Is McGuigan a credible pundit? (did Steve Bunce burn ants as a child)

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Just read the BBC article about McGuigan's views on the return of Hatton. It seems very contradictory given his previous statements regarding the Hitman's return. Given McGuigan's links to Sky, and that he is now in Frampton's corner, do we now need to take everything he says with a pinch of salt? I think in the last few years he has made some strange predictions and other contradictory statements regarding British boxers and just wonder whether he is now a corporate man rather than a boxing fan?

I actually agree with his comments but it seems 90% of people think Hatton's return is doomed.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Az going against the grain... must say I am shocked.

If you have nothing interesting to say which contributes to the thread as opposed to a personal attack, I suggest you shut up.

OK, how about this. Bunce is a twerp and the only reason you like him is because it goes against all logic and what the majority of posters agree with.

Are you whipped at home and come on here for your arguments?

and lost a ball!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Maybe we should look at Bunce's family tree..

Bet he doesn't have an Uncle Tom!!

Hahaha

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:and lost a ball!!

Yes!!!

So I think that wraps thinks up here. Hitlers crimes against humanity is on an even keel with Bunce's punditry

I'm sure I read somewhere that Bunce's nickname in High was...

Gordy!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Maybe we should look at Bunce's family tree..

Bet he doesn't have an Uncle Tom!!

This is a British forum TRUSS.

No one is concerned about Uncle Tom's, the Cold War, or mentioning the word freedom every six seconds as though they just discovered the phrase.

Seanusarrilius wrote:I actually find Bunce offensive, at times. He bigs up mismatches and mediocre bouts so much that it actually implies that we are not intelligent enough to see that he is talking tripe (Az excluded, we are). He treats us like armchair fans, when he should be treating those who subscribe to a BOXING channel as people who know better. it's insulting, except for Az, his Excecutive Producer

Cant count on the sensitivities of viewers then.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:But az, do you not think he would look like hitler if he lost 9 stone and grew a little moustache.

Ha.

And King looks like K2 without a tan.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Az going against the grain... must say I am shocked.

If you have nothing interesting to say which contributes to the thread as opposed to a personal attack, I suggest you shut up.

OK, how about this. Bunce is a twerp and the only reason you like him is because it goes against all logic and what the majority of posters agree with.

Are you whipped at home and come on here for your arguments?

Actually I gave my opinion early and before the mob decided to pitch in. So wrong again. Plus I have always said I find Buncey amusing. If people take him seriously then that is their problem. I take him with a pinch of salt and never seriously.

But I give you props. You don't like him because the majority don't. I think Stalin referred to those type of people as useful idiots.

I'm sure he will be bleating the direct opposite view on Ringside tonight...

Lenin, in fact, Az - used for people who could be duped into complimenting things or regimes that might seem fairly odious. It is not for me to say whether "Bunce's Boxing Hour", or whatever it's called, might deserve the epithet of "odious regime".

I doubt that matters too much to Buncey, Alma. Wouldn't surprise me if he blurts out that the Eubank who tore through Dan Sherry and Henry Wharton would have boxed rings around a peak Roy Jones Jr next time 'Simply the Best' appears on his studio sofa.

alma wrote:Bunce obviously knows his stuff but that awful programme he presents on Boxnation is just so terrible. It's so low budget it makes Philip Scofield's broom cupboard days look like Lord of the Rings.

hahahahahaha.

The fake crowd cheer he plays when a guest comes on it outrageous

My 2 year old lad has toys that sound more believable

captain carrantuohil wrote:Lenin, in fact, Az - used for people who could be duped into complimenting things or regimes that might seem fairly odious. It is not for me to say whether "Bunce's Boxing Hour", or whatever it's called, might deserve the epithet of "odious regime".

Thanks for the correction. I knew is was either or.

The comparison is legit in reference to the poster it was aimed at. Follow the mob and do and think as you are told just because the crowd say so. Useful idiot.

alma wrote:Bunce obviously knows his stuff but that awful programme he presents on Boxnation is just so terrible. It's so low budget it makes Philip Scofield's broom cupboard days look like Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, and he controls the budget and is the set designer.

88Chris05 wrote:I doubt that matters too much to Buncey, Alma. Wouldn't surprise me if he blurts out that the Eubank who tore through Dan Sherry and Henry Wharton would have boxed rings around a peak Roy Jones Jr next time 'Simply the Best' appears on his studio sofa.

Come on.

Have you known a retired and popular boxer being interviewed and then told they would get their rear end handed to them if they fought the best out there?

If so, I'd like to know who that was and who the interviwewer was.

azania wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Lenin, in fact, Az - used for people who could be duped into complimenting things or regimes that might seem fairly odious. It is not for me to say whether "Bunce's Boxing Hour", or whatever it's called, might deserve the epithet of "odious regime".

Thanks for the correction. I knew is was either or.

The comparison is legit in reference to the poster it was aimed at. Follow the mob and do and think as you are told just because the crowd say so. Useful idiot.

So, what you are basically saying is that a man who spews utter nonsense is a good character, and because most people see him for the blithering idiot he is we are, in fact, idiots. You on the other hand, despite the nonsense he comes out with, think he is a good knowledgable guy, and because you are going against the majority it is in fact you who is the genius here?

Wow, thanks for clearing that up Az.

Being tactful is not the same as being blatantly obsequious, Az. It's a line over which Bunce constantly trespasses.

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:I doubt that matters too much to Buncey, Alma. Wouldn't surprise me if he blurts out that the Eubank who tore through Dan Sherry and Henry Wharton would have boxed rings around a peak Roy Jones Jr next time 'Simply the Best' appears on his studio sofa.

Come on.

Have you known a retired and popular boxer being interviewed and then told they would get their rear end handed to them if they fought the best out there?

If so, I'd like to know who that was and who the interviwewer was.

Hang on a minute... you are agreeing with Buncey going along with the crowd? Doesnt that make him an idiot. What does that make a wo/man who like an idiot? An even bigger idiot?

Whilst having the captain back on here is obviously a largely positive move the investment in a new dictionary is one I could do without.

azania wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:I actually find Bunce offensive, at times. He bigs up mismatches and mediocre bouts so much that it actually implies that we are not intelligent enough to see that he is talking tripe (Az excluded, we are). He treats us like armchair fans, when he should be treating those who subscribe to a BOXING channel as people who know better. it's insulting, except for Az, his Excecutive Producer

Cant count on the sensitivities of viewers then.

Nothing you say makes sense. I think you just throw words together in an effort to sound intelligent, sometimes.

Wait. Are you one of those computer poker programmes?

Seanusarrilius wrote:Nothing you say makes sense.

Something that does make perfect sense. Hopefully someone will start a new "is Bolt juicing?" thread in the Athletics section soon and he'll be back to annoying them.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Lenin, in fact, Az - used for people who could be duped into complimenting things or regimes that might seem fairly odious. It is not for me to say whether "Bunce's Boxing Hour", or whatever it's called, might deserve the epithet of "odious regime".

Thanks for the correction. I knew is was either or.

The comparison is legit in reference to the poster it was aimed at. Follow the mob and do and think as you are told just because the crowd say so. Useful idiot.

So, what you are basically saying is that a man who spews utter nonsense is a good character, and because most people see him for the blithering idiot he is we are, in fact, idiots. You on the other hand, despite the nonsense he comes out with, think he is a good knowledgable guy, and because you are going against the majority it is in fact you who is the genius here?

Wow, thanks for clearing that up Az.

No. You are saying that I am saying that when I am saying nothing of the sort.

Your opinion that he sprew utter nonsense. Yiur opinion that people see him as a blithering idiot.

I have not once used the word knowledgable in reference to Buncey. Again your (poor) take on what I have written.

Glad its all clear for you.

Got to say read very little from this captain guy but already a big fan.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:I doubt that matters too much to Buncey, Alma. Wouldn't surprise me if he blurts out that the Eubank who tore through Dan Sherry and Henry Wharton would have boxed rings around a peak Roy Jones Jr next time 'Simply the Best' appears on his studio sofa.

Come on.

Have you known a retired and popular boxer being interviewed and then told they would get their rear end handed to them if they fought the best out there?

If so, I'd like to know who that was and who the interviwewer was.

Hang on a minute... you are agreeing with Buncey going along with the crowd? Doesnt that make him an idiot. What does that make a wo/man who like an idiot? An even bigger idiot?

Have things cleared up for you know. I hope so but judging by this post it appears that your level of understanding is still somewhat muddled.

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:I doubt that matters too much to Buncey, Alma. Wouldn't surprise me if he blurts out that the Eubank who tore through Dan Sherry and Henry Wharton would have boxed rings around a peak Roy Jones Jr next time 'Simply the Best' appears on his studio sofa.

Come on.

Have you known a retired and popular boxer being interviewed and then told they would get their rear end handed to them if they fought the best out there?

If so, I'd like to know who that was and who the interviwewer was.

Hang on a minute... you are agreeing with Buncey going along with the crowd? Doesnt that make him an idiot. What does that make a wo/man who like an idiot? An even bigger idiot?

Have things cleared up for you know. I hope so but judging by this post it appears that your level of understanding is still somewhat muddled.

Bunce doesn't need to be that honest. But he feeds us utter rubbish about fights. He has no integrity left. Just says whatever his paymsters want. Guess some people are happy to be treated like a fool

You havn't cleared anything up. You've just wrote a whole load of gash, again.

Bunce claimed Haye vs the guy who had been beaten 3 times in a row (now 4) was an evenly matched Mega Fight........and he was serious

Seanusarrilius wrote:

azania wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:I actually find Bunce offensive, at times. He bigs up mismatches and mediocre bouts so much that it actually implies that we are not intelligent enough to see that he is talking tripe (Az excluded, we are). He treats us like armchair fans, when he should be treating those who subscribe to a BOXING channel as people who know better. it's insulting, except for Az, his Excecutive Producer

Cant count on the sensitivities of viewers then.

Nothing you say makes sense. I think you just throw words together in an effort to sound intelligent, sometimes.

Wait. Are you one of those computer poker programmes?

Steady on boy.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:You havn't cleared anything up. You've just wrote a whole load of gash, again.

I think Bunce has a new rival for the most irritating mockney presenter in the guy from the wheelchair Olympics.

alma wrote:I'm just disappointed that Bunce has turned into such a Boxnation butt-muncher. All integrity well and truly evaporated.

It was a decent fight though.

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Tremendous

Seanusarrilius wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:I doubt that matters too much to Buncey, Alma. Wouldn't surprise me if he blurts out that the Eubank who tore through Dan Sherry and Henry Wharton would have boxed rings around a peak Roy Jones Jr next time 'Simply the Best' appears on his studio sofa.

Come on.

Have you known a retired and popular boxer being interviewed and then told they would get their rear end handed to them if they fought the best out there?

If so, I'd like to know who that was and who the interviwewer was.

Hang on a minute... you are agreeing with Buncey going along with the crowd? Doesnt that make him an idiot. What does that make a wo/man who like an idiot? An even bigger idiot?

Have things cleared up for you know. I hope so but judging by this post it appears that your level of understanding is still somewhat muddled.

Bunce doesn't need to be that honest. But he feeds us utter rubbish about fights. He has no integrity left. Just says whatever his paymsters want. Guess some people are happy to be treated like a fool

Keep a lid on your emotions sean. No need to go OTT to make your point. I can see you don't like him. I find him amusing and good banter. Kind of like Boris Johnson.

two_tone wrote:Got to say read very little from this captain guy but already a big fan.

Have always been a fan. Great poster and very knowledgable.

He certainly shares Boris's ambition and chutzpah. All that's lacking is an intellect that even vaguely matches that of the shaggy-haired one.

I like the idea of Bunce spouting Latin tags, though. He could start with "Percunctatorem fugito nam garrulus idem est..."

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Bunce claimed Haye vs the guy who had been beaten 3 times in a row (now 4) was an evenly matched Mega Fight........and he was serious

Well it was a big fight (50k people turned out to watch it) and many people here picked Del to win.

captain carrantuohil wrote:He certainly shares Boris's ambition and chutzpah. All that's lacking is an intellect that even vaguely matches that of the shaggy-haired one.

I like the idea of Bunce spouting Latin tags, though. He could start with "Percunctatorem fugito nam garrulus idem est..."

I wouldn't underestimate Buncey's intelligence. Granted not as sharp as Boris, but he is no fool by any stretch. Yes he goes OTT, but I see that in a humourous manner. As I said, I don't take him seriously or his opinions.

He makes me laugh and he helped a friend out. To me that's enough.

captain carrantuohil wrote:He certainly shares Boris's ambition and chutzpah. All that's lacking is an intellect that even vaguely matches that of the shaggy-haired one.

I like the idea of Bunce spouting Latin tags, though. He could start with "Percunctatorem fugito nam garrulus idem est..."

The works of Joseph Addison ?

azania wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

azania wrote:

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

azania wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:I doubt that matters too much to Buncey, Alma. Wouldn't surprise me if he blurts out that the Eubank who tore through Dan Sherry and Henry Wharton would have boxed rings around a peak Roy Jones Jr next time 'Simply the Best' appears on his studio sofa.

Come on.

Have you known a retired and popular boxer being interviewed and then told they would get their rear end handed to them if they fought the best out there?

If so, I'd like to know who that was and who the interviwewer was.

Hang on a minute... you are agreeing with Buncey going along with the crowd? Doesnt that make him an idiot. What does that make a wo/man who like an idiot? An even bigger idiot?

Have things cleared up for you know. I hope so but judging by this post it appears that your level of understanding is still somewhat muddled.

Bunce doesn't need to be that honest. But he feeds us utter rubbish about fights. He has no integrity left. Just says whatever his paymsters want. Guess some people are happy to be treated like a fool

Keep a lid on your emotions sean. No need to go OTT to make your point. I can see you don't like him. I find him amusing and good banter. Kind of like Boris Johnson.

You're right. I shouldn't get worked up.

All is well.



I do find your cross examination infuriating at times, but I will keep it calm bra.

I find him amusing and good banter. Kind of like Boris Johnson.

Yeah, Boris was full of great banter when writing that Spectator article about how Liverpudlians revelled in the misery of victimhood in relation to Hillsborough and were shamefully laying the blame at the feet of the police and the Sun.

azania wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Bunce claimed Haye vs the guy who had been beaten 3 times in a row (now 4) was an evenly matched Mega Fight........and he was serious

Well it was a big fight (50k people turned out to watch it) and many people here picked Del to win.

Big in what way? Big titles on the line?

The only thing big about it was the fact it was held in a footie stadium. Your perception of "Mega Fight" seems outrageous Az!!

A mega fight is normally between two top level fighters (Floyd/De la Hoya etc). How the hell do you agree that Chisora fits into a mega fight?????? You are just trying to be stupid again.

Canelo Alvarez had over 40 million people watch his fight against Gomez............was that a mega fight too???

Please go to that cycling thread others have mentioned, do yourself a favour

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

azania wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Bunce claimed Haye vs the guy who had been beaten 3 times in a row (now 4) was an evenly matched Mega Fight........and he was serious

Well it was a big fight (50k people turned out to watch it) and many people here picked Del to win.

Big in what way? Big titles on the line?

The only thing big about it was the fact it was held in a footie stadium. Your perception of "Mega Fight" seems outrageous Az!!

A mega fight is normally between two top level fighters (Floyd/De la Hoya etc). How the hell do you agree that Chisora fits into a mega fight?????? You are just trying to be stupid again.

Canelo Alvarez had over 40 million people watch his fight against Gomez............was that a mega fight too???

Please go to that cycling thread others have mentioned, do yourself a favour

You can't tell me it wasn't a big domestic fight. (I haven't once described it as a mega fight so kindly dont attribute that to me). They are heavyweights and therefore the glamour division. They had a real grudge. They had that scuffle which got tongues wagging and people twittering away and tutting in false anger.

That fight was the biggest fight involving one let alone 2 british guys since haye fought Wlad. It got more interest than that fight and far more column inches. It was the biggest domestic HW fight since Bruno/Lewis and probably one of the biggest donestic fights for a generation. Well it was the most hyped fight for many years.

I think it was the biggest fight for non boxing officionados this year. Bigger to the British public than Froch Bute. I think that's what he meant.

Correct sean. I wonder if Joe Public knows who Canelo is. Joe Public know Haye and Chisora for sure.

And accusing people of being stupid when you are the one who fails to grasp and understand what he said makes you what?

azania wrote:Correct sean. I wonder if Joe Public knows who Canelo is. Joe Public know Haye and Chisora for sure.

And accusing people of being stupid when you are the one who fails to grasp and understand what he said makes you what?

I'm only being impartial as I want to be a mod.

seanmichaels wrote:

azania wrote:Correct sean. I wonder if Joe Public knows who Canelo is. Joe Public know Haye and Chisora for sure.

And accusing people of being stupid when you are the one who fails to grasp and understand what he said makes you what?

I'm only being impartial as I want to be a mod.

Not a good stance then.

azania wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:

azania wrote:Correct sean. I wonder if Joe Public knows who Canelo is. Joe Public know Haye and Chisora for sure.

And accusing people of being stupid when you are the one who fails to grasp and understand what he said makes you what?

I'm only being impartial as I want to be a mod.

Not a good stance then.

There needs to be an emoticon of a snooker player politely tapping the table.

But I think using the term "Mega Fight" is what was ridiculous. It was a comedy show.

People who I spoke too who don't follow boxing laughed when they spoke about it because their was an feeling that the whole thing was a joke, which it was.

SO he hyped it. Big deal. If you can get over the fact that TV pundit hyping a fight is not a rarity I'm sure you will be ok.

People I spoke to were looking forward to it. I was, with stream address a click away (never giving Frank Warren any of my money).