Music Cup Round 7 - Hip Hop

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Once again the lead has changed hands with me back in front (woo hoo!)

This round is a mixture of some old school classics and modern. I give to you...Hip Hop!

2Pac - Dear MaMa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcloTmvTeA
Eminem - My name is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPnbI1arSE
Grandmaster Flash - The Message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY
Jurassic 5 - Concrete Schoolyard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZmQIGLNxBs
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFK6H_CcuX8
Jay Z - 99 Problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoM5fLITfk
Sugar Hill Gang - Rappers Delight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiL9bqvalo
2Pac & Dr Dre - California Love https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37wSwAJ98Zk
Jay Z ft. Alicia Keys - Empire State of Mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8
2Pac - Changes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Y9-JlSRXw

As usual please pick your 3 favourite choices!

Davie wrote:I'm shocked this round has probably generated more comments than any other round so far.

If only it were real music

Can't get 2pac on your gramophone?

King Beer wrote:

Davie wrote:I'm shocked this round has probably generated more comments than any other round so far.

If only it were real music

Can't get 2pac on your gramophone?

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I cant believe how close it is. I cant see a clear winner yet.

People are seeing sense!

fernando wrote:

King Beer wrote:

Davie wrote:I'm shocked this round has probably generated more comments than any other round so far.

If only it were real music

Can't get 2pac on your gramophone?

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1-0 kb? Quite the contrary I would think. All I've really heard here so far is all about the words - what about the music? How many of these artists are actually musicians?

2-1 davie

missed the 1st pot shot

Ive heard a few of these song on the wireless.

Davie wrote:

fernando wrote:

King Beer wrote:

Davie wrote:I'm shocked this round has probably generated more comments than any other round so far.

If only it were real music

Can't get 2pac on your gramophone?

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1-0 kb? Quite the contrary I would think. All I've really heard here so far is all about the words - what about the music? How many of these artists are actually musicians?

Ok, ok, calm down.

This round isn't about music, it's hip hop. It's about artistic expression, using four key elements, Rapping, DJing, Beatboxing and Sampling. Being able to put your own spin on an old song, or creating new classics from your own ideas. Plenty of classic hip hop songs are born out of old songs.

Eminem's Like Toy Soldiers was a classic song and it sampled 80's pop icon Martika. 2Pac got to number 1 sampling The Way it Is by Bruce Hornsby and Indian Summer by Elton John on Ghetto Gospel. Jay Z had a hit sampling Annie!

King Beer wrote: Jay Z had a hit sampling Annie!

I detest that song with a vengance

Y I Man wrote:

King Beer wrote: Jay Z had a hit sampling Annie!

I detest that song with a vengance

So do i! The point is though he took a classic and put a hip-hop twist on it. That is what 'music' is about and specifically this genre. Not everything is about harpsichords and xylophones, Davie!

dont forget the glockenspiel !

I reckon Dear Mama will become a dark horse

you forgot the lute

But honestly - when you start by saying "this round isn't about music", then why is it called the Music Cup? There isn't a single musician amongst them and all they are doing is putting "poetry" over something else they've stolen.

Want to praise them for their lyrical prowess? Call it poetry then. they don't play instruments, they steal a tune from someone else and just sample it and they don't even sing! all they do is talk over it.

Music? I don't think so

jethro tull > Jay Z

this round is the biggest load of guff so far!

I really want a song from the year you were born round.

davie can have 'white cliffs of dover'

i called for a 70s disco fever round, but the motion was denied!

Wouldn't Marlene Dietrich be more Davie's era??

Mozart is more my era!

I just had a look at the songs from my year of birth:
http://www.severing.nu/music/1973UK.html

How could I choose from that - there is about 15 songs that are all awesome! And no JayZ or Tupac in sight!

Davie wrote:you forgot the lute

But honestly - when you start by saying "this round isn't about music", then why is it called the Music Cup? There isn't a single musician amongst them and all they are doing is putting "poetry" over something else they've stolen.

Want to praise them for their lyrical prowess? Call it poetry then. they don't play instruments, they steal a tune from someone else and just sample it and they don't even sing! all they do is talk over it.

Music? I don't think so

Well it is still music just generally the aforementioned artists have not actually made it, they have done a production. Alica Keys actually is a pianist & she can sing unlike a lot of the manufactured 'singers' in the top 40. There are some live hip hop groups out there The Roots & The Goats spring to mind, also I think Black Twang has used musicians on some of his tracks.

I think its complete and utter snobbery to criticise artists who don't write their own music. It doesn't matter one bit. Someone could be the most talented singer in the world, but not be able to write a song for toffee - should their talent not be heard?

As for the argument that hip hop artists aren't musicians - that's poppycock. Of course they are. One thing they most certainly are not - is poets. No musician is a poet. Not Dylan, not Morrissey, not Eminem. Music is not poetry. If it is, its poetry for the idiotic and the illiterate.

I really wanted to embed this image - but don't want to break the rules

I'll just leave the link here (yes it is work safe)

https://i.servimg.com/u/f24/16/24/38/25/20512610.jpg

Although I agree that this music cup sucks (or the people voting suck) I would also agree with Demon - taking other music and doing something else is musical genius.

For example Procul Harems a"A whiter Shade of Pake" riffs on Bach!

And as for choosing your favourite from the list Miky - how can you choose your favourite if you havent listened to all of them? You are picking the ones you know not your facourite.

Hobo wrote:Although I agree that this music cup sucks (or the people voting suck) I would also agree with Demon - taking other music and doing something else is musical genius.

For example Procul Harems a"A whiter Shade of Pake" riffs on Bach!

And as for choosing your favourite from the list Miky - how can you choose your favourite if you havent listened to all of them? You are picking the ones you know not your facourite.

Facourite?

King Beer wrote:

Hobo wrote:Although I agree that this music cup sucks (or the people voting suck) I would also agree with Demon - taking other music and doing something else is musical genius.

For example Procul Harems a"A whiter Shade of Pake" riffs on Bach!

And as for choosing your favourite from the list Miky - how can you choose your favourite if you havent listened to all of them? You are picking the ones you know not your facourite.

Facourite?

Pake?

David Tails wrote:

King Beer wrote:

Hobo wrote:Although I agree that this music cup sucks (or the people voting suck) I would also agree with Demon - taking other music and doing something else is musical genius.

For example Procul Harems a"A whiter Shade of Pake" riffs on Bach!

And as for choosing your favourite from the list Miky - how can you choose your favourite if you havent listened to all of them? You are picking the ones you know not your facourite.

Facourite?

Pake?

balls to the lot of you.

Hobo wrote:

David Tails wrote:

King Beer wrote:

Hobo wrote:Although I agree that this music cup sucks (or the people voting suck) I would also agree with Demon - taking other music and doing something else is musical genius.

For example Procul Harems a"A whiter Shade of Pake" riffs on Bach!

And as for choosing your favourite from the list Miky - how can you choose your favourite if you havent listened to all of them? You are picking the ones you know not your facourite.

Facourite?

Pake?

balls to the lot of you.

*Balls.

It's also, 'haven't'.

BTW - I wholeheartedly agree with Hobo, that the people who are voting suck. And I'm still confused over what we are supposed to be nominating - our favourite, or the the one we think will secure the most votes. I've been nominating my favourite.

(Which is probably why I'm second bottom!)

Yeah, it seems that this is a competition of what people know rather than what people like. How 2pac isn't running away with this I will never know. That Jay-Z song is some of his poorer work.

I've been nominating what i consider to be my favourite, or most popular song.

Coolio but no Nas

And the worst Eminem song.

Scottrf wrote:Coolio but no Nas

And the worst Eminem song.

No NWA either.

Have to say disappointed with the selection

cant believe there is so much pac, but no biggie .

Not even any snoop

Wow. Where is Regulate by Warren G and Nate Dogg? Quite possibly my favourite Hip Hop tune of all time

What's the next round Hero?

Just so everyone is aware, I'm not at work this week (where my spreadsheets are) and a fair number of people will be off too so there will be a break this week from the cup and it will resume next Tuesday.

Oh and the next round will be...

Punk

I'm not accepting nominations yet but as of Tuesday next week so any sent in beforehand will not be accepted.

Next round will be an epic failure for me.

hip hop and punk two types of music i dislike

Punk .. woo woo!!!!

next topic/ round?

It's punk Hobo, but with a lot of people not about this week with the double bank holiday (and that my spreadsheet is at work) I'm starting it as of next Tuesday.

Back in the office now, huzzah!

Scores on the doors are...

Aberdeen Steve 2Pac - Dear MaMa 2
Asdral225 Eminem - My name is 5
Davie Grandmaster Flash - The Message 8
Electric Demon Jurassic 5 - Concrete Schoolyard 1
Fernando Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise 10
Hero Jay Z - 99 Problems 8
Hobo Sugar Hill Gang - Rappers Delight 3
King Beer 2Pac & Dr Dre - California Love 5
Legend Jay Z ft. Alicia Keys - Empire State of Mind 6
YI Man 2Pac - Changes 10

Total scores...

Hero Jay Z - 99 Problems 57
Legend Jay Z ft. Alicia Keys - Empire State of Mind 52
Aberdeen Steve 2Pac - Dear MaMa 47
Davie Grandmaster Flash - The Message 47
YI Man 2Pac - Changes 45
Fernando Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise 44
King Beer 2Pac & Dr Dre - California Love 43
Hobo Sugar Hill Gang - Rappers Delight 35
Asdral225 Eminem - My name is 30
Electric Demon Jurassic 5 - Concrete Schoolyard 29

Next round is Punk, if you pm'd me your choices over the past few days please resend them as of now.

I never thought I'd be more disappointed/disgusted in a set of voters as I was when this supposedly intelligent nation voted for Mr. TV, Nick Clegg and his manifesto of impossible to deliver promises, which resulted in the worst, most precariously assembled government in living memory.

However, the electorate balloted in this little game is doing a good job of matching that disgust.

Hero - I've sent you my vote winner. Don't bother putting a youtube link as I doubt anyone will listen to it.

Electric Demon wrote:I never thought I'd be more disappointed/disgusted in a set of voters as I was when this supposedly intelligent nation voted for Mr. TV, Nick Clegg and his manifesto of impossible to deliver promises, which resulted in the worst, most precariously assembled government in living memory.

However, the electorate balloted in this little game is doing a good job of matching that disgust.

Hero - I've sent you my vote winner. Don't bother putting a youtube link as I doubt anyone will listen to it.

I agree with the second part of your post - I actually like the coalition government though!

This round should be interesting as I cant think of any punk records released in the last 10 years (unless you count Busted!)

Electric Demon wrote:I never thought I'd be more disappointed/disgusted in a set of voters as I was when this supposedly intelligent nation voted for Mr. TV, Nick Clegg and his manifesto of impossible to deliver promises, which resulted in the worst, most precariously assembled government in living memory.

However, the electorate balloted in this little game is doing a good job of matching that disgust.

Hero - I've sent you my vote winner. Don't bother putting a youtube link as I doubt anyone will listen to it.

Agreed. It's pretty poor.

I'll listen to it, Demon. I'm a big fan of Punk music so may even know it.

I think the choices have been great! Bitter losers

Ha!

I think Punk will be interesting!

Mine is a punk song, but not from a punk band. And was released about 20 years ago.

I went with something that's 17 years old but by a famous band. But i was torn with something slightly older.

Mine’s a classic (if I manage to get it), it’s one like in the last round though which should do well but probably isn’t as well heard of as more modern songs (like how Sugar Hill Gangs came 2nd last but was IMO one the best)