and I wouldn't call it homogenization. The surface specialists are happy footnote in history now. I think it is cheap to spend your entire year selling out your technique and training for 2 months of the year and so you can beat better all court players that you really have no business beating. They are one trick ponies and are not a sign of the health of the tour despite what people say. We have variety in surfaces hence why Nadal plays better on clay than hardcourt and why roger plays better on grass than on clay. The variety we have in surfaces is plenty sufficient for me.
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socal1976 wrote:I like what we have now frankly and I wouldn't call it homogenization. The surface specialists are happy footnote in history now. I think it is cheap to spend your entire year selling out your technique and training for 2 months of the year and so you can beat better all court players that you really have no business beating. They are one trick ponies and are not a sign of the health of the tour despite what people say. We have variety in surfaces hence why Nadal plays better on clay than hardcourt and why roger plays better on grass than on clay. The variety we have in surfaces is plenty sufficient for me.
Let' s be honest, you're happy because you know Djokovic wouldn't have a prayer of winning a serve/volley based event. Endless retrieval is the basis of his game and frankly it's incredible that with the game so perfectly suited to him that he couldn't win more than one Slam, and that by the skin of his teeth.
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He's won 5 slamsbogbrush wrote:socal1976 wrote:I like what we have now frankly and I wouldn't call it homogenization. The surface specialists are happy footnote in history now. I think it is cheap to spend your entire year selling out your technique and training for 2 months of the year and so you can beat better all court players that you really have no business beating. They are one trick ponies and are not a sign of the health of the tour despite what people say. We have variety in surfaces hence why Nadal plays better on clay than hardcourt and why roger plays better on grass than on clay. The variety we have in surfaces is plenty sufficient for me.
Let' s be honest, you're happy because you know Djokovic wouldn't have a prayer of winning a serve/volley based event. Endless retrieval is the basis of his game and frankly it's incredible that with the game so perfectly suited to him that he couldn't win more than one Slam, and that by the skin of his teeth.
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Blah, blah, blah more of your unsupported allegations that amount to nothing. Keeping telling us how your crystal ball into how things could or should be is better than everyone elses. I personally have few ideas of things you could be doing with that crystal ball that would be of better use but I will keep that to myself. You have no idea of how things would pan out in your hypothetical fast court world, Wilander won 7 titles with quote endless retrieval skills. And you will excuse me if I just don't have the same highly inflated opinion of your skills to prognosticate into the future and into hypothetical worlds of your own creation still based on S and V.
The fact is despite all your ramblings to discredit Djokovic dating back many years he has established himself as an alltime great. This idea of yours that weopenless grinder, quote got lucky to win the 2008 AO because fed had mono, yada, yada, Djokovic has established himself. Chalk this up to another one of your self proclaimed genius predictions that came up fail.
Just like the three points I highlighted that you fail to adequately address. Like for example we are simply based on your assertions expected to assume that slower conditions create more injuries and burnout, what evidence have you ever brought up for that point other than well your self proclaimed conclusion.
The fact is despite all your ramblings to discredit Djokovic dating back many years he has established himself as an alltime great. This idea of yours that weopenless grinder, quote got lucky to win the 2008 AO because fed had mono, yada, yada, Djokovic has established himself. Chalk this up to another one of your self proclaimed genius predictions that came up fail.
Just like the three points I highlighted that you fail to adequately address. Like for example we are simply based on your assertions expected to assume that slower conditions create more injuries and burnout, what evidence have you ever brought up for that point other than well your self proclaimed conclusion.
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Socal... surely you agree that Hard Court is worse for the body compared to natural surfaces such as clay and grass?
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I've not commented on injuries, so you're making less sense than usual.
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I have though.bogbrush wrote:I've not commented on injuries, so you're making less sense than usual.
I've stated that hard courts are worse for the body, referencing both Wikipedia and common knowledge.
Secondly it is obvious that if we have a unnatural surface (cement- HC) and it is slower- this will mean players have to run around more during a match- (longer points= more running).
The more you run on a unnatural surface which is harmful for the body... the more chance you have of wear and tear along with injuries.
Isn't that obvious? Do I need stats?
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Funny I could have sworn that you made those arguments about burnout and injuries over the years but if you say you didn't fine unlike you I will accept your clarification and move on.
Oh great sage of prognostication what about your posts in 09 and 10 on old 606 where you said Djoko was a one slam wonder, got lucky to win AO 2008 because fed had mono, that he is weaponless etc, etc has not big shot or whatever. I precisely remember argueing with you about that when Novak was down in 09. Seems like your famous future predicting skills failed you there, just like they failed your prediction that murray and Novak would not be marketable.
Oh great sage of prognostication what about your posts in 09 and 10 on old 606 where you said Djoko was a one slam wonder, got lucky to win AO 2008 because fed had mono, that he is weaponless etc, etc has not big shot or whatever. I precisely remember argueing with you about that when Novak was down in 09. Seems like your famous future predicting skills failed you there, just like they failed your prediction that murray and Novak would not be marketable.
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In one year? Wow!It Must Be Love wrote:He's won 5 slamsbogbrush wrote:socal1976 wrote:I like what we have now frankly and I wouldn't call it homogenization. The surface specialists are happy footnote in history now. I think it is cheap to spend your entire year selling out your technique and training for 2 months of the year and so you can beat better all court players that you really have no business beating. They are one trick ponies and are not a sign of the health of the tour despite what people say. We have variety in surfaces hence why Nadal plays better on clay than hardcourt and why roger plays better on grass than on clay. The variety we have in surfaces is plenty sufficient for me.
Let' s be honest, you're happy because you know Djokovic wouldn't have a prayer of winning a serve/volley based event. Endless retrieval is the basis of his game and frankly it's incredible that with the game so perfectly suited to him that he couldn't win more than one Slam, and that by the skin of his teeth.
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I wasn't directing that post towards you.It Must Be Love wrote:I have though.bogbrush wrote:I've not commented on injuries, so you're making less sense than usual.
I've stated that hard courts are worse for the body, referencing both Wikipedia and common knowledge.
Secondly it is obvious that if we have a unnatural surface (cement- HC) and it is slower- this will mean players have to run around more during a match- (longer points= more running).
The more you run on a unnatural surface which is harmful for the body... the more chance you have of wear and tear along with injuries.
Isn't that obvious? Do I need stats?
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No, I'm talking about his careerbogbrush wrote:In one year? Wow!It Must Be Love wrote:He's won 5 slamsbogbrush wrote:socal1976 wrote:I like what we have now frankly and I wouldn't call it homogenization. The surface specialists are happy footnote in history now. I think it is cheap to spend your entire year selling out your technique and training for 2 months of the year and so you can beat better all court players that you really have no business beating. They are one trick ponies and are not a sign of the health of the tour despite what people say. We have variety in surfaces hence why Nadal plays better on clay than hardcourt and why roger plays better on grass than on clay. The variety we have in surfaces is plenty sufficient for me.
Let' s be honest, you're happy because you know Djokovic wouldn't have a prayer of winning a serve/volley based event. Endless retrieval is the basis of his game and frankly it's incredible that with the game so perfectly suited to him that he couldn't win more than one Slam, and that by the skin of his teeth.
When in your comment did you mention 1 year?
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Yes, I realised that.bogbrush wrote:I wasn't directing that post towards you.It Must Be Love wrote:I have though.bogbrush wrote:I've not commented on injuries, so you're making less sense than usual.
I've stated that hard courts are worse for the body, referencing both Wikipedia and common knowledge.
Secondly it is obvious that if we have a unnatural surface (cement- HC) and it is slower- this will mean players have to run around more during a match- (longer points= more running).
The more you run on a unnatural surface which is harmful for the body... the more chance you have of wear and tear along with injuries.
Isn't that obvious? Do I need stats?
I was talking to Socal (apologies, I could have made that clearer.)
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Edit: Socal, this debate isn't to do with popularity of tennis, so it's off topic here.
We continue this debate on this article: https://www.606v2.com/t34647-how-has-surface-change-homogenisation-impacted-the-top-players I will repost this there
Edit: Socal, this debate isn't to do with popularity of tennis, so it's off topic here.
We continue this debate on this article: https://www.606v2.com/t34647-how-has-surface-change-homogenisation-impacted-the-top-players I will repost this there
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Hardcourt does tend wear on the body more IMBL but the fact remains that the injuries we are talking about usually are not career threatening. Sore feet, a little more pounding on the feet. I have played on hardcourt all my life in some ways for some injuries it is actually better than clay or grass. For example you get more injuries resulting for poor footing on the natural surfaces. Yes hardcourt does pound your body more but evidence that it is shortening careers or causing serious injuries beyond what we have seen in the past has not in my mind been established.
By the way IMBL do you play and what style do you play? If you do play I challenge you to run in and volley 90 percent of the points in your next match and see if it doesn't make your body howl. S and V is brutally physical. Not cardiovascularly as much but there is no comparison to the jarring movements you have to make when standing up close at net compared to when you are standing back at the baseline and have more time to react. That is one of the reasons that in the 80s you would often have an S and V guy make a big splash and then burnout or be forced from the game with bad hips, backs or knees. This is another poorly constructed myth from online that S and V and quote short point tennis is not physically taxing. Watch becker dive for a volley and tell me that isn't physically taxing and opening your body to more injury than hitting a forehand from 30 feet behind the net.
By the way IMBL do you play and what style do you play? If you do play I challenge you to run in and volley 90 percent of the points in your next match and see if it doesn't make your body howl. S and V is brutally physical. Not cardiovascularly as much but there is no comparison to the jarring movements you have to make when standing up close at net compared to when you are standing back at the baseline and have more time to react. That is one of the reasons that in the 80s you would often have an S and V guy make a big splash and then burnout or be forced from the game with bad hips, backs or knees. This is another poorly constructed myth from online that S and V and quote short point tennis is not physically taxing. Watch becker dive for a volley and tell me that isn't physically taxing and opening your body to more injury than hitting a forehand from 30 feet behind the net.
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Socal... I have replied on the other thread.
Back to the main topic.. I believe that having variety is essential to the popularity of the game, as people get bored of watching the same style of tennis all year.
It might be the same players, but even having to watch them adjust is interesting.
Back to the main topic.. I believe that having variety is essential to the popularity of the game, as people get bored of watching the same style of tennis all year.
It might be the same players, but even having to watch them adjust is interesting.
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socal1976 wrote:I can agree with that TA, that has been my position from the start, I think what I have heard in regards to some changes being proposed to technology are generally a bad idea. But I wouldn't be opposed to some traditionally faster tourneys incremental testing new balls and court compositions with INCREMENTAL CHANGE, that would be monitored to see how it affected the play and the ratings numbers. If fans like the faster court tournies being faster than by all means more can be done down that road.
That's more or less my thinking also, with the addition of more rigourous enforcement of the 20/25 second rule - that would also speed things up, not just between points, but it would force players to end rallies more quickly, without giving an advantage to the server.
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Alert the media Julius agrees with something I have said.
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If you alert the media, they'll turn it into an epic agreement, one of the greatest agreements of all time. I can hear Mark Petchey (UK commentator) now - "You will never see a better agreement than that in your life!"
Anyway, we've agreed before. When we disagree (often!), it's a genuine difference of opinion, so there's no reason not to post agreement where we do agree.
Anyway, we've agreed before. When we disagree (often!), it's a genuine difference of opinion, so there's no reason not to post agreement where we do agree.
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socal's right though, serve and volleying is knackering. I used to do it a fair bit when the other guy was too strong from the baseline (I had a decent serve and very good hands for my level, which also resulted in me frequently using the dropshot-lob combo), and it was definitely more tiring than rallying from the baseline (though we rarely engaged in 54 shot rallies either )
Good fun though, the out wide serve and volley into the open court was a potent combination of mine
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I played a guy today who had a good serve and volley game and pretty big groundies. But I had the edge in return, movement, consistency, and groundies. He kept trying to run in because he could not break me down from the back or out hit me. It caused me some problems at first but I am really good at putting the return right back at the server and down at his ankles that is the best defense to that play of your's MFC. The guy did the same thing you are talking about successfully for a couple of games. Then I stepped in cutoff his wide serve and bulleted any serve he really didn't get a hold of right back at his feet. Went 6-2 and 6-4 for the kid. That is an effective play the best defense is step in take a step over to the backhand corner that is where they usually like to that play and hit everything right back short, dipping down at server.
PS love the part about the old man's 1, 2 punch. Drop shot followed by lob the arthritic version of big serve and inside out forehand.
PS love the part about the old man's 1, 2 punch. Drop shot followed by lob the arthritic version of big serve and inside out forehand.
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Varied tennis surfaces will always give people something to talk about. I think that the varied surfaces definitely provide for more popularity because they provide more natural debate between players and player abilities. I also think that the tennis Court Colors make the whole game a lot more exciting.
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